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08-29-2014, 06:38 AM   #1126
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The problem is not K-S1.
The problem is the direction of developing of new cameras by Ricoh.

If we fix our eyes on K-1S's specs, we understand that it's 95%'s K-30 in new body. 2.5 years old machine.
With the exception of sensor. Some things are weaker. Some the same. Remove second control wheel, WR and put weaker flash.
Made rather uncomfortable grip. Strange control.

The main idea of press-release is NEW DESIGN of body. And nothing else. It's strange for me.


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QuoteOriginally posted by IchabodCrane Quote
Actually, to some extent their world does revolve around us as we're the ones who have spent all this money on their products. Who out there has a better handle on what they should be selling? And let's face it, if they were doing such a good job running the various facets of their camera business they wouldn't have a market share under 5%.
Spoken like a true globalist.
08-29-2014, 06:42 AM   #1128
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QuoteOriginally posted by Kharan Quote
Let me try to explain this in a simpler manner...

According to the ad, promotional materials, and general styling of the K-S1, it's targeting a different market segment than any of its predecessors. Is this bad? .
Where did you find it? K-S1 will change K-50 very soon IMO.
Press-release says other things...

PENTAX - K-S1 Black
The PENTAX K-S1: a new innovative digital SLR camera, available in 12 fashionable colour variations - RICOH IMAGING UK LTD.

Experience photography in a new light with the PENTAX K-S1. Whether you’re new to photography or a skilled enthusiast, the K-S1 offers you the ability to take your imaging to the next level.


Featuring outstanding imaging performance, progressive design and an innovative illuminated body, the K-S1 rivals even high-end models.


No any NEXT LEVEL. Can't rival high-end models.

It's empty words for advertising and nothing else. Alas!
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I'd say that in addition to a higher res sensor, the AA simulator, new image processor, and most importantly, its significantly smaller size are all pretty major changes. Maybe they are not the ones you want, but saying it is 95% K30 is rather disingenuous. By your criteria, the K3 is arguably 95% K30, too.

QuoteOriginally posted by ogl Quote
The problem is not K-S1.
The problem is the direction of developing of new cameras by Ricoh.

If we fix our eyes on K-1S's specs, we understand that it's 95%'s K-30 in new body. 2.5 years old machine.
With the exception of sensor. Some things are weaker. Some the same. Remove second control wheel. WR and put weaker flash.
Made rather uncomfortable grip. Strange control.

The main idea of press-release is NEW DESIGN of body. And nothing else. It's strange for me.


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QuoteOriginally posted by ogl Quote
If we fix our eyes on K-1S's specs, we understand that it's 95%'s K-30 in new body. 2.5 years old machine.
With the exception of sensor. Some things are weaker. Some the same. Remove second control wheel. WR and put weaker flash.
Made rather uncomfortable grip. Strange control.

The main idea of press-release is NEW DESIGN of body. And nothing else. It's strange for me.
So they have a low engineering cost extension of understood and proven technology wrapped in a jazzy appealing body that's probably easy to assemble - a low cost product. It will be a snap to ship by the boatload to the home market, which is expanding rapidly and like snazzy designs and pretty, blingy toys. If they ship 300,000 over the planned production run and make x$ profit per unit that's a quick 300,000 * x.

I don't think they really care about us on this one and we shouldn't bother complaining about it. We got our K-3 and 645Z - Q-S1 and K-S1 are for someone else.
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QuoteOriginally posted by ogl Quote
Can't rival high-end models.
Not too long ago, the optional sensor-shake AA filtration in the K-3 was being hailed by all as a high-end feature!
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Price watch

Looking at some prices of one of the bigger shop in The Netherlands:

Prijzen op Urk:
  • K-S1 with 18-55DAL: 699 euro
  • K-30 with 18-55WR: 569 euro
  • K-50 with 18-55WR: 499 euro
  • K-500 with 18-55DAL: 399 euro
  • K-5II with 18-55WR: 788 euro
  • K-3 with 18-55WR: 1049 euro


I say not a chance with these prices. There are other brands with nice camera's under 499 to.
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QuoteOriginally posted by dcshooter Quote
I'd say that in addition to a higher res sensor, the AA simulator, new image processor, and most importantly, its significantly smaller size are all pretty major changes. Maybe they are not the ones you want, but saying it is 95% K30 is rather disingenuous. By your criteria, the K3 is arguably 95% K30, too.
All Pentax DSLRs are just rehashes of the original Asahiflex!

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Well it is a 20MP sensor over the 16MP K-30 but I don't think that will be a huge difference. I have a K-30 and love it, and I don't think that there are any of the other manufacturers in this level of camera is better than the K-30, but the K-S1 is not trying to be the K-30; nor it shouldn't. To me, the K-S1 is an entry level camera with very advance features but still, more in line with an entry level model. That is ok because the target market is more in line with the video of the 20 something group of users who will be interested. Weather sealing, they won't care. Dual dials, they won't care. Looks different then what their friends have ? Heck yeah. The style is to be cool....without acting nerdy....take great pics....but not some photography nerd. Pentax is getting it right. I would never trade my K-30 for any other camera, but I am not in the same target market that Pentax is trying to hit. Those of us who spend time on this forum as I do, are truly passionate about our photography, and the things you spoke about earlier matters to us. The group that are looking to buy this camera are not surfing all the time on Pentax Forum or DPR like we do, they are on Facebook or Twitter or Instogram, That is why a lot of people posting about how bad the K-S1 is because they are looking at it from their own perspective, not on from the perspective of other younger groups who will love it for what it is. When that group will go to a concert or a rave or to Coachella, they will think it is really cool to have the cam they have with them that has LED's on it. Totally cool man.


From the marketing perspective, I think Pentax is doing it right on this one.
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QuoteOriginally posted by dcshooter Quote
I'd say that in addition to a higher res sensor, the AA simulator, new image processor, and most importantly, its significantly smaller size are all pretty major changes. Maybe they are not the ones you want, but saying it is 95% K30 is rather disingenuous. By your criteria, the K3 is arguably 95% K30, too.
NO. K-3 is another level.

AA simulator - who cares about this useless invention? It's the most unclaimed feature.
We don't know how good it's second version of M processor, but JPEG samples are not better than K-30/K-50's JPEG pictures.
Smaller? Why do you think it's advantage? A lot of user don't like small cameras.

Have a look
Side by Side Comparison: Digital Photography Review

Don't forget - K-S1 has no second wheel, no WR, has weaker flash, no good grip and strange control. Smaller buffer. 5 RAW is the level of 2005.
And higher price than K-50.
And you can buy K-5II at lower price. Don't you?
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Some samples from the K-S1 have appeared on Ricoh Europe's page:

PENTAX K-S1 - RICOH IMAGING EUROPE S.A.S
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I don't care K-S1. It's not bad camera,

I don't like the direction of Ricoh's thoughts. All Pentax cameras look solid. ALL.
K-S1 looks....as glam rock's time...Lost in times.
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QuoteOriginally posted by WillWeaverRVA Quote
Some samples from the K-S1 have appeared on Ricoh Europe's page:

PENTAX K-S1 - RICOH IMAGING EUROPE S.A.S
Amusingly, the EU photos come from NYC. I wonder if the US photos will be from a EU city.
And goddamn, someone at Queensboro Plaza was shooting with the KS-1!? If only I had spotted that person.
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Amusingly, the EU photos come from NYC. I wonder if the US photos will be from a EU city.
And goddamn, someone at Queensboro Plaza was shooting with the KS-1!? If only I had spotted that person.
I know, the railfan in me was like, "holy crap, I've been there before and I've taken photos of subway trains too!"
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QuoteOriginally posted by ogl Quote
Smaller? Why do you think it's advantage? A lot of user don't like small cameras.
I agree with OGL here. Users that want a small/light camera typically don't go for DSLRs at all. For the kind of money a user has to fork out for the K-S1 there are a lot of smaller camera / lens combo's.
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