Pentax K-S1!

ElJamoquio · 08-23-2014, 12:38 PM

I think FF sensors at $1k are still a couple of years away. Who knows, though, Sony is rumored to have a cheap FF coming...

RonHendriks1966 · 08-23-2014, 12:59 PM

Originally posted by banep

Maybe It's not actual in mainstream fashion anymore but I would like to see some camouflage textures: desert, jungle, urban camo ...

Have you seen the new Sony parfume bottle cam?

**WillWeaverRVA** · 08-23-2014, 01:19 PM

Originally posted by RonHendriks1966

Have you seen the new Sony parfume bottle cam?

If it wasn't designed to look like a perfume bottle, I'd be intrigued by that camera because it reminds me of some early-'00s compacts. Ah, such a simpler time, where the word "selfie" wasn't in the common vocabulary...

rawr · 08-23-2014, 02:12 PM

Originally posted by ElJamoquio

I think FF sensors at $1k are still a couple of years away.

Sony (in the Australian market) had the A7 selling for about $1000 recently (body only), with a promotional cashback, and a free Metabones adapter of your choice. It's not going to take long before about $1000 is the normal street price.

Roger Cicala's tear down of the A7R a while ago revealed "how much cheaper it must be to make this camera, than to make a DSLR". So $1000 FF mirrorless will probably be routine well before FF DSLR's get to that price level, if ever.

Unregistered User · 08-23-2014, 03:30 PM

Originally posted by Fontan

What I would like is something like this with a kick ass FF sensor at a very reasonable cost - something like $999. I would then gladly tolerate those goofy LEDs.

Your wish will come true in a few years. Just a hunch: Samsung will eventually be bringing full frame to the people. Even now the Sony a7 can be had for a mere 1000 Euros. So, the prices are already declining.

JimmyDranox · 08-23-2014, 03:50 PM

Can a FF camera be sold (not necessary be made) for a very low price? Yes.

Can a very cheap FF camera be a very good and versatile one? That's the question.

Doundounba · 08-23-2014, 04:00 PM

Originally posted by ruggiex

[...] the MILC claim of fastest focus speed in the world is overhyped. It is definitely getting way better than before but not there yet.

Did you watch the fine video I linked to before? They take an X-T1, a E-M1, an A6000, a GH4 and a D4S to a bike track. Their conclusion? The GH4 and A6000 are almost as good as any DSLR out there.

Personally, I'm not asking Pentax to match that necessarily, but when comes the time to get my next body, why should I buy a Pentax DSLR like the K-S1, that has possibly worse AF than an A6000 (also an APS-C body)? Wasn't fast AF supposed to be one of the main selling points of DSLRs? That's why I'd like the K-3 AF innovation to migrate downward ASAP, at least to the next midrange body (ie the K-50 successor). In my admittedly very limited experience, the K-3's AF is pretty good. Probably not as fast as other DSLRs, but it seems confident, decisive, and fairly quick. If Pentax doesn't migrate that tech down, what advantage is there for me in buying something like a K-S1 over, say, the (rumored new) Olympus E-PL7 or even an E-M10? Where does Pentax have an edge? Viewfinder? Price? More LEDs? I've been very happy with Pentax as a brand, and I have a stable of lenses that will eventually be looking for a new body - and maybe just that is enough to keep me around - but I'd like Pentax to be reasonably competitive, feature-wise, on a comparable price level...

Sandy Hancock · 08-23-2014, 04:21 PM

Mmmmm. Moon Silver coupled with my three silver primes (35, 43, 77)....

IchabodCrane · 08-23-2014, 04:52 PM

Originally posted by Doundounba

Did you watch the fine video I linked to before? They take an X-T1, a E-M1, an A6000, a GH4 and a D4S to a bike track. Their conclusion? The GH4 and A6000 are almost as good as any DSLR out there.

Personally, I'm not asking Pentax to match that necessarily, but when comes the time to get my next body, why should I buy a Pentax DSLR like the K-S1, that has possibly worse AF than an A6000 (also an APS-C body)? Wasn't fast AF supposed to be one of the main selling points of DSLRs? That's why I'd like the K-3 AF innovation to migrate downward ASAP, at least to the next midrange body (ie the K-50 successor). In my admittedly very limited experience, the K-3's AF is pretty good. Probably not as fast as other DSLRs, but it seems confident, decisive, and fairly quick. If Pentax doesn't migrate that tech down, what advantage is there for me in buying something like a K-S1 over, say, the (rumored new) Olympus E-PL7 or even an E-M10? Where does Pentax have an edge? Viewfinder? Price? More LEDs? I've been very happy with Pentax as a brand, and I have a stable of lenses that will eventually be looking for a new body - and maybe just that is enough to keep me around - but I'd like Pentax to be reasonably competitive, feature-wise, on a comparable price level...

I'll be convinced about MILC focus tracking when someone does a comparison test in relatively poor light. Perhaps not coincidentally, it seems most if not all of these glowing test results have been done under very good light.

Unregistered User · 08-23-2014, 05:16 PM

Originally posted by JimmyDranox

Can a FF camera be sold (not necessary be made) for a very low price? Yes.

Can a very cheap FF camera be a very good and versatile one? That's the question.

Just nail a full frame sensor into a plastic box and I will be fine.

Fogel70 · 08-23-2014, 05:53 PM

Originally posted by DominicVII

Just nail a full frame sensor into a plastic box and I will be fine.

B&H has cameras like that on stock for $4. If you need it weather sealed it cost twice as much.

**THoog** · 08-23-2014, 05:54 PM

Originally posted by mee

You forgot 'Full Frame' somewhere in there I think..

I thought "Full Frame" was a given, like "the sky is up", or "water is wet", or PentaxIsDoomed™.

Excuse me, I meant PentaxIsDoooooooooomed!!!!!!!™

totsmuyco · 08-23-2014, 10:27 PM

Though I wouldn't like to have one, it would be nice to see a full frame camera made by Pentax/Ricoh. This seems to be the trend.

However, I still like to see more affordable AW lenses for the APS-C system.

Uluru · 08-24-2014, 12:23 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Doundounba

.. Where does Pentax have an edge? Viewfinder? Price? More LEDs? I've been very happy with Pentax as a brand, and I have a stable of lenses that will eventually be looking for a new body - and maybe just that is enough to keep me around - but I'd like Pentax to be reasonably competitive, feature-wise, on a comparable price level...

Pentax is not competitive in any regard nowadays. If they had some edge, they wasted it in the last 4 years. Not their fault though. So they have worked hard to catch up with what they have lost.

So there is a reasonable precaution as to your own decision making; if you think Pentax is just about same as others now, then why you should not give Pentax an edge and consider it instead of D4S, or GH4? This all comes down not to product specs per se, but your understanding of what in the long and complicated chain of image making makes your heart tick at that moment in life. For example,

– are you so insecure that you need D4S's AF to take a shot? Or
– are you mesmerised how beautifully FA31 or DA70 Ltd captures light and micro-contrast?

For my own sake, you can take all your GH4s or D4Ss or Fujis or whatever else, for none of them has the lenses that are worth dying for. If the system has only 8 extraordinary lenses, that is the system to take a serious look at. In the history of photography there were a few of such systems, but today we have just, maybe, two. Pentax and Leica.

thibs · 08-24-2014, 01:29 AM

Oh, uluru is in a bad day, today.
Didn't sleep well.

Doom for the whole day. You're warned.

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08-23-2014, 12:38 PM	#601
ElJamoquio Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 4,873	I think FF sensors at $1k are still a couple of years away. Who knows, though, Sony is rumored to have a cheap FF coming...

08-23-2014, 12:59 PM	#602
RonHendriks1966 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,675	Originally posted by banep Maybe It's not actual in mainstream fashion anymore but I would like to see some camouflage textures: desert, jungle, urban camo ... Have you seen the new Sony parfume bottle cam?

08-23-2014, 01:19 PM	#603
WillWeaverRVA Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Richmond, VA Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,071	Originally posted by RonHendriks1966 Have you seen the new Sony parfume bottle cam? If it wasn't designed to look like a perfume bottle, I'd be intrigued by that camera because it reminds me of some early-'00s compacts. Ah, such a simpler time, where the word "selfie" wasn't in the common vocabulary...

08-23-2014, 02:12 PM	#604
rawr Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,913	Originally posted by ElJamoquio I think FF sensors at $1k are still a couple of years away. Sony (in the Australian market) had the A7 selling for about $1000 recently (body only), with a promotional cashback, and a free Metabones adapter of your choice. It's not going to take long before about $1000 is the normal street price. Roger Cicala's tear down of the A7R a while ago revealed "how much cheaper it must be to make this camera, than to make a DSLR". So $1000 FF mirrorless will probably be routine well before FF DSLR's get to that price level, if ever.

08-23-2014, 03:30 PM	#605
Unregistered User Guest	Originally posted by Fontan What I would like is something like this with a kick ass FF sensor at a very reasonable cost - something like $999. I would then gladly tolerate those goofy LEDs. Your wish will come true in a few years. Just a hunch: Samsung will eventually be bringing full frame to the people. Even now the Sony a7 can be had for a mere 1000 Euros. So, the prices are already declining.

08-23-2014, 03:50 PM	#606
JimmyDranox Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Ploiesti, Romania Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,632	Can a FF camera be sold (not necessary be made) for a very low price? Yes. Can a very cheap FF camera be a very good and versatile one? That's the question.

08-23-2014, 04:00 PM	#607
Doundounba Pentaxian Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Montréal QC Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,351	Originally posted by ruggiex [...] the MILC claim of fastest focus speed in the world is overhyped. It is definitely getting way better than before but not there yet. Did you watch the fine video I linked to before? They take an X-T1, a E-M1, an A6000, a GH4 and a D4S to a bike track. Their conclusion? The GH4 and A6000 are almost as good as any DSLR out there. Personally, I'm not asking Pentax to match that necessarily, but when comes the time to get my next body, why should I buy a Pentax DSLR like the K-S1, that has possibly worse AF than an A6000 (also an APS-C body)? Wasn't fast AF supposed to be one of the main selling points of DSLRs? That's why I'd like the K-3 AF innovation to migrate downward ASAP, at least to the next midrange body (ie the K-50 successor). In my admittedly very limited experience, the K-3's AF is pretty good. Probably not as fast as other DSLRs, but it seems confident, decisive, and fairly quick. If Pentax doesn't migrate that tech down, what advantage is there for me in buying something like a K-S1 over, say, the (rumored new) Olympus E-PL7 or even an E-M10? Where does Pentax have an edge? Viewfinder? Price? More LEDs? I've been very happy with Pentax as a brand, and I have a stable of lenses that will eventually be looking for a new body - and maybe just that is enough to keep me around - but I'd like Pentax to be reasonably competitive, feature-wise, on a comparable price level...

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Sandy Hancock Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Adelaide Hills, South Australia Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 11,272	Mmmmm. Moon Silver coupled with my three silver primes (35, 43, 77)....

08-23-2014, 04:52 PM	#609
IchabodCrane Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,728	Originally posted by Doundounba Did you watch the fine video I linked to before? They take an X-T1, a E-M1, an A6000, a GH4 and a D4S to a bike track. Their conclusion? The GH4 and A6000 are almost as good as any DSLR out there. Personally, I'm not asking Pentax to match that necessarily, but when comes the time to get my next body, why should I buy a Pentax DSLR like the K-S1, that has possibly worse AF than an A6000 (also an APS-C body)? Wasn't fast AF supposed to be one of the main selling points of DSLRs? That's why I'd like the K-3 AF innovation to migrate downward ASAP, at least to the next midrange body (ie the K-50 successor). In my admittedly very limited experience, the K-3's AF is pretty good. Probably not as fast as other DSLRs, but it seems confident, decisive, and fairly quick. If Pentax doesn't migrate that tech down, what advantage is there for me in buying something like a K-S1 over, say, the (rumored new) Olympus E-PL7 or even an E-M10? Where does Pentax have an edge? Viewfinder? Price? More LEDs? I've been very happy with Pentax as a brand, and I have a stable of lenses that will eventually be looking for a new body - and maybe just that is enough to keep me around - but I'd like Pentax to be reasonably competitive, feature-wise, on a comparable price level... I'll be convinced about MILC focus tracking when someone does a comparison test in relatively poor light. Perhaps not coincidentally, it seems most if not all of these glowing test results have been done under very good light.

08-23-2014, 05:16 PM	#610
Unregistered User Guest	Originally posted by JimmyDranox Can a FF camera be sold (not necessary be made) for a very low price? Yes. Can a very cheap FF camera be a very good and versatile one? That's the question. Just nail a full frame sensor into a plastic box and I will be fine.

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Fogel70 Pentaxian Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Stockholm, Sweden Photos: Albums Posts: 3,062	Originally posted by DominicVII Just nail a full frame sensor into a plastic box and I will be fine. B&H has cameras like that on stock for $4. If you need it weather sealed it cost twice as much.

08-23-2014, 05:54 PM	#612
THoog Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: North Carolina Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,685	Originally posted by mee You forgot 'Full Frame' somewhere in there I think.. I thought "Full Frame" was a given, like "the sky is up", or "water is wet", or PentaxIsDoomed™. Excuse me, I meant PentaxIsDoooooooooomed!!!!!!!™

08-23-2014, 10:27 PM	#613
totsmuyco Pentaxian Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Iloilo City Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,276	Though I wouldn't like to have one, it would be nice to see a full frame camera made by Pentax/Ricoh. This seems to be the trend. However, I still like to see more affordable AW lenses for the APS-C system.

08-24-2014, 12:23 AM - 1 Like	#614
Uluru Banned Join Date: May 2010 Location: Back to my Walkabout Creek Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,535	Originally posted by Doundounba .. Where does Pentax have an edge? Viewfinder? Price? More LEDs? I've been very happy with Pentax as a brand, and I have a stable of lenses that will eventually be looking for a new body - and maybe just that is enough to keep me around - but I'd like Pentax to be reasonably competitive, feature-wise, on a comparable price level... Pentax is not competitive in any regard nowadays. If they had some edge, they wasted it in the last 4 years. Not their fault though. So they have worked hard to catch up with what they have lost. So there is a reasonable precaution as to your own decision making; if you think Pentax is just about same as others now, then why you should not give Pentax an edge and consider it instead of D4S, or GH4? This all comes down not to product specs per se, but your understanding of what in the long and complicated chain of image making makes your heart tick at that moment in life. For example, – are you so insecure that you need D4S's AF to take a shot? Or – are you mesmerised how beautifully FA31 or DA70 Ltd captures light and micro-contrast? For my own sake, you can take all your GH4s or D4Ss or Fujis or whatever else, for none of them has the lenses that are worth dying for. If the system has only 8 extraordinary lenses, that is the system to take a serious look at. In the history of photography there were a few of such systems, but today we have just, maybe, two. Pentax and Leica.

08-24-2014, 01:29 AM	#615
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Oh, uluru is in a bad day, today. Didn't sleep well. Doom for the whole day. You're warned.