Pentax has no any inspection system at lens plants in Vietnam. Is it true?

ogl · 05-10-2008, 12:35 AM

One man from russian forum said that
Pentax has no any control/check/inspection at lens plants in Vietnam. Is it true?
It seems to me, it's nonsense.
Any plant, especially which make high-technological production, has final quality control. He said that all lenses go to the shops directly from plant without any check at all.

There is Vietnamese who sale lenses from Pentax's plant under low price in Moscow. I think this lenses are stolen from plant. Does it mean that there is no control?
Can anybody to clear this situation?

Last edited by ogl; 05-10-2008 at 01:24 AM.

ftpaddict · 05-10-2008, 01:36 AM

I really really really really doubt there is no QC in the plant.

Peter Zack · 05-10-2008, 02:08 AM

Anybody from anywhere can post BS on the internet and call it true. Without verifiable proof of this or any other claim I wouldn't even post this question.

If you think it's stolen gear then I'd write Pentax with any details you have and help them track down the criminals. Get the guy to send you some pictures of the lenses with serial numbers and report them back to Pentax. That would be responsible if you like the brand.

ogl · 05-10-2008, 02:08 AM

I doubt too

ogl · 05-10-2008, 02:16 AM

Originally posted by Peter Zack

Anybody from anywhere can post BS on the internet and call it true. Without verifiable proof of this or any other claim I wouldn't even post this question.

If you think it's stolen gear then I'd write Pentax with any details you have and help them track down the criminals. Get the guy to send you some pictures of the lenses with serial numbers and report them back to Pentax. That would be responsible if you like the brand.

I'm not in Moscow. This Vietnamese let to check lenses before buying
and prices in Russia for Pentax's lenses are very high. I'm not sure that somebody help me and inform serial numbers of lenses.

The people want to buy good quality and not expensive lenses.

Maybe he bought lenses at the plant. I don't know.
But it's well-known fact - the lenses are without any packing with serial numbers.

The question is another - is there QC from Pentax in Vietnam or not?

Photo Tramp · 05-10-2008, 02:24 AM

You can bet the farm there is QC at the plant. Knowing the way these people work and the ethics they put into the products they make I would bet the farm on a very good QC inspection.
And those Lenses getting to Russia are probably the ones taken off the line as defective and some one has stolen them and put them on the Russian market so they can make a quick buck.

ftpaddict · 05-10-2008, 02:29 AM

Originally posted by Photo Tramp

And those Lenses getting to Russia are probably the ones taken off the line as defective and some one has stolen them and put them on the Russian market so they can make a quick buck.

Interesting angle. Hadn't thought of that before.

Peter Zack · 05-10-2008, 02:39 AM

That would make perfect sense if there's no packing or boxes with 'new' lenses. Not worth a dime no matter what you think you're saving.

Edvinas · 05-10-2008, 03:24 AM

Originally posted by Peter Zack

If you think it's stolen gear then I'd write Pentax with any details you have and help them track down the criminals. Get the guy to send you some pictures of the lenses with serial numbers and report them back to Pentax. That would be responsible if you like the brand.

Why should anyone do that?

We, in the Eastern Europe, are feeling robbed out by manufacturers and retailers (Pentax included), so we are just happy when there's opportunity to buy stuff cheaper. When Pentax makes prices here as low as in USA probably we won't need those Vietnamese with cheap lenses without packaging

ogl · 05-10-2008, 03:37 AM

Originally posted by Photo Tramp

You can bet the farm there is QC at the plant. Knowing the way these people work and the ethics they put into the products they make I would bet the farm on a very good QC inspection.
And those Lenses getting to Russia are probably the ones taken off the line as defective and some one has stolen them and put them on the Russian market so they can make a quick buck.

Maybe. I remember that the same scheme was at Intel's factories in 90-years.
And the processors were sent to non-european and to asian countries as oem and then some companies made PC there for sale.

little laker · 05-10-2008, 07:52 AM

I'd love to have some blemished lenses slipped my way.
There's a decent chance that it'd only be cosmetic and on the body, I could live with that.

ricardobeat · 05-10-2008, 09:19 AM

Originally posted by ogl

I'm not in Moscow. This Vietnamese let to check lenses before buying
and prices in Russia for Pentax's lenses are very high. I'm not sure that somebody help me and inform serial numbers of lenses.

The people want to buy good quality and not expensive lenses.

Maybe he bought lenses at the plant. I don't know.
But it's well-known fact - the lenses are without any packing with serial numbers.

The question is another - is there QC from Pentax in Vietnam or not?

Right, that's not the question. You want to know if your pirated products passed QC, that's the question

You can bet your bum even your shirt buttons manufactured in China by people earning $1 a day go through some kind of quality control.

omega leader · 05-10-2008, 11:52 AM

There is no way (0%) that any product is going to leave a manufacturing plant without QA/QC. It certainly is possible that failed lenses are sneaking out of the plant.

Items are stolen, often at production, but this is taken seriously by all levels of management and can't occur in large quantities without some form of cover up from local management.

There is a significant capital output to make a lens and if someone is going to notice if they purchase 10,000 blanks, but can only account for 9,000.

Chocolar · 05-10-2008, 01:08 PM

Originally posted by ogl

One man from russian forum said that
Pentax has no any control/check/inspection at lens plants in Vietnam. Is it true?
It seems to me, it's nonsense.
Any plant, especially which make high-technological production, has final quality control. He said that all lenses go to the shops directly from plant without any check at all.

There is Vietnamese who sale lenses from Pentax's plant under low price in Moscow. I think this lenses are stolen from plant. Does it mean that there is no control?
Can anybody to clear this situation?

Your thread title is very MISLEADING! You are talking about stolen lens and you concluded that "Pentax has no any inspection system at lens plants in Vietnam."? It should have said:" Pentax has no SECURITY system at lens plants in Vietnam".
I used to work for Ricoh USA in their imaging division and security is very loose, they 're very naive about employee theft, that's japanese culture. Anyway, they ended up spending US500k installing security/camera system after some guy stole a 4kg industrial-grade block of gold from a plating machine.

ogl · 05-11-2008, 02:24 AM

I worked one time with Chinese unknown factories - there is QC.

As for brands - there is QC with several levels. Anyway, there is "human factor" and production's defects.

05-10-2008, 12:35 AM	#1
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Pentax has no any inspection system at lens plants in Vietnam. Is it true? One man from russian forum said that Pentax has no any control/check/inspection at lens plants in Vietnam. Is it true? It seems to me, it's nonsense. Any plant, especially which make high-technological production, has final quality control. He said that all lenses go to the shops directly from plant without any check at all. There is Vietnamese who sale lenses from Pentax's plant under low price in Moscow. I think this lenses are stolen from plant. Does it mean that there is no control? Can anybody to clear this situation? Last edited by ogl; 05-10-2008 at 01:24 AM.

05-10-2008, 03:37 AM	#10
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382 Original Poster	Originally posted by Photo Tramp You can bet the farm there is QC at the plant. Knowing the way these people work and the ethics they put into the products they make I would bet the farm on a very good QC inspection. And those Lenses getting to Russia are probably the ones taken off the line as defective and some one has stolen them and put them on the Russian market so they can make a quick buck. Maybe. I remember that the same scheme was at Intel's factories in 90-years. And the processors were sent to non-european and to asian countries as oem and then some companies made PC there for sale. Last edited by ogl; 05-11-2008 at 02:19 AM.

05-10-2008, 11:52 AM	#13
omega leader Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Niagara Region, Ontario Canada Photos: Gallery Posts: 417	All manufacturing has QA/QC There is no way (0%) that any product is going to leave a manufacturing plant without QA/QC. It certainly is possible that failed lenses are sneaking out of the plant. Items are stolen, often at production, but this is taken seriously by all levels of management and can't occur in large quantities without some form of cover up from local management. There is a significant capital output to make a lens and if someone is going to notice if they purchase 10,000 blanks, but can only account for 9,000.

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05-10-2008, 01:36 AM	#2
ftpaddict Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Yurp Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,666	I really really really really doubt there is no QC in the plant.

05-10-2008, 02:08 AM	#3
Peter Zack Pentaxian Moderator Emeritus Join Date: May 2007 Location: Edmonton Alberta, Canada Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 10,643	Anybody from anywhere can post BS on the internet and call it true. Without verifiable proof of this or any other claim I wouldn't even post this question. If you think it's stolen gear then I'd write Pentax with any details you have and help them track down the criminals. Get the guy to send you some pictures of the lenses with serial numbers and report them back to Pentax. That would be responsible if you like the brand.

05-10-2008, 02:16 AM	#5
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382 Original Poster	Originally posted by Peter Zack Anybody from anywhere can post BS on the internet and call it true. Without verifiable proof of this or any other claim I wouldn't even post this question. If you think it's stolen gear then I'd write Pentax with any details you have and help them track down the criminals. Get the guy to send you some pictures of the lenses with serial numbers and report them back to Pentax. That would be responsible if you like the brand. I'm not in Moscow. This Vietnamese let to check lenses before buying and prices in Russia for Pentax's lenses are very high. I'm not sure that somebody help me and inform serial numbers of lenses. The people want to buy good quality and not expensive lenses. Maybe he bought lenses at the plant. I don't know. But it's well-known fact - the lenses are without any packing with serial numbers. The question is another - is there QC from Pentax in Vietnam or not?

05-10-2008, 02:24 AM	#6
Photo Tramp Inactive Account Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Lancaster, PA. Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,041	You can bet the farm there is QC at the plant. Knowing the way these people work and the ethics they put into the products they make I would bet the farm on a very good QC inspection. And those Lenses getting to Russia are probably the ones taken off the line as defective and some one has stolen them and put them on the Russian market so they can make a quick buck.

05-10-2008, 02:29 AM	#7
ftpaddict Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Yurp Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,666	Originally posted by Photo Tramp And those Lenses getting to Russia are probably the ones taken off the line as defective and some one has stolen them and put them on the Russian market so they can make a quick buck. Interesting angle. Hadn't thought of that before.

05-10-2008, 02:39 AM	#8
Peter Zack Pentaxian Moderator Emeritus Join Date: May 2007 Location: Edmonton Alberta, Canada Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 10,643	That would make perfect sense if there's no packing or boxes with 'new' lenses. Not worth a dime no matter what you think you're saving.

05-10-2008, 03:24 AM	#9
Edvinas Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Kaunas Posts: 1,458	Originally posted by Peter Zack If you think it's stolen gear then I'd write Pentax with any details you have and help them track down the criminals. Get the guy to send you some pictures of the lenses with serial numbers and report them back to Pentax. That would be responsible if you like the brand. Why should anyone do that? We, in the Eastern Europe, are feeling robbed out by manufacturers and retailers (Pentax included), so we are just happy when there's opportunity to buy stuff cheaper. When Pentax makes prices here as low as in USA probably we won't need those Vietnamese with cheap lenses without packaging

05-10-2008, 07:52 AM	#11
little laker Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Photos: Gallery Posts: 5,697	I'd love to have some blemished lenses slipped my way. There's a decent chance that it'd only be cosmetic and on the body, I could live with that.

05-10-2008, 09:19 AM	#12
ricardobeat Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Brazil Posts: 376	Originally posted by ogl I'm not in Moscow. This Vietnamese let to check lenses before buying and prices in Russia for Pentax's lenses are very high. I'm not sure that somebody help me and inform serial numbers of lenses. The people want to buy good quality and not expensive lenses. Maybe he bought lenses at the plant. I don't know. But it's well-known fact - the lenses are without any packing with serial numbers. The question is another - is there QC from Pentax in Vietnam or not? Right, that's not the question. You want to know if your pirated products passed QC, that's the question You can bet your bum even your shirt buttons manufactured in China by people earning $1 a day go through some kind of quality control.

05-10-2008, 01:08 PM	#14
Chocolar Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: OC, California Posts: 147	Originally posted by ogl One man from russian forum said that Pentax has no any control/check/inspection at lens plants in Vietnam. Is it true? It seems to me, it's nonsense. Any plant, especially which make high-technological production, has final quality control. He said that all lenses go to the shops directly from plant without any check at all. There is Vietnamese who sale lenses from Pentax's plant under low price in Moscow. I think this lenses are stolen from plant. Does it mean that there is no control? Can anybody to clear this situation? Your thread title is very MISLEADING! You are talking about stolen lens and you concluded that "Pentax has no any inspection system at lens plants in Vietnam."? It should have said:" Pentax has no SECURITY system at lens plants in Vietnam". I used to work for Ricoh USA in their imaging division and security is very loose, they 're very naive about employee theft, that's japanese culture. Anyway, they ended up spending US500k installing security/camera system after some guy stole a 4kg industrial-grade block of gold from a plating machine.

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05-11-2008, 02:24 AM	#15
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382 Original Poster	I worked one time with Chinese unknown factories - there is QC. As for brands - there is QC with several levels. Anyway, there is "human factor" and production's defects.