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08-29-2014, 01:46 PM   #1186
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I really want more info about the sensor. Bit depth, dynamic range? And just general impressions, some sensors have decent specs but were never liked very much. There are many more properties to a sensor than just MP

08-29-2014, 02:03 PM   #1187
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QuoteOriginally posted by RonHendriks1966 Quote
I think this is the big thing for now. All other goodies we seen rescent and then a K-mount lens.


But this K-S1 needs a new kitlens that is smaller and folds back when not in use!
Probably a new version called "18-55mm II SMC DA ED" will be available on the new K-S1.
In 2009 a similar version existed (so much better than the actual 18-55 DAL).
Need to be confirmed by the Pentax staff.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Na Horuk Quote
I really want more info about the sensor. Bit depth, dynamic range? And just general impressions, some sensors have decent specs but were never liked very much. There are many more properties to a sensor than just MP
When the Sony A3000 came out, people seem to like the image quality and the ISO peformance of the sensor. Of course I hope this is a newer version and that Pentax gets a bit more juice out of it, as they sometimes do.
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As far as I know, women don't like to stay in the rain for nothing, not even photography, so, no WR needed. Women has smaller hands than man, so they need a smaller grip. Women always want to be seen equal to men, so, why not handling a camera regarded as a pro, comparing to smartphones or compacts. Counting that Asia, even without Japan, is the biggest market today for DSLR, an is growing rapidly, all we are talking here is pointless, if we don't consider these facts.

So, don't waste your energy to justify individual preferences. Keep it for the next week, when the big BOOM, or booms (camera and lenses), will come.


Ha, ha, it's a joke. ... Or not.

08-29-2014, 02:21 PM   #1190
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QuoteOriginally posted by KX5 Quote
Probably a new version called "18-55mm II SMC DA ED" will be available on the new K-S1.
In 2009 a similar version existed (so much better than the actual 18-55 DAL).
Need to be confirmed by the Pentax staff.
The DA-L is a DA II / DA WR (optically) AFAIK.
08-29-2014, 02:21 PM   #1191
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QuoteOriginally posted by Na Horuk Quote
I really want more info about the sensor. Bit depth, dynamic range? And just general impressions, some sensors have decent specs but were never liked very much. There are many more properties to a sensor than just MP

If it has a 14-bit RAW I'd be surprised..
08-29-2014, 02:25 PM   #1192
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I have an A3000, and can confirm the image quality is the one thing to like about that otherwise pedestrian camera. You are right regarding Pentax's record of wringing the best performance out of Sony sensors, and I imagine the K-S1 will do even better, given the lack of AA filter.

QuoteOriginally posted by ChristianRock Quote
When the Sony A3000 came out, people seem to like the image quality and the ISO peformance of the sensor. Of course I hope this is a newer version and that Pentax gets a bit more juice out of it, as they sometimes do.


---------- Post added 08-29-14 at 02:26 PM ----------

According to the Ricoh spec page, it's 12 bit.

PENTAX K-S1 An standard-class digital SLR camera, featuring outstanding imaging performance rivaling that of high-end models, a progressive body design and innovative Body Illumination interface?RICOH IMAGING

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If it has a 14-bit RAW I'd be surprised..
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As of now, it has my stamp of approval (FWIW)
OK - I'm finished then.

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That's what I keep telling my wife.
Is your wife size-challenged in some way?
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QuoteOriginally posted by KX5 Quote
Probably a new version called "18-55mm II SMC DA ED" will be available on the new K-S1.
In 2009 a similar version existed (so much better than the actual 18-55 DAL).
Need to be confirmed by the Pentax staff.
The DA L and the DA II are optically identical. The difference is the II has quick shift, a metal mount, and came with a lens hood.
08-29-2014, 04:09 PM   #1196
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QuoteOriginally posted by JimC1101 Quote
Imagine if Pentax would have released the K-S1 as a FF and it was the camera we have all been waiting for for years...with the LED's et al. I think we would have been sitting in stunned silence right now. :P

Oh how I would have lauughhhheedddd...























..... and then criiieeeddddd.
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QuoteOriginally posted by JimC1101 Quote
Imagine if Pentax would have released the K-S1 as a FF and it was the camera we have all been waiting for for years...with the LED's et al. I think we would have been sitting in stunned silence right now. :P
I'll take one... (if it's entry level FF price)
08-29-2014, 05:32 PM   #1198
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I started a thread about this a while ago and was shouted down, but here goes again.

Pentax started out with APS-C and some very small bodies and lenses. They were touting the size advantage of APS-C. The *ist DS was just 505g. Most lenses are APS-C optimised and tend to be smaller than the competition. The whole Limited range of primes is part of this philosophy.

Then they added a lot of useful features like SR, weather sealing, an extra control dial, pentaprism viewfinder. Although it was there from the beginning, AA batteries take up more space and make the overall body bulkier. The result of this is that the cameras have got bigger and bigger until the K-50 which is fairly big and 650g. This was the smallest DSLR that Pentax was selling until the K-S1. I feel that Pentax had lost their size advantage and I can understand why some remained so fond of their K-x.

I think they've corrected this now. They've compromised on the batteries, WR and control dial. On the other hand they've retained the pentaprism, which is an interesting choice. And it clearly isn't aimed at beginners only.

Complaints about the price are really overdone. The price is only marginally more than the K-50 and it has clearly had a lot of R&D put into it. I also think it will be aimed at people who buy the limited lenses and if you are prepared that much money on lenses, you are probably prepared to pay a bit more to get a high-quality body.
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QuoteOriginally posted by KX5 Quote
Probably a new version called "18-55mm II SMC DA ED" will be available on the new K-S1.
In 2009 a similar version existed (so much better than the actual 18-55 DAL).
Need to be confirmed by the Pentax staff.
In what sense do you use the word "probably"? Just curious...
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QuoteOriginally posted by filoxophy Quote
In what sense do you use the word "probably"? Just curious...
Because the SMC Pentax-DA 18-55mm F3.5-5.6 AL II has been abandoned for many years and we don't know yet if the new 18-55mm II SMC DA ED will be the same opticaly (no cosmetic change with the actual DA-L version on k-s1 pictures).
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