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08-28-2014, 07:48 PM   #1096
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QuoteOriginally posted by johnmflores Quote
LOL, I gotta hand it to the folks that stomp their feet whenever Pentax creates something that's not a traditional black DSLR.

First a red K-x. STOMP!
Then an explosion of colors and special editions. STOMP!
Then a stupid toy Q. STOMP!
Then an abomination to everything sensible in the world (K-01). STOMP!
Then more colors. STOMP!
Then more Qs. STOMP!
And now this, the K-S1. STOMP!

Pentax is the least traditional of the three remaining DSLR brands and have proven that time and time again. Yet you stay, hoping that Pentax will eventually come to their senses and produce the full-frame DSLR of your dreams, instead of doing the sane thing and switching to a brand that could have met your full frame needs years ago. Now that's patience!
I sense the protests aren't centered on what Ricoh/Pentax have come out with but rather they spent precious time and resources on these activities instead of doing other things (lenses?).

08-28-2014, 08:09 PM   #1097
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QuoteOriginally posted by IchabodCrane Quote
I sense the protests aren't centered on what Ricoh/Pentax have come out with but rather they spent precious time and resources on these activities instead of doing other things (lenses?).
But isn't that the same argument? "They aren't doing what I want them to do.. so they are wrong."
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QuoteOriginally posted by IchabodCrane Quote
I sense the protests aren't centered on what Ricoh/Pentax have come out with but rather they spent precious time and resources on these activities instead of doing other things (lenses?).
Other things ... like, a full frame body?
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Other things ... like, a full frame body?
FF body with no viewfinder and no LCD panel. you get to see what you got when you load those photos onto your PC.

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QuoteOriginally posted by monochrome Quote
We don't want happy crappy plastic cameras - we already have a Canikon and Pentax will never going to beat them at their own game.
With tech hardly settling down what we DO want is plastic cameras that depreciate about the same rate as the tech becomes obsolete.

Because we KNOW we will be updating in any case. Or they will simply stop making that type of specialized battery. Shelf life in the digital age is totally different than in the mechanical camera age, regardless of brand. Even Leicaphiles are starting to get this.

Lenses are another issue, which is why the DA kit lens in the K-S1 photos makes for fugly marketing.
08-28-2014, 09:35 PM   #1101
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Lenses are another issue, which is why the DA kit lens in the K-S1 photos makes for fugly marketing.
A lot of the illustrations on Ricoh's own site show the camera with the DA50. I wonder if they considered using that as the kit at one stage. It looks a lot better. K-S1+DA50+DA35+(imaginary)DA24 would be an incredible idea as a kit.

Follow link and scroll down a bit to the explanation of the features.
K-S1 / ??????? / ?? | RICOH IMAGING
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QuoteOriginally posted by Aristophanes Quote
Lenses are another issue, which is why the DA kit lens in the K-S1 photos makes for fugly marketing.
Has anyone ever made a collapsible zoom in an interchangeable mount? There are some decent examples on non-interchangeable lens cameras like the RX100 series. I think it would be a great fit as a kit lens for the K-S1 if it could be done.
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a collapsible zoom in an interchangeable mount?
The Sony 16-50mm f/3.5-5.6 PZ OSS in E-mount springs to mind.
I think Panasonic also has one for M4/3 too.

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I certainly hope so - I have a pentamirror I must confess (pentax kr ) is the difference that noticeable?
Night and day. Really.
I seldom use my wife's K100D and if I can do without 2 wheels, the VF s always annoying to get used to.
Small and dark. Like first gens EVF
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Who will see LED lights during face detection mode if the photographer cover the grip by hand?

---------- Post added 08-28-2014 at 11:55 PM ----------

AA simulator and LED lights in rather questionable body are too less for new camera.

K-50 costs 447 USD for body. If it's upgrade of K-50, why it's weaker and too expensive.
If it's low-end camera, why it's too expensive?

Where is K-50's replacement?

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Who will see LED lights during face detection mode if the photographer cover the grip by hand?
I think the idea is that everyone's in front of the camera and it is set on a flat surface or a tripod. What puzzles me is that you'd probably be using the timer at that time, so is it showing the countdown or the number of faces detected? Perhaps if it's in face detection mode, the five lights show the number of faces and they all blink to indicate the timer is active.

About the collapsible zoom, there are several on the market, but mostly for mirrorless cameras. The 06 telephoto zoom for the Q is collapsible, by the way. The kit lens that comes with the Nikon D3300 is the only DSLR lens I am aware of.
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QuoteOriginally posted by JPT Quote
I think the idea is that everyone's in front of the camera and it is set on a flat surface or a tripod. What puzzles me is that you'd probably be using the timer at that time, so is it showing the countdown or the number of faces detected? Perhaps if it's in face detection mode, the five lights show the number of faces and they all blink to indicate the timer is active.
Where is logic?
LCD light shows either number of faces or timer work. Right?

If there are 4 people in front of camera , it shows 4 lights. If - one, it shows ONE. if six, one will be out of focus. ))

I don't see any sense in such feature. Is it for Papuan tribal people?
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QuoteOriginally posted by monochrome Quote
So maybe the idea is to intentionally not be a cellphone interface.But then this entire Forum would complain it doesn't have Pentax DNA. We don't want happy crappy plastic cameras - we already have a Canikon and Pentax will never going to beat them at their own game. We need to be different, better, the value isn't in the price it is in the premium features at a good price for better features.
But that's the trick - first, complain that it isn't just like Canon, Fuji, whatever. Then, if by any chance Pentax would launch a "just like" product, complain that it's copying Canon, Fuji, whatever and it lost the "Pentax DNA".
The product doesn't matter. LEDs doesn't matter. Design doesn't matter. It's all about complaining. And, yeah, those priceless "I'm jumping ship because of this" posts when the person saying it didn't had any intention of buying in the first place.

So now we're complaining about a design which actually looks fine (ignoring the grip LEDs), IMHO it's miles away from the plastic blob Canons. We're complaining about having the best APS-C viewfinder. We're disappointed that it doesn't write "Ricoh" on the back of the camera, to complain about that, too.
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Has anyone ever made a collapsible zoom in an interchangeable mount? There are some decent examples on non-interchangeable lens cameras like the RX100 series. I think it would be a great fit as a kit lens for the K-S1 if it could be done.
They abound in the mirrorless world. Nikon 1, Samsung, the others mentioned.

I would be all for a collapsible kit lens, if possible. Use in-camera distortion correction for jpegs. The fact that no one beyond Nikon (correct me if I'm wrong) has one for DSLRs tells me that it's either technically difficult or just not worth pursuing in a no-frills lens. The Nikon, btw, shaves a little over a centimeter in length. So, noticeable but not dramatic.
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