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08-28-2014, 02:27 PM   #1066
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Winning over one previewer at a time. Today, it's photographyblog.
"this camera also boasts an innovative illumination interface system..."

- and with that I'm stepping out of the K-s1 chats and going outside. Ricoh.jp ship date is 9/19, USA mileage may vary

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QuoteOriginally posted by johnmflores Quote
I can totally see a millennial creative type–an ad agency creative director, a bespoke bike builder, a fashion blogger, etc… willing to pay more for the K-S1 over another boring black blob of a
I'm going with 'black sheep dSLR' myself let the marketers use That one!!
ok i'm outta here, again

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QuoteOriginally posted by johnmflores Quote
Designer clothes are expensive too but some people are willing to pay for them. I don't think this camera is targeted at those that think a new pair of Levi 501s are all a person ever needs. There are other cameras for such practicality, and some of them are Pentaxes.
The K-S1 seems disjointed. It has a dedicated video function new to Pentax and much closer tot he video-centric competition. It also has dual mics for input. Yet it doesn't have an articulating rear LCD which is extremely useful for video.

Both practical AND aesthetic seem challenged here. Lots to like but also lots to dislike. not quite the Homer-car but an odd duckling that is certainly not in the premium class.

Pricing is atrocious.
08-28-2014, 03:09 PM   #1068
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QuoteOriginally posted by luftfluss Quote
......... then why isn't the K-S1 water-resistant?
So they can sell you a new one when it gets water on it.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Aristophanes Quote
The K-S1 seems disjointed. It has a dedicated video function new to Pentax and much closer tot he video-centric competition. It also has dual mics for input. Yet it doesn't have an articulating rear LCD which is extremely useful for video.

Both practical AND aesthetic seem challenged here. Lots to like but also lots to dislike. not quite the Homer-car but an odd duckling that is certainly not in the premium class.

Pricing is atrocious.
So... you'll take 2?
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Hi everybody,

I'm twenty, so I believe I'm vaguely in their target demographic (I bought a Kx when I was sixteen). My mom was trying to convince me that i needed something for my birthday, so why not a camera? It was available from QVC, as was a Fuji (the Canon and Nikon models were out of price range and had worse specs). I could tell you that I chose it because the lens selection was great, or that I got to try in-store and fell in love with the ergonomics, but that didn't happen.

- It was only slightly more expensive than the Fuji

- It had more megapixels than the Fuji (not a big deal in hindsight, but I didn't know better)

- The Kx takes AA batteries

- Most importantly, it came in colours

In my opinion, the new colours look terrible, Ricoh should aim for simple hues that look good with any lens and drop the companion coloured kit lenses. They aren't leveraging the AA filter simulation right. They should either be boasting how expensive AA filter-less cameras are normally, or they should scrap it and put in an articulating screen and wifi. The LEDs are targeting a group that is younger than their target demographic, and they should get rid of them or get really creative with them (x kind of blinking means someone commenting on the photo you uploaded to Facebook). It sounds silly, but a default 'I took this with my Pentax KS-1!' tagline would probably be wise.

Aiming for a lighter camera is good, but a DSLR is going to be big, so they shouldn't compromise anything to make a smaller camera. Manuals are important, but a quick-start guide (written by Bryan Peterson, perhaps?) would be great to have -either built into the camera or as a paper pamphlet- that helps someone get started with manual focusing and the priority modes (it comes with TAv mode after all): cameras will always get flak from amateurs for their auto mode failures, and the sooner you can teach the photographer how to navigate on their own, the fewer complaints there will be.

Pricing is important. It should be competitive (particularly if the person is willing to dig through multiple online retailers), but provide a comfortable margin for in-store retailers to push the product at venues like Target and Costco. Gve retail employees a hefty discount on the camera if they agree to do a few simple exercises using the quick-start guide, it's hard to recommend a product I haven't tried.

Sorry for the scattered thoughts, I should go have some coffee.

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QuoteOriginally posted by cali92rs Quote
Flip screen LCD, lenses that have IS/VR, 24 Mpix sensor, a proper handgrip. Prime MII processor isn't anything to write home about.
This versus the K-50 would be a no brainer.
You brought up the K-01 earlier. Same thing with that, it had OK features but nothing premium, yet it was charged a premium price. It only became a bargain once the prices began to plummet.
Those are adds - they make it more expensive. What do you take out and what do you replace it with?
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QuoteOriginally posted by monochrome Quote
Those are adds - they make it more expensive. What do you take out and what do you replace it with?
I think few would notice/care if the AA simulator were removed.

If the K-S1 is indeed intended to penetrate a new market, to gain mindshare for Pentax/Ricoh, then maximizing profits on a per-unit basis may not necessarily be the best way to go, long-term.

Based on that commercial, Ricoh/Pentax is marketing a piece of technology to a demographic that is accustomed to a touchscreen interface. For Ricoh/Pentax to not include one is pretty damn stupid, IMO.

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So they can sell you a new one when it gets water on it.
Or perhaps the owner will say, eff you, Pentax, I'm replacing it with something else.
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I think too many are complaining that either Pentax isn't releasing new stuff (and by that I mean not shoving the same sensor in a slightly different body) fast enough, then when it does they complain that it isn't what they wanted. Okay, I get that. You want a full frame, but look at it from this POV, is someone just getting into photography going to get a full frame? Nope, they are going to get something that is cheaper and stands out some, while giving better image quality than they are used to. This does that. Give it a few months for the price to settle down in the 500ish range and see if we don't have new people joining up here. When Pentax gets enough of a following then you're going to see more stuff you like or want.

Think about it, would Pentax rather sell 50 of these or one full frame? I bet if they had one that's the ratio they would be sold at, if not more. Now would you rather get some of these into the hands f the masses who will want to upgrade lenses and bodies later on? I sure would. Also, I wouldn't doubt that same sensor and setup will come in the next K-50 version, let's call it a K60.

Remember, if things like this anger you so much maybe you should grab your camera and a lens or two and get out there to figure out what got you using Pentax and enjoying photography in the first place.
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QuoteOriginally posted by luftfluss Quote
Based on that commercial, Ricoh/Pentax is marketing a piece of technology to a demographic that is accustomed to a touchscreen interface. For Ricoh/Pentax to not include one is pretty damn stupid, IMO.
Because I certainly want a camera that changes its settings when my nose hits the screen while I'm using the viewfinder.

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QuoteOriginally posted by luftfluss Quote
I think few would notice/care if the AA simulator were removed.

If the K-S1 is indeed intended to penetrate a new market, to gain mindshare for Pentax/Ricoh, then maximizing profits on a per-unit basis may not necessarily be the best way to go, long-term.

Based on that commercial, Ricoh/Pentax is marketing a piece of technology to a demographic that is accustomed to a touchscreen interface. For Ricoh/Pentax to not include one is pretty damn stupid, IMO.

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Or perhaps the owner will say, eff you, Pentax, I'm replacing it with something else.
Or perhaps they will say, I liked the camera shame it got damaged by water and buy a WR Pentax camera instead.

Or perhaps they will say, I liked the camera shame it got damaged by water and buy a WR something else instead.

Or perhaps they will say, I liked the camera shame it got damaged by water and buy a non sealed something else instead.

Or perhaps they will say, I liked the camera shame it got damaged by water and just use their smart phone.

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Because I certainly want a camera that changes its settings when my nose hits the screen while I'm using the viewfinder.

Exactly. Slap that puppy on AUTO and fire away.
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QuoteOriginally posted by boriscleto Quote
Because I certainly want a camera that changes its settings when my nose hits the screen while I'm using the viewfinder.
Right, because there's no way you can turn off a touchscreen interface if you elect not to use it...
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QuoteOriginally posted by JimmyDranox Quote
Remember this. DPR was never objective, and always, always tries to present Pentax as little, and as unfavorable as possible. The Pentax K-3 review was presented at more than 6 month after the camera hit the market, while other cameras reviews are presented in less than a month.
They gave it their gold award...
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Or perhaps they will say, I liked the camera shame it got damaged by water and buy a WR Pentax camera instead.

Or perhaps they will say, I liked the camera shame it got damaged by water and buy a WR something else instead.

Or perhaps they will say, I liked the camera shame it got damaged by water and buy a non sealed something else instead.

Or perhaps they will say, I liked the camera shame it got damaged by water and just use their smart phone.


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So... you're just throwing anything out there, instead of thinking logically about it? OK.
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I would seriously consider this camera when the price drops a bit. I really like the bright blue and also the orange color. I suspect this camera will sway some of the PF Critics when folks get their hands on it. I remember holding the K-01 for the first time... I loved it (but the pictures of the camera didn't make me love it). I think the majority of the controls being located on the back makes sense. Face it, you spend most of your time looking at the back of a DSLR because of the screen, so why not place the main controls there.

(Regarding the LED's: not a big deal, and folks, you can turn that feature off.)

Take a second look at the main article with the picture of the available colors. The black/grey/white spectrum well is covered, the brown tones covered, the bright blue and orange stand out and the denim blue and purple get lost. I would think a red or green hue would be nice and drop some of the grey/black.

Overall I think this is a nice camera. Coming from a K-x, the sensor in this camera would be a huge jump.

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QuoteOriginally posted by luftfluss Quote
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So... you're just throwing anything out there, instead of thinking logically about it? OK.

Well... Those are all logical conclusions. Not everyone is going to react in the same manner so it is impossible to say what the end result will be until we see what the end result will be. Besides, I think you're taking this forum a bit too seriously.
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if this camera is after first time users then why max out on spec e.g the viewfinder and metal build? Surely it'd be better to sacrifice that so as to bring the price down and make it compete properly in the entry level price bracket. Or do quite a few first timers go for the mid range camera instead?
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