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09-15-2014, 02:12 PM - 2 Likes   #256
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QuoteOriginally posted by IchabodCrane Quote
Yes, telling someone to sell their Pentax gear and, by implication, go away from this forum is a personal attack of some sort.
It is more a good advice...

I mean if you are not happy at all with what you have and you are continuously disapointed by the new products a brand offer... Why insist? This a waste of your time to go with inferior products. And this is bad for your mood to complain all the time. Some studies even corelate this with one life expectancy!

I honestly think it is a better move for one to recognize he might have choosed the brand that doesn't match his expectations and switch than to keep complaining and use something one is apparently really disatifyed with !

In practice, I admit that many that keep complaining may just spend too much money for specs they might not really use or continue to complain even with the new brand, because they are more or less never happy. I know a few in real life: they tend to spend all their money to have the best and to be never happy. Of course for theses people the advice is to not switch. I would say stop complaining, but they probably can't !

I mean one has only one life... But of course everyone is free.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Mistral75 Quote
You forgot a few Fujinons .

Primes:
(16mm f/1.4) - 56mm f/1.2 APD - (90mm f/2)

Zoom lenses:
10-24mm f/4 - 16-50mm f/3.5-5.6 - (16-55mm f/2.8) - 50-140mm f/2.8 - 50-230mm f/4.5-6.7

(in brackets those who are announced but not available yet)
Yeah that why they really need the lenses in bracket ! Even through the 16mm f/1.4 look rather useless with their current line up, but this is like Pentax and the 5 lens arround 50mm and 5 lens arround 35mm I guess.

09-15-2014, 02:18 PM   #257
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QuoteOriginally posted by RonHendriks1966 Quote
Absolutely true. To all complainers: The Pentax system is still very complete. With K-3, K-5IIs, K-S1, K-50, K-500, flashes and a wide range of lenses you can do almost anything you want. If you have a small budget or 8 grand to spend.
You are correct ofcourse, and there is plenty to choose from. However it should pretty obvious to even Ricoh that fast high quality modern prime lenses are in demand, and that a lot of people dont give a lick that a lens is a bit bigger. I see fuji in the stores much more than pentax, despite the lack of lens selection because people want them. Pentax is has been suffering from paranoid schizophrenia over the last 10 years. I feel they were really onto something with the da* lenses, just needed a fast 30mm and 24mm and some faster (more reliable) focusing lenses. I remember rumors of these lenses coming out at some point but I think Hoya squashed that idea and has since virtually destoyed the company. Its time for Ricoh to put there money where there mouth is, and I think they will just not on our terms.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Nicolas06 Quote
Can you understand why Fuji has a big lens problem while Pentax has almost anything needed? They could continue just put HD coatings to all the lines and maybe create one DA24 f/2 as their only activity in lenses for the next 5 years that would still have a far better and more diverse lens offering than Fuji !
X-mount has been around for about 3 years...how long has the K-mount been around?
I think in those 3 years Fuji has done a pretty remarkable job. The only lenses they are really lacking at this point are long primes. And I am pretty sure people won't have to wait year after year after year for those to start appearing.
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I just took a look at some photos that I took yesterday with the K01 and the FA31, 43, and DA70. I feel better already. Highly recommended!

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I had a look at my father's Spotmatic II + SMC Takumar 55mm f/1.8 + SMC Takumar 135mm f/3.5.

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Et je pleure.
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QuoteOriginally posted by cali92rs Quote
X-mount has been around for about 3 years...how long has the K-mount been around?
I think in those 3 years Fuji has done a pretty remarkable job. The only lenses they are really lacking at this point are long primes. And I am pretty sure people won't have to wait year after year after year for those to start appearing.
I'am not especially against Fuji even through I some moment I was thinking to switch and did not because of the huge lack of lens offering and also because from the numeros examples I have seen of theses lens I tend to not really like their rendering (personnal taste).

But this doesn't invalidate the fact that Fuji is in urgent need to provide a better offering and so they are at work. Pentax has a pretty mature offering exactly as you explain. They should more replace some existing lenses to make them better (they already starded and the road map show more) and fill the few gaps like maybe one wide angle fast lens and 1 telezoom. The telezoom is on the roadmap.

I just think that the complains against pentax, in particular when comparing against Fuji is not justified. Pentax DSLR are better, cheaper (but the Fuji are smaller: that their only point). The lens offering is far more diverse and there much more possibilities in the affordable range, tele range, pro zoom range and primes range. That just how it is. Maybe in 5 years Fuji would have has many lenses as Pentax, but honestly I doubt it.

That like those contemplating Sony and their 5 Zeiss lens for A7 in native mount. That by far an even worse offering than Fuji. No fast zoom, 1 moderately fast prime and one f/2.8 prime and that's all.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Nicolas06 Quote
Let me check what Pentax has in primes:

DA14 f/2.8 DA15 f/4, DA21 f/3.2, FA31 f/1.8, DA35 f/2.4, DA35 f/2.8, FA35 f/2, DA40 f/2, FA43 f/1.9, DFA50 f/2.8, FA50 f/1.4, FA50 f/1.7, DA50 f/1.8, DA*55 f/1.4, DA70 f/2.4, FA77 f/1.8, DFA100 f/2.8, DA*200 f/2.8, DA*300 f/4, DA560 f/5.6

Let me check what Pentax has in zooms:
DA10-17 f/3.5-4.5, DA12-24 f/4, DA16-45 f/4, DA16-50 f/2.8, DA17-70 f/4, DA18-55 f/3.5-5.6, DA20-40 f/2.8-4, DA50-135 f/2.8, DA50-200, DA55-300 f/3.5-5.8, DA60-250 f/4

And there also the TC 1.4

Let's check Fuji primes:
14mm f/2.8, 18mm f/2, 23mm f/1.4, 27mm f/2.8, 35mm f/1.4, 56mm f/1.2, 60mm f/2.4
And Fuji zoom: 18-55 f/2.8-4, 18-135 f/3.5-5.6, 55-200 f/3.5-4.8

Can you understand why Fuji has a big lens problem while Pentax has almost anything needed? They could continue just put HD coatings to all the lines and maybe create one DA24 f/2 as their only activity in lenses for the next 5 years that would still have a far better and more diverse lens offering than Fuji !

DSLR ? Again 645Z, K-S1.
Fuji has seven zooms if I count correctly, not three. Maybe one hasn't been released yet, not sure.
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QuoteOriginally posted by aleonx3 Quote
Does that also mean a bunch Pentaxian's are leaving the brand? well then would it be better to wait when everyone is dumping their existing camera that Ricoh is forced to lower the price of new k-3? no?
https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/94-pentax-price-watch/273154-pentax-k-3-9...ml#post2942690

Adam's thread was less than two hours after @aleonx3's post.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Mistral75 Quote
I had a look at my father's Spotmatic II + SMC Takumar 55mm f/1.8 + SMC Takumar 135mm f/3.5.

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That reminds me of days when most people were happy with a camera and two lenses.
By that standard, all manufacturers today are faring beyond well.
09-15-2014, 11:50 PM   #265
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QuoteOriginally posted by DennisH Quote
Sell your gear (cheap) and go with a better company. Problem solved.
It's just discussion and I have no problem. Don't teach me, please, what I should do.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Nicolas06 Quote
Let me check what Pentax has in primes:

DA14 f/2.8 DA15 f/4, DA21 f/3.2, FA31 f/1.8, DA35 f/2.4, DA35 f/2.8, FA35 f/2, DA40 f/2, FA43 f/1.9, DFA50 f/2.8, FA50 f/1.4, FA50 f/1.7, DA50 f/1.8, DA*55 f/1.4, DA70 f/2.4, FA77 f/1.8, DFA100 f/2.8, DA*200 f/2.8, DA*300 f/4, DA560 f/5.6


Let's check Fuji primes:
14mm f/2.8, 18mm f/2, 23mm f/1.4, 27mm f/2.8, 35mm f/1.4, 56mm f/1.2, 60mm f/2.4
And Fuji zoom: 18-55 f/2.8-4, 18-135 f/3.5-5.6, 55-200 f/3.5-4.8

DSLR ? Again 645Z, K-S1.
Forget 645Z. It's another niche and 99.9% of users don't care about MF.

DA14/2.8 is discontinued, by the way.

As for Fuji - Pentax started with APS-C format 10 years ago. Fuji is just from 2012 !!!!!

Have a look at the line of fixed lenses.

XF14mmF2.8 R
XF18mmF2 R
XF23mmF1.4 R
XF27mmF2.8
XF35mmF1.4 R
XF56mmF1.2 R
XF56mmF1.2 R APDNew
XF60mmF2.4 R Macro

23/1.4 is OUSTANDING lens. Ricoh has no such lens.
All lenses are FAST.
Ricoh has 21/3.2. Fuji offer 23/1.4 and 18/2.
Ricoh has 35/2.4, 35/2.8 and 31/1.8, Fuji offer 35/1.4.
Ricoh has no lenses between 21-31 mm. Fuji offfer 27/2.8.

DA*55/1.4 and 56/1.2 - low difference and DA*55 looks better for me optically

New lenses for 2015
XF50-140F2.8 R LM OIS WR
XF16-55mmF2.8 R WR
XF16mmF1.4 R
XF90mmF2 R


Fuji is just the sample of correct approach to the matter.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Nicolas06 Quote
Let me check what Pentax has in primes:

DA14 f/2.8 DA15 f/4, DA21 f/3.2, FA31 f/1.8, DA35 f/2.4, DA35 f/2.8, FA35 f/2, DA40 f/2, FA43 f/1.9, DFA50 f/2.8, FA50 f/1.4, FA50 f/1.7, DA50 f/1.8, DA*55 f/1.4, DA70 f/2.4, FA77 f/1.8, DFA100 f/2.8, DA*200 f/2.8, DA*300 f/4, DA560 f/5.6

Let me check what Pentax has in zooms:
DA10-17 f/3.5-4.5, DA12-24 f/4, DA16-45 f/4, DA16-50 f/2.8, DA17-70 f/4, DA18-55 f/3.5-5.6, DA20-40 f/2.8-4, DA50-135 f/2.8, DA50-200, DA55-300 f/3.5-5.8, DA60-250 f/4

And there also the TC 1.4

Let's check Fuji primes:
14mm f/2.8, 18mm f/2, 23mm f/1.4, 27mm f/2.8, 35mm f/1.4, 56mm f/1.2, 60mm f/2.4
And Fuji zoom: 18-55 f/2.8-4, 18-135 f/3.5-5.6, 55-200 f/3.5-4.8

Can you understand why Fuji has a big lens problem while Pentax has almost anything needed?
Fuji? Problem? At least they understand that the customer is better off with 1 exceptionally good 50mm then overflowing them with multiple mediocre 50's.
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Fuji is just 10 years late to take on with Pentax... they globally overprice anything that doesn't out-perform concurrence.
One year after their 56/1.2 release, they bring out a second revised copy with lower T-stop due to "bokeh improvement"...
They boldly cheat on high ISOs, don't give a clue of why their sensor AF takes -3IL, nor tell us how they can manage to save 5 stops with their new stabilised 50-150mm f/2.8...
Now they claim a useless 1/32000s shutter-speed with X100T and X-T1, but are stuck to a basic ISO200 with the so capable Sony 16MPix sensors.
C'mon, who takes them seriously ?

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Fuji? Problem? At least they understand that the customer is better off with 1 exceptionally good 50mm then overflowing them with multiple mediocre 50's.
But Fuji does not have the problem that there are literally millions of superb MF ~50mm lenses out there. And I was not aware that Pentax's current 50's are mediocre. Did you just make that up?
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Fuji? Problem? At least they understand that the customer is better off with 1 exceptionally good 50mm then overflowing them with multiple mediocre 50's.
Actually, they have two 50s in their lineup .
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It's just discussion and I have no problem. Don't teach me, please, what I should do.

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Forget 645Z. It's another niche and 99.9% of users don't care about MF.

DA14/2.8 is discontinued, by the way.

As for Fuji - Pentax started with APS-C format 10 years ago. Fuji is just from 2012 !!!!!

Have a look at the line of fixed lenses.

XF14mmF2.8 R
XF18mmF2 R
XF23mmF1.4 R
XF27mmF2.8
XF35mmF1.4 R
XF56mmF1.2 R
XF56mmF1.2 R APDNew
XF60mmF2.4 R Macro

23/1.4 is OUSTANDING lens. Ricoh has no such lens.
All lenses are FAST.
Ricoh has 21/3.2. Fuji offer 23/1.4 and 18/2.
Ricoh has 35/2.4, 35/2.8 and 31/1.8, Fuji offer 35/1.4.
Ricoh has no lenses between 21-31 mm. Fuji offfer 27/2.8.

DA*55/1.4 and 56/1.2 - low difference and DA*55 looks better for me optically

New lenses for 2015
XF50-140F2.8 R LM OIS WR
XF16-55mmF2.8 R WR
XF16mmF1.4 R
XF90mmF2 R


Fuji is just the sample of correct approach to the matter.
ogl speaks the truth. Take a look at Fuji as of late. They will have a pair of fast weather sealed premium zooms to add within a year as well. Pentax limited's are nice lenses but Fuji has Pentax beat on primes.

When I first came to Pentax they were the small dslr with weathersealing and nice primes. This now belongs to Fuji. Fuji has excellent primes, faster and sharper. There's a reason a bunch of pro photog's are grabbing Fuji over FF options.

Further they have access to lenses we just don't have:

SLR Magic 50mm .95
Handevision IBELUX 40mm .85
Mitakon 35mm .95

Those offer DOF in line with FF removing that limitation from APS-C. Fuji's have no issue with high ISO, they are very close to FF in that respect as well.


Those above lenses don't exist for Pentax and are all solid metal very well made gear. I really wish I had access to those on Pentax body's but will likely end up with a Fuji body just for the primes they offer. (In addition to my DA* zooms, I'll keep the K5 for those).

Some people are not objective on this forum when they look around at options today. If you were buying into a system other options exist today that remove the advantages Pentax once had (small body dlsr, weather sealing and limited primes).

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QuoteOriginally posted by Zygonyx Quote
Fuji is just 10 years late to take on with Pentax... they globally overprice anything that doesn't out-perform concurrence.
One year after their 56/1.2 release, they bring out a second revised copy with lower T-stop due to "bokeh improvement"...
They boldly cheat on high ISOs, don't give a clue of why their sensor AF takes -3IL, nor tell us how they can manage to save 5 stops with their new stabilised 50-150mm f/2.8...
Now they claim a useless 1/32000s shutter-speed with X100T and X-T1, but are stuck to a basic ISO200 with the so capable Sony 16MPix sensors.
C'mon, who takes them seriously ?

A bunch of pro photographers take them seriously. Better prime lineup than Pentax by far. We have a bunch of older glass that's slower. If the ISO was faked I'm sure the professionals would be irritated when it stood in the way of work. DXO won't test the recent sensors because it's not a traditional bayer array.

X100S vs X100 vs Canon 5D Mark III - Brian Kraft Photography

I have an X100s it's not faking ISO it's in line with my K5 and the sensor outperforms the Sony 16mp.

1/32000 is maybe useful if you shoot wide open in bright light.....maybe. I've used 1/8000 a handful of times only in full sun or stopping rotor blades on a helicopter. That leaf shutter you mock syncs with flash to 1/2000 btw, try that with a Pentax!

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