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09-01-2014, 12:03 PM   #226
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QuoteOriginally posted by ElJamoquio Quote
Just to be completely clear - a 'data plan' is nice if you're not within range of WiFi, but it's not necessary.

You could 'just' have wifi and tether to one of your other devices, or to a local network.
While using MMS?

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QuoteOriginally posted by ElJamoquio Quote
Just to be completely clear - a 'data plan' is nice if you're not within range of WiFi, but it's not necessary.

You could 'just' have wifi and tether to one of your other devices, or to a local network.
Well in most of the Europe, at least Belgium and France, there's not such a thing as free wifi so yes, a data plan is pretty much mandatory.
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QuoteOriginally posted by ElJamoquio Quote

That's % of the smartphone market. I don't know what % of phones are smartphones now, but it seems like the majority.

Oh sure, but feature phone users can't really browse and publish to the web anyway, and don't have usually data plans that support uploading files anyway. Tiny little cell phone pictures via MMS, sure.


Smartphones just started barely out-selling feature phones last year.


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Well in most of the Europe, at least Belgium and France, there's not such a thing as free wifi so yes, a data plan is pretty much mandatory.

Same here, but my phone can create a Wi-Fi hotspot.

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Who knows - maybe Flu/Pentax was a lost-cost placeholder until iOS8. IIRC there was some mention of RAW in the discussion. Given the balance of Ricoh's USA consumer strategy (lack of: big box store distribution, supporting ads to drive sell-through, celebrity brand-identity endorsements) maybe they don't really care about the western entry level market at all.

Maybe. Or maybe there were other impediments that didn't get into the official story that also affected the decision.


Of course if they do add internal Wi-Fi with support for iOS and Android, I would just complain they didn't support Windows Phone.
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QuoteOriginally posted by thibs Quote
I was replying to the MMS thing (which is a bit... let's say surprising... that's the last thing I'd use).
I partly agree but if you use wifi to link the cam (embedded wifi or Flucard or EyeFi I don't give a damn) to the smartphone, the most usual/logical would be to use the data plan.
Of course if you set the cam to send FullRes JPEGs to the phone to be sent on the Net well... LOL
I'm not sure why you're laughing? You're the first person proposing sending out full resolution jpg's. I was proposing 300kb as per MMS guidelines to sidestep those people who implied Facebook, Twitter, etc, implemented API's that weren't backwards compatible. MMS sidesteps those issues.

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Well in most of the Europe, at least Belgium and France, there's not such a thing as free wifi so yes, a data plan is pretty much mandatory.
Really? Restaurants et al don't have wifi for customers?

I do recall having to pay for wifi in Paris/Stuttgart in 2010, that was an odd experience for me.

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QuoteOriginally posted by ElJamoquio Quote
I'm not sure why you're laughing? You're the first person proposing sending out full resolution jpg's. I was proposing 300kb as per MMS guidelines to sidestep those people who implied Facebook, Twitter, etc, implemented API's that weren't backwards compatible. MMS sidesteps those issues.


Read again.


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QuoteOriginally posted by ElJamoquio Quote
Really? Restaurants et al don't have wifi for customers?

I do recall having to pay for wifi in Paris/Stuttgart in 2010, that was an odd experience for me.
Most don't. Some have. Nothing you can count on. I was VERY surprised (pleasantly) that in Ireland though, Wifi was almost everywhere including simple plublic transportation buses. Nothing of that sort here. Sure, a certain number of wifi hotspots but free? You kidding... (I know you're not, you know what I mean).
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Here, free wifi is getting so ubiqitous that a (very) few people are giving up their dataplans and voice minutes and are just using wifi.
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QuoteOriginally posted by ElJamoquio Quote
Here, free wifi is getting so ubiqitous that a (very) few people are giving up their dataplans and voice minutes and are just using wifi.
If you don't have free wi-fi good luck selling coffee.
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My visiting friends are always surprised that free WiFi is almost non existent in Japan. I think it has to do with expectations and economics to be honest. Most Japanese don't expect to get free Wi-Fi and will just use tethering if necessary. From the point of view of restaurants and cafes, they are usually more interesting in getting people out of the door and the next customer in than encouraging people to loiter longer. I wonder whether there's something similar going on in Belgium. In any case, I find it much easier to find free Wi-Fi in Europe than Japan.

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QuoteOriginally posted by ElJamoquio Quote
Here, free wifi is getting so ubiqitous that a (very) few people are giving up their dataplans and voice minutes and are just using wifi.
Last year I switched from a major national cell carrier to a small startup that relies on a (different) national carrier for cell service only when wifi isn't available. Has saved me ~$100/month. Sounds like my desire for basic wifi capability in a camera is tied to my location...except all I want is the ability to send jpegs to my phone...
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QuoteOriginally posted by ElJamoquio Quote
Here, free wifi is getting so ubiqitous that a (very) few people are giving up their dataplans and voice minutes and are just using wifi.
I'd really like to do as much

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If you don't have free wi-fi good luck selling coffee.
Well, most of the time, no wifi. Or often, advertise wifi, protect it but don't give away the password. People might start using it.

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My visiting friends are always surprised that free WiFi is almost non existent in Japan. I think it has to do with expectations and economics to be honest. Most Japanese don't expect to get free Wi-Fi and will just use tethering if necessary. From the point of view of restaurants and cafes, they are usually more interesting in getting people out of the door and the next customer in than encouraging people to loiter longer. I wonder whether there's something similar going on in Belgium. In any case, I find it much easier to find free Wi-Fi in Europe than Japan.
I dunno the reasons, maybe economics but I'm not quite sure.
I have a data plan for that reason and even then, the data network itself has unacceptable drops in the coverage area. And that's the major operator.
So data plan is really a need if you need the Net for whatever. I'm even chose the hassle of the Dual Sim phone to get as much as possible from voice and from data, trying to play the operators at their own game.
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I guess I am lucky here. There are several big wifi networks which are free if you already subscribe to the network's broadband services. You usually do have to pay if you are not a subscriber. So I get my broadband from the national telco BT and wherever I go I can then log in to BT wifi hotspots in stores, coffee shops and all over the country - and abroad too since they are linked with another network called FON. So a holiday in Madeira earlier this year meant free wifi everywhere on the island since their net their is FON-linked. BT's broadband routers all come with twin signals, one private for the owner and one public, which means that everyone's home is potentially a hotspot too.

Anyway, the ubiquity of wifi here means that folks likely now just expect it on their gizmos since most of them are already subscribing to a network for access. Wifi has become another utility like water or power.

I wonder whether the wifi situation with Ricoh is another reflection of their concentration on the Japanese and Asian markets. Perhaps wifi in the way I've described it is not as common where Ricoh plan to sell most of their products so they don't feel building it into their cameras is all that urgent.
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Free wi-fi is getting to be almost expected here. Nearly all coffee shops that I can tell, most restaurants, all hotels, car dealerships, even the grocery store and department store. Some provide it to draw in customers, at first it was a competitive advantage, but once all coffee shops have it, then it is no longer an advantage just a cost of doing business. No one is going to go to a coffee shop without free wi-fi now.

The grocery store and department store make you log in to their website first and show the weekly ad, so I guess they think the in-store advertising is worth it. I just click 'agree' and never read the ads.
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I wonder whether the wifi situation with Ricoh is another reflection of their concentration on the Japanese and Asian markets. Perhaps wifi in the way I've described it is not as common where Ricoh plan to sell most of their products so they don't feel building it into their cameras is all that urgent.
Well, there you go.
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Well, there you go.
Except the competition is bypassing the SD card route and going built-in wi-fi even for the Asian and Euro markets.

Might be some licensing issues and minimums.

Reliance on Flu Card will kill sales. The next iOS release may be able to read RAW via Wi-Fi, so with Wi-Fi totally ubiquitous in mobile OS's and mobile OS's dominating OS sales now, any camera maker not going towards that stream is floating in a circle.
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