Hands-on with the Pentax K-S1, $749 body only-- from dpreview.com

whk1992 · 08-28-2014, 02:39 AM

Originally posted by yusuf

I wish Pentax could have used EVF instead OVF and possibly get rid of flash too. That would have given a serious competition to Sony nex series. I will continue to keep my Pentax AF lenses but will pass on this.

Why gave up on the 100% coverage viewfinder, something that Pentax is great at making? Also, EVF is for mirrorless camera. This is not meant to be an upgrade for K-01. This is designed to be a DSLR.

ogl · 08-28-2014, 02:57 AM

Originally posted by JPT

I'm a bit disappointed. I think they've got quite a lot wrong with this camera. It's supposed to appeal to people who have rejected DSLRs, but . . .

- it should be lighter
- it should do Wi-Fi out of the box
- it should be weather sealed
- it should have a smaller, quieter kit lens

touchscreen and tiltable LCD

Not a Number · 08-28-2014, 03:06 AM

Originally posted by mee

Targeted user of this camera are 20-somethings who are novices to photography but want to move into an SLR style camera.. I think.

See Ricoh's Life Captured Video

You Tube

yusuf · 08-28-2014, 03:08 AM

Originally posted by whk1992

Why gave up on the 100% coverage viewfinder, something that Pentax is great at making? Also, EVF is for mirrorless camera. This is not meant to be an upgrade for K-01. This is designed to be a DSLR.

I have used OVF for 20 years and will continue to use OVF on film camera. However for digital, EVF and mirrorless are the future. After getting accustomed to Sony EVF, I will not look back to OVF. I exactly know what I am shooting - dept of field, exact point of the focus, peaking, live histograms, clippings, and no shutter noise or vibration - something not easy to overlook. A few years from now, and the most cameras including high end will be mirrorless.

whk1992 · 08-28-2014, 03:20 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by yusuf

I have used OVF for 20 years and will continue to use OVF on film camera. However for digital, EVF and mirrorless are the future. After getting accustomed to Sony EVF, I will not look back to OVF. I exactly know what I am shooting - dept of field, exact point of the focus, peaking, live histograms, clippings, and no shutter noise or vibration - something not easy to overlook. A few years from now, and the most cameras including high end will be mirrorless.

Ah. I agree with you on that, although I just bought a K-50, my first DSLR. As an engineering student, I just love all the moving, mechanical parts inside the camera. Plus, I want to grab one before DSLR becomes history. DSLR has become so well-developed and affordable on these days. I can't afford a really good mirrorless camera yet.

rawr · 08-28-2014, 03:50 AM

Originally posted by whk1992

Plus, I want to grab one before DSLR becomes history. DSLR has become so well-developed and affordable on these days.

Interesting and valid perspective. There is a lot of evolution behind our current DSLR's.

D1N0 · 08-28-2014, 04:36 AM

This camera is not for pentaxians. It's an affront. When this is the road Ricoh is going, I am not buying any more bodies.

gazonk · 08-28-2014, 04:55 AM

Originally posted by D1N0

This camera is not for pentaxians. It's an affront. When this is the road Ricoh is going, I am not buying any more bodies.

If they also introduce a K-50 follow-up, I'm not worried. The Pentax NB1000 wasn't for me, but it didn't stop me from buying a K-5 - nor did it stop me from still loving Lego

D1N0 · 08-28-2014, 05:04 AM

I'm worried that this wil replace the k-50.

whk1992 · 08-28-2014, 05:07 AM

Originally posted by D1N0

I'm worried that this wil replace the k-50.

Without WR? I don't think so...

gazonk · 08-28-2014, 05:13 AM

Originally posted by D1N0

I'm worried that this wil replace the k-50.

Only if K-3 becomes the mid tier and.... dare I say it?.... The "K-F1" replaces the K-3 as the top tier

**interested_observer** · 08-28-2014, 05:18 AM

Originally posted by Not a Number

See Ricoh's Life Captured Video

I think that I actually saw some marketing? They are selling a lifestyle - not a camera.

It also appears to me that the market is 20 something women....

**monochrome** · 08-28-2014, 06:01 AM

Originally posted by D1N0

This camera is not for pentaxians. It's an affront. When this is the road Ricoh is going, I am not buying any more bodies.

Originally posted by gazonk

If they also introduce a K-50 follow-up, I'm not worried. The Pentax NB1000 wasn't for me, but it didn't stop me from buying a K-5 - nor did it stop me from still loving Lego

Originally posted by D1N0

I'm worried that this wil replace the k-50.

[EDIT: I didn't see the prior post until after I posted this - I completely agree.]

They gave US the K-3. Why are we asking for a K-3 minus? let them try to go after somebody new. Like my daughter. Mid-20's, Shoots iPhone, Getting bored with Facebook and Instagram; not wed to her father's idea of what a camera is and certainly not wed to her father's idea of what a dSLR should look like. Couldn't care less about whether the 19!55 lloks crappy because she never thought about the difference. Probably will use LiveView a lot so the Mode Dial is just great.

Etc. Etc.

It isn't for us.

IchabodCrane · 08-28-2014, 06:01 AM

Originally posted by interested_observer

I think that I actually saw some marketing? They are selling a lifestyle - not a camera.

It also appears to me that the market is 20 something women....

If that's their target market, I'd like to see the consultant's report that claims the target market will spend $800 when they have historically spent $400 - $500.

whk1992 · 08-28-2014, 06:13 AM

Originally posted by monochrome

[EDIT: I didn't see the prior post until after I posted this - I completely agree.]

They gave US the K-3. Why are we asking for a K-3 minus? let them try to go after somebody new. Like my daughter. Mid-20's, Shoots iPhone, Getting bored with Facebook and Instagram; not wed to her father's idea of what a camera is and certainly not wed to her father's idea of what a dSLR should look like. Couldn't care less about whether the 19!55 lloks crappy because she never thought about the difference. Probably will use LiveView a lot so the Mode Dial is just great.

Etc. Etc.

It isn't for us.

You are asking a consumer who doesn't care much about camera quality to drop a wooping 800 bucks.

08-28-2014, 05:18 AM	#42
interested_observer Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Tumbleweed, Arizona Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 5,707	Originally posted by Not a Number See Ricoh's Life Captured Video I think that I actually saw some marketing? They are selling a lifestyle - not a camera. It also appears to me that the market is 20 something women.... Last edited by interested_observer; 08-28-2014 at 05:25 AM.

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08-28-2014, 02:39 AM	#31
whk1992 Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Photos: Gallery Posts: 715	Originally posted by yusuf I wish Pentax could have used EVF instead OVF and possibly get rid of flash too. That would have given a serious competition to Sony nex series. I will continue to keep my Pentax AF lenses but will pass on this. Why gave up on the 100% coverage viewfinder, something that Pentax is great at making? Also, EVF is for mirrorless camera. This is not meant to be an upgrade for K-01. This is designed to be a DSLR.

08-28-2014, 02:57 AM	#32
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Originally posted by JPT I'm a bit disappointed. I think they've got quite a lot wrong with this camera. It's supposed to appeal to people who have rejected DSLRs, but . . . - it should be lighter - it should do Wi-Fi out of the box - it should be weather sealed - it should have a smaller, quieter kit lens touchscreen and tiltable LCD

08-28-2014, 03:08 AM	#34
yusuf Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Palo Alto, CA Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,497	Originally posted by whk1992 Why gave up on the 100% coverage viewfinder, something that Pentax is great at making? Also, EVF is for mirrorless camera. This is not meant to be an upgrade for K-01. This is designed to be a DSLR. I have used OVF for 20 years and will continue to use OVF on film camera. However for digital, EVF and mirrorless are the future. After getting accustomed to Sony EVF, I will not look back to OVF. I exactly know what I am shooting - dept of field, exact point of the focus, peaking, live histograms, clippings, and no shutter noise or vibration - something not easy to overlook. A few years from now, and the most cameras including high end will be mirrorless.

08-28-2014, 03:20 AM - 1 Like	#35
whk1992 Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Photos: Gallery Posts: 715	Originally posted by yusuf I have used OVF for 20 years and will continue to use OVF on film camera. However for digital, EVF and mirrorless are the future. After getting accustomed to Sony EVF, I will not look back to OVF. I exactly know what I am shooting - dept of field, exact point of the focus, peaking, live histograms, clippings, and no shutter noise or vibration - something not easy to overlook. A few years from now, and the most cameras including high end will be mirrorless. Ah. I agree with you on that, although I just bought a K-50, my first DSLR. As an engineering student, I just love all the moving, mechanical parts inside the camera. Plus, I want to grab one before DSLR becomes history. DSLR has become so well-developed and affordable on these days. I can't afford a really good mirrorless camera yet.

08-28-2014, 03:50 AM	#36
rawr Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,913	Originally posted by whk1992 Plus, I want to grab one before DSLR becomes history. DSLR has become so well-developed and affordable on these days. Interesting and valid perspective. There is a lot of evolution behind our current DSLR's.

08-28-2014, 04:36 AM	#37
D1N0 Pentaxian Join Date: May 2012 Location: --- Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,802	This camera is not for pentaxians. It's an affront. When this is the road Ricoh is going, I am not buying any more bodies.

08-28-2014, 04:55 AM	#38
gazonk Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Oslo area, Norway Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,746	Originally posted by D1N0 This camera is not for pentaxians. It's an affront. When this is the road Ricoh is going, I am not buying any more bodies. If they also introduce a K-50 follow-up, I'm not worried. The Pentax NB1000 wasn't for me, but it didn't stop me from buying a K-5 - nor did it stop me from still loving Lego

08-28-2014, 05:04 AM	#39
D1N0 Pentaxian Join Date: May 2012 Location: --- Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,802	I'm worried that this wil replace the k-50.

08-28-2014, 05:07 AM	#40
whk1992 Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Photos: Gallery Posts: 715	Originally posted by D1N0 I'm worried that this wil replace the k-50. Without WR? I don't think so...

08-28-2014, 05:13 AM	#41
gazonk Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Oslo area, Norway Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,746	Originally posted by D1N0 I'm worried that this wil replace the k-50. Only if K-3 becomes the mid tier and.... dare I say it?.... The "K-F1" replaces the K-3 as the top tier

08-28-2014, 06:01 AM	#43
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by D1N0 This camera is not for pentaxians. It's an affront. When this is the road Ricoh is going, I am not buying any more bodies. Originally posted by gazonk If they also introduce a K-50 follow-up, I'm not worried. The Pentax NB1000 wasn't for me, but it didn't stop me from buying a K-5 - nor did it stop me from still loving Lego Originally posted by D1N0 I'm worried that this wil replace the k-50. [EDIT: I didn't see the prior post until after I posted this - I completely agree.] They gave US the K-3. Why are we asking for a K-3 minus? let them try to go after somebody new. Like my daughter. Mid-20's, Shoots iPhone, Getting bored with Facebook and Instagram; not wed to her father's idea of what a camera is and certainly not wed to her father's idea of what a dSLR should look like. Couldn't care less about whether the 19!55 lloks crappy because she never thought about the difference. Probably will use LiveView a lot so the Mode Dial is just great. Etc. Etc. It isn't for us.

08-28-2014, 06:01 AM	#44
IchabodCrane Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,728	Originally posted by interested_observer I think that I actually saw some marketing? They are selling a lifestyle - not a camera. It also appears to me that the market is 20 something women.... If that's their target market, I'd like to see the consultant's report that claims the target market will spend $800 when they have historically spent $400 - $500.

08-28-2014, 06:13 AM	#45
whk1992 Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Photos: Gallery Posts: 715	Originally posted by monochrome [EDIT: I didn't see the prior post until after I posted this - I completely agree.] They gave US the K-3. Why are we asking for a K-3 minus? let them try to go after somebody new. Like my daughter. Mid-20's, Shoots iPhone, Getting bored with Facebook and Instagram; not wed to her father's idea of what a camera is and certainly not wed to her father's idea of what a dSLR should look like. Couldn't care less about whether the 19!55 lloks crappy because she never thought about the difference. Probably will use LiveView a lot so the Mode Dial is just great. Etc. Etc. It isn't for us. You are asking a consumer who doesn't care much about camera quality to drop a wooping 800 bucks.