Ricoh WG-M1

**monochrome** · 09-14-2014, 02:56 PM

Originally posted by Kunzite

Mind you, the argument was that smartphones are the new Instamatic/disposable cameras, and cannot replace "real cameras" in versatility.

READ.

The argument was they are as common and convenient as the Instamatic. They do the job the great mass of people want done. That was all.

I would not be surprised in a few years to know the Pixma/WG-M1 and clones fill the same niche in action movie use, with GoPro moving upscale.

Kunzite · 09-14-2014, 03:51 PM

Perhaps you should READ?
As I stated several times I agree they're "as common and as convenient as the Instamatic" and that they're fine for many, but I disagree that they "are the 135mm of the digital" - since obviously the small format wasn't limited to Instamatic and actually had AF, viewfinders (those were also on the Instamatic) and metering. It's all in the last pages.
But it's pointless and off topic. Whatever, I'm done.

Mehlsack · 09-14-2014, 03:52 PM

The goPro is expensive, but somehome i see a lot ore of them in student/pupil teenager hands then DSLRs (which got a huge boost in recent years)

So if you want to buy a action cam , you at first look at a goPro THEN you look at the others ( which like the WG-M1) are not so good (but maybe cheaper) and... in the end you will settle for the more expensive, but (bettter) goPro.

As long a product is the "go-to" product because of its name or abundance, every other product has to compete with that and if you want to compete with pricing it has to be identical when it comes to features to have a chance.

Why do you think a car salesman adds all the "funny" extra to your car before you start crossing them of ? Because its harder to get rid of it once you have "it".

Do i need a massage-seat in my car ? No ! but hell its ust 300$more, so leave it in.

The same goes with the goPro

Do i for sure need FullHd in 60FPS ? well dont know, but its only X $ more, so why dont go for it.

Sorry for derailing your funny PoS/IPhone/ audioturntable thread....

H. Sapiens · 09-15-2014, 12:54 AM

My brother got a GoPro last year and I went to a shop to buy one of those accessories as a present. In the shop was a stand showcasing their products and a monitor running movies. I almost bought one of the damn things for myself right there, because that movie fueled both my wanderlust and desire to make images. Pentax never manages to excite me that way (Leica and Fuji does in other ways). I think they have to learn to speak to our emotions - and spend the money doing it. The closest they come is a photo of a K5 with some raindrops which hardly ignite my imagination. With the current strategy they have to have the best spec and measured performance on every product and that is an impossible task.

I am sure all the motorcyclists I see using GoPro didn't buy after spending days on photography forums comparing specs.

D1N0 · 09-15-2014, 04:55 AM

Originally posted by H. Sapiens

My brother got a GoPro last year and I went to a shop to buy one of those accessories as a present. In the shop was a stand showcasing their products and a monitor running movies. I almost bought one of the damn things for myself right there, because that movie fueled both my wanderlust and desire to make images. Pentax never manages to excite me that way (Leica and Fuji does in other ways). I think they have to learn to speak to our emotions - and spend the money doing it. The closest they come is a photo of a K5 with some raindrops which hardly ignite my imagination. With the current strategy they have to have the best spec and measured performance on every product and that is an impossible task.

I am sure all the motorcyclists I see using GoPro didn't buy after spending days on photography forums comparing specs.

That's just not what Pentax-ricoh is. They suck at it. Look at the K-s1. They should just focus on making the best bang for buck camera's.

Mistral75 · 09-15-2014, 10:03 AM

Kunzite, this one is for you: Panasonic Lumix DMC-CM1, a smartphone with a 1" sensor and a 28mm f/2.8 lens.

LUMIX CM1 Smart Camera - Kamera oder Smartphone? - Systemkamera Blog
Panasonic Lumix CM1 : le photophone à capteur 1 pouce et sous Android | Pixelistes

By the way, you can keep the car too, I prefer my Jaguar

.

LeeRunge · 09-15-2014, 10:52 AM

That CM1 is actually very attractive. I have my smartphone on my always but not a camera. ( I can't stand smartphone camera's lack of control and poor quality)

It would probably get shaken apart....but that on a RAM mount on a bike would cover navigation and photo's.

mrNewt · 09-15-2014, 11:15 AM

I would buy one of these for $150 without any issues... but not for what it will sell now.

I got my Sony Action cam for $150 with all the attachments and options it comes with - except the screen attachment. But even that I can buy for another $100.
So with $250 you already have a camera with better specs and performance than this...

D1N0 · 09-15-2014, 11:35 AM

Is it a phone that can take pictures or a camera you can call with?

Nicolas06 · 09-15-2014, 12:25 PM

Originally posted by mrNewt

I would buy one of these for $150 without any issues... but not for what it will sell now.

I got my Sony Action cam for $150 with all the attachments and options it comes with - except the screen attachment. But even that I can buy for another $100.
So with $250 you already have a camera with better specs and performance than this...

I really doubt you would have an 1" on a $150 camera... That's more $400.

Mistral75 · 09-15-2014, 12:39 PM

Price in France and Germany will be €899, i.e. $969.

ZombieArmy · 09-15-2014, 12:51 PM

Originally posted by Mistral75

Price in France and Germany will be €899, i.e. $969.

That's just obnoxious for any smart phone. Even the flagship Samsung and HTC phones don't cost that much out of contract.

...by a few hundred dollars no less.

Zygonyx · 09-15-2014, 12:55 PM

Yes, that price is really gogo's theft....
Moreover for a simple 28mm fixed lens.

RonHendriks1966 · 09-15-2014, 12:57 PM

Originally posted by Mistral75

Kunzite, this one is for you: Panasonic Lumix DMC-CM1, a smartphone with a 1" sensor and a 28mm f/2.8 lens.

LUMIX CM1 Smart Camera - Kamera oder Smartphone? - Systemkamera Blog
Panasonic Lumix CM1 : le photophone à capteur 1 pouce et sous Android | Pixelistes

Not on that price. (899 euro)

Mistral75 · 09-15-2014, 01:00 PM

Originally posted by ZombieArmy

That's just obnoxious for any smart phone. Even the flagship Samsung and HTC phones don't cost that much out of contract.

...by a few hundred dollars no less.

Geeks and other early adopters are cows that one may and shall milk.

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09-14-2014, 02:56 PM	#151
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by Kunzite Mind you, the argument was that smartphones are the new Instamatic/disposable cameras, and cannot replace "real cameras" in versatility. READ. The argument was they are as common and convenient as the Instamatic. They do the job the great mass of people want done. That was all. I would not be surprised in a few years to know the Pixma/WG-M1 and clones fill the same niche in action movie use, with GoPro moving upscale.

09-14-2014, 03:51 PM	#152
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132 Original Poster	Perhaps you should READ? As I stated several times I agree they're "as common and as convenient as the Instamatic" and that they're fine for many, but I disagree that they "are the 135mm of the digital" - since obviously the small format wasn't limited to Instamatic and actually had AF, viewfinders (those were also on the Instamatic) and metering. It's all in the last pages. But it's pointless and off topic. Whatever, I'm done.

09-14-2014, 03:52 PM	#153
Mehlsack Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Innsbruck Posts: 283	The goPro is expensive, but somehome i see a lot ore of them in student/pupil teenager hands then DSLRs (which got a huge boost in recent years) So if you want to buy a action cam , you at first look at a goPro THEN you look at the others ( which like the WG-M1) are not so good (but maybe cheaper) and... in the end you will settle for the more expensive, but (bettter) goPro. As long a product is the "go-to" product because of its name or abundance, every other product has to compete with that and if you want to compete with pricing it has to be identical when it comes to features to have a chance. Why do you think a car salesman adds all the "funny" extra to your car before you start crossing them of ? Because its harder to get rid of it once you have "it". Do i need a massage-seat in my car ? No ! but hell its ust 300$more, so leave it in. The same goes with the goPro Do i for sure need FullHd in 60FPS ? well dont know, but its only X $ more, so why dont go for it. Sorry for derailing your funny PoS/IPhone/ audioturntable thread....

09-15-2014, 12:54 AM	#154
H. Sapiens Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 328	My brother got a GoPro last year and I went to a shop to buy one of those accessories as a present. In the shop was a stand showcasing their products and a monitor running movies. I almost bought one of the damn things for myself right there, because that movie fueled both my wanderlust and desire to make images. Pentax never manages to excite me that way (Leica and Fuji does in other ways). I think they have to learn to speak to our emotions - and spend the money doing it. The closest they come is a photo of a K5 with some raindrops which hardly ignite my imagination. With the current strategy they have to have the best spec and measured performance on every product and that is an impossible task. I am sure all the motorcyclists I see using GoPro didn't buy after spending days on photography forums comparing specs.

09-15-2014, 04:55 AM	#155
D1N0 Pentaxian Join Date: May 2012 Location: --- Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,802	Originally posted by H. Sapiens My brother got a GoPro last year and I went to a shop to buy one of those accessories as a present. In the shop was a stand showcasing their products and a monitor running movies. I almost bought one of the damn things for myself right there, because that movie fueled both my wanderlust and desire to make images. Pentax never manages to excite me that way (Leica and Fuji does in other ways). I think they have to learn to speak to our emotions - and spend the money doing it. The closest they come is a photo of a K5 with some raindrops which hardly ignite my imagination. With the current strategy they have to have the best spec and measured performance on every product and that is an impossible task. I am sure all the motorcyclists I see using GoPro didn't buy after spending days on photography forums comparing specs. That's just not what Pentax-ricoh is. They suck at it. Look at the K-s1. They should just focus on making the best bang for buck camera's.

09-15-2014, 10:03 AM	#156
Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,527	*Kunzite*, this one is for you: Panasonic Lumix DMC-CM1, a smartphone with a 1" sensor and a 28mm f/2.8 lens. LUMIX CM1 Smart Camera - Kamera oder Smartphone? - Systemkamera Blog Panasonic Lumix CM1 : le photophone à capteur 1 pouce et sous Android \| Pixelistes By the way, you can keep the car too, I prefer my Jaguar .

09-15-2014, 10:52 AM	#157
LeeRunge Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 993	That CM1 is actually very attractive. I have my smartphone on my always but not a camera. ( I can't stand smartphone camera's lack of control and poor quality) It would probably get shaken apart....but that on a RAM mount on a bike would cover navigation and photo's.

09-15-2014, 11:15 AM	#158
mrNewt Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: ON, RH Posts: 2,181	I would buy one of these for $150 without any issues... but not for what it will sell now. I got my Sony Action cam for $150 with all the attachments and options it comes with - except the screen attachment. But even that I can buy for another $100. So with $250 you already have a camera with better specs and performance than this...

09-15-2014, 11:35 AM	#159
D1N0 Pentaxian Join Date: May 2012 Location: --- Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,802	Is it a phone that can take pictures or a camera you can call with?

09-15-2014, 12:25 PM	#160
Nicolas06 Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 4,854	Originally posted by mrNewt I would buy one of these for $150 without any issues... but not for what it will sell now. I got my Sony Action cam for $150 with all the attachments and options it comes with - except the screen attachment. But even that I can buy for another $100. So with $250 you already have a camera with better specs and performance than this... I really doubt you would have an 1" on a $150 camera... That's more $400.

09-15-2014, 12:39 PM	#161
Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,527	Price in France and Germany will be €899, i.e. $969.

09-15-2014, 12:51 PM	#162
ZombieArmy Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Florida Posts: 3,210	Originally posted by Mistral75 Price in France and Germany will be €899, i.e. $969. That's just obnoxious for any smart phone. Even the flagship Samsung and HTC phones don't cost that much out of contract. ...by a few hundred dollars no less.

09-15-2014, 12:55 PM	#163
Zygonyx Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Ile de France Posts: 4,033	Yes, that price is really gogo's theft.... Moreover for a simple 28mm fixed lens.

09-15-2014, 12:57 PM	#164
RonHendriks1966 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,675	Originally posted by Mistral75 *Kunzite*, this one is for you: Panasonic Lumix DMC-CM1, a smartphone with a 1" sensor and a 28mm f/2.8 lens. LUMIX CM1 Smart Camera - Kamera oder Smartphone? - Systemkamera Blog Panasonic Lumix CM1 : le photophone à capteur 1 pouce et sous Android \| Pixelistes Not on that price. (899 euro)

09-15-2014, 01:00 PM	#165
Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,527	Originally posted by ZombieArmy That's just obnoxious for any smart phone. Even the flagship Samsung and HTC phones don't cost that much out of contract. ...by a few hundred dollars no less. Geeks and other early adopters are cows that one may and shall milk.