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09-01-2014, 08:24 AM - 1 Like   #211
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QuoteOriginally posted by monochrome Quote
I spoke directly, personally, with Jim Malcolm about this (in a conference with ten other PF members posted in the Q Forum). He told me Ricoh had extensive discussions with Apple and others over the course of more than a year, but Ricoh decided they simply weren't willing to comply with (particularly) Apple's requirements if Ricoh was to make use of the API and apps.

Apparently, that decision closed the on-board Wi-Fi door, so they worked with Eye-Fi to develop the card-sensing Menu system and with Flu to develop the card. Ricoh isn't stupid, folks. There's a reason for this solution.

I can understand those reasons from a development perspective, but from a consumer standpoint the Flu card is a poor and expensive alternative. It adds $100 to the cost for a feature that many customers are coming to expect standard in gadgets. Unless I had an existing catalog of Pentax lenses, why would an upper-entry level consumer choose the KS-1 over the WI-FI enabled Nikon D5300, which also has an articulating screen, GPS ($249 extra from Pentax), three colors and of course "more megapixels"? The specific colors of the KS-1? The LED lights on the front?


I'm sure they have crunched the numbers and think they know how many sales they will lose, but it's hard to put a value on being perceived as low tech in a field where they certainly aren't.


Personally, I was very disappointed with the remote control options offered by the Flu card. I hope they don't think they are done with it if that's where they are pinning their WiFi hopes.

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QuoteOriginally posted by ElJamoquio Quote
So then send an mms.
To whom?
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P.S. With a 7% desktop and 11% smartphone market share worldwide, choosing not to support Apple is a viable option. It would hurt in the US (42% iPhone market) and Japan (57% iPhone market), but the market share of iPhones is on a steady downward trend anyway.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Kunzite Quote
To whom?
Facebook. Instagram. Your wife.*





*only valid in case of Kunzite.

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QuoteOriginally posted by NicoleC Quote
P.S. With a 7% desktop and 11% smartphone market share worldwide, choosing not to support Apple is a viable option. It would hurt in the US (42% iPhone market) and Japan (57% iPhone market), but the market share of iPhones is on a steady downward trend anyway.
That's % of the smartphone market. I don't know what % of phones are smartphones now, but it seems like the majority.

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Interesting, it appears you can indeed MMS to Facebook, Instagram, Twitter. You only need to include GSM support (and comply with the appropriate regulations), and have a data plan. And a parallel system will be needed, to save on your data plan if a WiFi is nearby. And radio interference might be an issue.
Thanks, I learned something new (though I'm not using any of those 3).
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QuoteOriginally posted by NicoleC Quote
Personally, I was very disappointed with the remote control options offered by the Flu card. I hope they don't think they are done with it if that's where they are pinning their WiFi hopes.
Who knows - maybe Flu/Pentax was a lost-cost placeholder until iOS8. IIRC there was some mention of RAW in the discussion. Given the balance of Ricoh's USA consumer strategy (lack of: big box store distribution, supporting ads to drive sell-through, celebrity brand-identity endorsements) maybe they don't really care about the western entry level market at all.

I'm beginning to think not caring about the US consumer is a Thing now.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Kunzite Quote
Interesting, it appears you can indeed MMS to Facebook, Instagram, Twitter. You only need to include GSM support (and comply with the appropriate regulations), and have a data plan. And a parallel system will be needed, to save on your data plan if a WiFi is nearby. And radio interference might be an issue.
Thanks, I learned something new (though I'm not using any of those 3).
Just to be completely clear - a 'data plan' is nice if you're not within range of WiFi, but it's not necessary.

You could 'just' have wifi and tether to one of your other devices, or to a local network.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Kunzite Quote
Interesting, it appears you can indeed MMS to Facebook, Instagram, Twitter. You only need to include GSM support (and comply with the appropriate regulations), and have a data plan. And a parallel system will be needed, to save on your data plan if a WiFi is nearby. And radio interference might be an issue.
Thanks, I learned something new (though I'm not using any of those 3).
Mmm well MMS is costly, SMS is free most of the time, data is free within data allowance of your data plan (which really isn't free but there's no cost per image sent).

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QuoteOriginally posted by ElJamoquio Quote
You could 'just' have wifi and tether to one of your other devices, or to a local network.
You can already do that now,

QuoteOriginally posted by thibs Quote
Mmm well MMS is costly, SMS is free most of the time, data is free within data allowance of your data plan (which really isn't free but there's no cost per image sent).
How many devices can you have on your data plan? How many Mb can you have on your data plan, at what cost for over-limit? How much of your data plan capacity does sending photos consume? On my data plan I can have more phones, but tablets need their own data plan. Would I need a new data plan for a camera?

Should I let my children add their Wi-Fi-enabled CaNiSujy's to my FamilyTalk Plan?
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QuoteOriginally posted by D1N0 Quote
cd-focus uses the sensor, you won't be using your phase detect, unless the sensor has phase detect points. You will not be using your touch screen while looking through the ovf so you will always need tactile controls for moving your AF-point.
So what is the point of a touchscreen? Save $$ and just have an articulating screen for what real matters.....video.
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You can already do that now,
I do not have a one-button-publish button.

This is going to be a great selling point.

Aren't you usually someone who harps about the wants of the poster vs. the requirements of the 'generic' customer?
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QuoteOriginally posted by ElJamoquio Quote
I do not have a one-button-publish button.

This is going to be a great selling point.

Aren't you usually someone who harps about the wants of the poster vs. the requirements of the 'generic' customer?
I think a lot of excellent things come from just making the tools available and also pretty plastic so that users can push them in all sorts of ways and come up with things which the originating company never dreamed of. But we need to get to first (wifi) base before that can happen
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QuoteOriginally posted by ElJamoquio Quote
I do not have a one-button-publish button.
You likely already have a better, optimized one-button-publish tool in your pocket.
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Does DPR never use the Info quick-screen on the back? Grousing about buttons for data that can accessed that way, and praising font updates, really isn't doing prospective users much good.

OTOH they must have had pre-firmware for this, so that's all they can comment on. The downside of handing out cameras a week before they're ready...
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QuoteOriginally posted by monochrome Quote
You can already do that now,

How many devices can you have on your data plan? How many Mb can you have on your data plan, at what cost for over-limit? How much of your data plan capacity does sending photos consume? On my data plan I can have more phones, but tablets need their own data plan. Would I need a new data plan for a camera?

Should I let my children add their Wi-Fi-enabled CaNiSujy's to my FamilyTalk Plan?
I was replying to the MMS thing (which is a bit... let's say surprising... that's the last thing I'd use).
I partly agree but if you use wifi to link the cam (embedded wifi or Flucard or EyeFi I don't give a damn) to the smartphone, the most usual/logical would be to use the data plan.
Of course if you set the cam to send FullRes JPEGs to the phone to be sent on the Net well... LOL

Any sensible user (in these condition) would use minimum possible Jpeg size (sent to the phone) + RAW (stays on the SD).
Then the phone is set to send any received picture to whatever social cr@p the user likes (pun intended)
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