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08-29-2014, 01:04 AM   #1111
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Where is logic?
LCD light shows either number of faces or timer work. Right?

If there are 4 people in front of camera , it shows 4 lights. If - one, it shows ONE. if six, one will be out of focus. ))

I don't see any sense in such feature. Is it for Papuan tribal people?
Well, if you use the camera with an ounce of logic (using those LEDs) it would be like this:
* you don't look at the screen from the back because the LEDs would be useless, but somehow I think LEDs on the back would have been stupid since theres a screen. Right?
* you use the camera to make a selfie or something approaching which means: wide angle, CDAF with face recognition and to help you frame, the LEDs (up to 5... I think there are 5 LEDs) will let you know how many faces there are.
* Which means you can correct the framing even thouth there's no articulated screen.

Or like this:
* you put the cam on tripod for a group shot, set up the timer, get with the others (of course you already checked the framing, huh..)
* you can see the LEDS counting to 5 before the shutter is fired and this is actually far more precise than the single red LED accelerating but you never know if it has stopped accelerating or not.

This is not hard to understand, is it ? Nope.
Is that necessary for any of us? Nope.
It can be disabled? Yes.
Should we bitch about it even though none of us will buy this cam? No.
Should we be happy because Ricoh tries to get its user base larger? Yes.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Lage Quote
PENTAX K-S1 Movie_jp - YouTube
Anyone here who speaks japanese and can translate?
This was posted earlier in the thread, there's an English version.
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No need, there was an english version too...
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QuoteOriginally posted by chaza01 Quote
They gave it their gold award...
In time you will see, if you will follow their activity, as I did.

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QuoteOriginally posted by ogl Quote

No very important things for new users:
1. Wi-Fi
2. Touch screen
3. Tilted LCD
4. Weather sealing
5. New DC motor kit.
Good. I don't want any of these things. In fact I don't want live view either, but I suppose these days you can't avoid it. Having the mode selector on the back is a good move, since for the most part one will set it and forget it. In fact that need not even be a dial that you rotate by hand, you could have a row of LEDs to indicate the modes and cycle through them using a button.

That this camera appears to be irritating a number of foolish posters here can only be a good thing.
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QuoteOriginally posted by ogl Quote
Who will see LED lights during face detection mode if the photographer cover the grip by hand?

---------- Post added 08-28-2014 at 11:55 PM ----------

AA simulator and LED lights in rather questionable body are too less for new camera.

K-50 costs 447 USD for body. If it's upgrade of K-50, why it's weaker and too expensive.
If it's low-end camera, why it's too expensive?

Where is K-50's replacement?

CP+ in februari?
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That's a pretty nice video, regardless.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Clothears Quote
That this camera appears to be irritating a number of foolish posters here can only be a good thing.
I dunno if it is good but it certainly works like hell

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But isn't that the same argument? "They aren't doing what I want them to do.. so they are wrong."
More accurately, they haven't been doing what many have been asking them to do for a long time and I'm not even throwing the FF issue into the pot. But more important, people have been asking them to do things that they feel is necessary for the future of the brand regardless of whether they want a specific product or not. For example, I don't need a motorized FA 77 but I sure think it's a good idea for Ricoh to make one.
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More accurately, they haven't been doing what many have been asking them to do for a long time and I'm not even throwing the FF issue into the pot. But more important, people have been asking them to do things that they feel is necessary for the future of the brand regardless of whether they want a specific product or not. For example, I don't need a motorized FA 77 but I sure think it's a good idea for Ricoh to make one.
They won't do that right now.
If they do, everybody will yell 'FF is coming'.
If they mod them to make DAs, everybody will yell 'treason'.
If they update with HD coatings, everybody will laugh.

IF (big if I know) Ricoh intends to go FF, they would not touch the FA Limited until announcement.
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QuoteOriginally posted by IchabodCrane Quote
More accurately, they haven't been doing what many have been asking them to do for a long time and I'm not even throwing the FF issue into the pot. But more important, people have been asking them to do things that they feel is necessary for the future of the brand regardless of whether they want a specific product or not. For example, I don't need a motorized FA 77 but I sure think it's a good idea for Ricoh to make one.

They seem to be handling themselves pretty well.. why would a corporation do what a small band of end users say on a forum on the internet? Not that they are perfect in their decision making, but I suspect they have a better handle on the market than we do due to more research plus an inside knowledge of what financially and technically their company can manage at any given time. I think they should run their company the way they see fit and we should just see what we get or respond by finding a different system. On those surveys they send, that is where it is most important let our 'voices' be heard - but I would doubt they come here and scour the threads to gauge interest. So I don't see the purpose to constantly bellyache on the forums that Pentax isn't doing what I think they should be doing so they are doomed. The world (including Pentax) doesn't revolve around us, but from a select few posters here at PF it might be hard to see otherwise.
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QuoteOriginally posted by mee Quote
They seem to be handling themselves pretty well.. why would a corporation do what a small band of end users say on a forum on the internet? Not that they are perfect in their decision making, but I suspect they have a better handle on the market than we do due to more research plus an inside knowledge of what financially and technically their company can manage at any given time. I think they should run their company the way they see fit and we should just see what we get or respond by finding a different system. On those surveys they send, that is where it is most important let our 'voices' be heard - but I would doubt they come here and scour the threads to gauge interest. So I don't see the purpose to constantly bellyache on the forums that Pentax isn't doing what I think they should be doing so they are doomed. The world (including Pentax) doesn't revolve around us, but from a select few posters here at PF it might be hard to see otherwise.
+1. Also, there is the conceit that WE are Pentax' primary market (he said, in English, when very few of us are in Japan, and I believe the last numbers indicated most of Pentax sales are domestic), or that our priorities are the same (or that ours take precedence). That the K-500 wasn't sold in Japan really underlined the differences in priorities - we want plain black cameras at the lowest price possible (even if it means stripping features), while the Japanese market is willing to pay more for features and colors. That wasn't just some random decision. We dismiss cute and colorful, but in Japan, cute and colorful sells.

Sure, if Pentax wants to grow outside of Japan, they are going to have to take our tastes and desires into account, but at this point, they have to play to the home market.
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QuoteOriginally posted by mee Quote
They seem to be handling themselves pretty well.. why would a corporation do what a small band of end users say on a forum on the internet? Not that they are perfect in their decision making, but I suspect they have a better handle on the market than we do due to more research plus an inside knowledge of what financially and technically their company can manage at any given time. I think they should run their company the way they see fit and we should just see what we get or respond by finding a different system. On those surveys they send, that is where it is most important let our 'voices' be heard - but I would doubt they come here and scour the threads to gauge interest. So I don't see the purpose to constantly bellyache on the forums that Pentax isn't doing what I think they should be doing so they are doomed. The world (including Pentax) doesn't revolve around us, but from a select few posters here at PF it might be hard to see otherwise.
Actually, to some extent their world does revolve around us as we're the ones who have spent all this money on their products. Who out there has a better handle on what they should be selling? And let's face it, if they were doing such a good job running the various facets of their camera business they wouldn't have a market share under 5%.
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Let me try to explain this in a simpler manner...

According to the ad, promotional materials, and general styling of the K-S1, it's targeting a different market segment than any of its predecessors. Is this bad? No. Has it been poorly done? Hell yes! The exterior of the camera is very unique, and could certainly prove very attractive for "non-photographers" (as arrogant an expression as there ever was >_<). But the spec list is targeted at your usual Pentaxian, with interesting if somewhat limited features.

See the problem now? I don't think that us detractors are displeased at not having the products that WE demand, but rather that the K-S1 is a bad implementation of a great concept. If you really want to broaden your market share with innovative solutions, you can't make it half-assed and stop at the exterior. In that sense, both the Q and the K-01 were far more consistent.
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Just need adding sweevel+touch screen... to be coherent.
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