HD PENTAX-DA 16-85mm F3.5-5.6ED DC WR

**Aristophanes** · 09-16-2014, 06:11 AM

Originally posted by Deimos

"High magnification super-telephoto zoom lens"

Hmmmm...

....double duty as a long macro?

bossa · 09-16-2014, 06:13 AM

Originally posted by Aristophanes

Hmmmm...

....double duty as a long macro?

Perhaps that circular button is a "macro mode" button.

---------- Post added 16-09-14 at 10:51 PM ----------

These lenses are probably empty shells (apart from perhaps the W/A zoom) and the final lenses may never see the light of day. And if they are indeed FF lenses (the 70-200 probably is) I doubt they'd release them until the camera was also ready. Surely they would also release a 24-70 FF and at least a W/A prime? Perhaps they plan to update the FA limiteds for this purpose.

**filoxophy** · 09-16-2014, 06:22 AM

Originally posted by bossa

Perhaps that circular button is a "macro mode" button.

I'd say "high magnification" is "long tele zoom" lost in translation...

JinDesu · 09-16-2014, 06:29 AM

Originally posted by angus

Will try to find out more on Friday, but I guess they won't let the cat out of the bag as they haven't done so already. Just hope that they'll feature the DC-drive rather than the revised SDM. I'm not so bothered about in lens OS, quite happy with the in-body solution with my 250-600 and I've yet to see a test which really proves one or the other to be better. A portable long zoom with high quality would be really nice...

Just for clarity - SDM isn't literally one motor that Pentax uses in all SDM lenses. SDM just refers to ultrasonic driven motors, similar to Canon USM, Nikon SWM, and Sigma HSM. DC is a different of motor (I believe a step motor?).

SDM isn't inherently bad, since other manufacturers have working ultrasonic motors that don't fail like the one in the 16-50. In addition, the Pentax 18-270 uses a SDM motor, but the Tamron equivalent is Tamron's hypersonic motor. This leads me to believe that Pentax, instead of changing the AF motor in the 18-270, merely rebadged the motor to SDM as it is the same type of motor.

Thus, I wouldn't necessarily stigmatize SDM in a newly designed lens. As long as it literally isn't the same motor from the 16-50 and 50-135.

D1N0 · 09-16-2014, 06:36 AM

Originally posted by JinDesu

Just for clarity - SDM isn't literally one motor that Pentax uses in all SDM lenses. SDM just refers to ultrasonic driven motors, similar to Canon USM, Nikon SWM, and Sigma HSM. DC is a different of motor (I believe a step motor?).

SDM isn't inherently bad, since other manufacturers have working ultrasonic motors that don't fail like the one in the 16-50. In addition, the Pentax 18-270 uses a SDM motor, but the Tamron equivalent is Tamron's hypersonic motor. This leads me to believe that Pentax, instead of changing the AF motor in the 18-270, merely rebadged the motor to SDM as it is the same type of motor.

Thus, I wouldn't necessarily stigmatize SDM in a newly designed lens. As long as it literally isn't the same motor from the 16-50 and 50-135.

Yep Asahiman has already stated it will be a newly developed (or bought) sdm motor.

starbase218 · 09-16-2014, 06:44 AM

Originally posted by JinDesu

Thus, I wouldn't necessarily stigmatize SDM in a newly designed lens. As long as it literally isn't the same motor from the 16-50 and 50-135.

True, but from a marketing perspective, it may be worth it to call it something different than SDM. A lot of people associate the SDM acronym with bad reliability.

gazonk · 09-16-2014, 06:45 AM

Originally posted by Clavius

All three 16-45 suffered wobbly barrels after some time.

Mine too. In landscape direction it usually does fine, but in portrait direction I have to give it a little support with my finger to avoid unsharpness because of decentering

I haven't used it for a while now, I usually keep the DA15 - DA35Ltd - DA70 combo in my bag. Maybe I should give it to my son, after all it can - despite the slight decentering problems @16mm - give much more pleasing results than the 18-55 he is using.

D1N0 · 09-16-2014, 06:50 AM

Originally posted by starbase218

True, but from a marketing perspective, it may be worth it to call it something different than SDM. A lot of people associate the SDM acronym with bad reliability.

Just call it SDM II

**boriscleto** · 09-16-2014, 06:52 AM

Originally posted by D1N0

Just call it SDM II

Or just avoid the negative connotations of SDM altogether and call it DC...

y0chang · 09-16-2014, 07:03 AM

The 2mm difference field of view difference is huge. 16mm in crop is the same as 24mm in FF...I consider the 24mm the perfect landscape lens, not too wide not too narrow. Its very cinematic because many wide angles in films were shot at 24mm.

angus · 09-16-2014, 07:11 AM

My main concern with the SDM is that my 200 DA* is rather slow even after it has been revamped after a recent breakdown. Even if reliability might be back speed is definitely not there..

On another issue - going by a comparison of the lens front and the lens cap at the end I would guess the lens diameter on the smaller of the 2 newcomers to be 77mm and the other considerably bigger. That would definitely put it at 2.8 and the other? Any guesses?

**Rondec** · 09-16-2014, 07:17 AM

Originally posted by angus

My main concern with the SDM is that my 200 DA* is rather slow even after it has been revamped after a recent breakdown. Even if reliability might be back speed is definitely not there..

On another issue - going by a comparison of the lens front and the lens cap at the end I would guess the lens diameter on the smaller of the 2 newcomers to be 77mm and the other considerably bigger. That would definitely put it at 2.8 and the other? Any guesses?

I bet this will be a faster focusing lens, more optimized for auto focus. The focus ring on this lens is pretty small, meaning manual focus is an after thought. If they have a short focus throw on it, then odds are it will focus faster, even with the same motor. Lens elements may be lighter as well, so that might help out some, as well.

JinDesu · 09-16-2014, 07:27 AM

Originally posted by Rondec

I bet this will be a faster focusing lens, more optimized for auto focus. The focus ring on this lens is pretty small, meaning manual focus is an after thought. If they have a short focus throw on it, then odds are it will focus faster, even with the same motor. Lens elements may be lighter as well, so that might help out some, as well.

Now that you mention it, it's interesting that the focus ring is in the back and the zoom is in the front. That would imply the focusing element is towards the back of the lens (unless I am mistaken), and it may be a smaller/lighter element.

This appears true for the long telezoom lens. Given the similar finish, I would also hazard a guess that the long telezoom is also WR.

**boriscleto** · 09-16-2014, 07:29 AM

Originally posted by JinDesu

Now that you mention it, it's interesting that the focus ring is in the back and the zoom is in the front. That would imply the focusing element is towards the back of the lens (unless I am mistaken), and it may be a smaller/lighter element.

This appears true for the long telezoom lens. Given the similar finish, I would also hazard a guess that the long telezoom is also WR.

It is also how Sigma designs its lenses. Maybe the long tele zoom is just a rebadged Sigma. Or the people who designed it came from Sigma. Maybe that is why Sigma isn't releasing many Pentax lenses. The K-mount people went to work for Ricoh...

D1N0 · 09-16-2014, 07:35 AM

Hopefully the old SDM engines will be replaced for more reliable and faster ones when the DA* lenses are upgrade to the HD coating. Boriscleto. DC is a different technology from SDM. It's a direct current motor. SDM is a piezo electric ultrasonic driven motor. So calling an SDM motor DC, would be wrong.

09-16-2014, 06:13 AM	#212
bossa Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Adelaide Posts: 4,546	Originally posted by Aristophanes Hmmmm... ....double duty as a long macro? Perhaps that circular button is a "macro mode" button. ---------- Post added 16-09-14 at 10:51 PM ---------- These lenses are probably empty shells (apart from perhaps the W/A zoom) and the final lenses may never see the light of day. And if they are indeed FF lenses (the 70-200 probably is) I doubt they'd release them until the camera was also ready. Surely they would also release a 24-70 FF and at least a W/A prime? Perhaps they plan to update the FA limiteds for this purpose. Last edited by bossa; 09-16-2014 at 06:22 AM.

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09-16-2014, 06:11 AM	#211
Aristophanes Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Rankin Inlet, Nunavut Photos: Albums Posts: 3,948	Originally posted by Deimos "High magnification super-telephoto zoom lens" Hmmmm... ....double duty as a long macro?

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filoxophy Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Albuquerque Posts: 1,132	Originally posted by bossa Perhaps that circular button is a "macro mode" button. I'd say "high magnification" is "long tele zoom" lost in translation...

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JinDesu Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: New York City Photos: Gallery Posts: 5,638	Originally posted by angus Will try to find out more on Friday, but I guess they won't let the cat out of the bag as they haven't done so already. Just hope that they'll feature the DC-drive rather than the revised SDM. I'm not so bothered about in lens OS, quite happy with the in-body solution with my 250-600 and I've yet to see a test which really proves one or the other to be better. A portable long zoom with high quality would be really nice... Just for clarity - SDM isn't literally one motor that Pentax uses in all SDM lenses. SDM just refers to ultrasonic driven motors, similar to Canon USM, Nikon SWM, and Sigma HSM. DC is a different of motor (I believe a step motor?). SDM isn't inherently bad, since other manufacturers have working ultrasonic motors that don't fail like the one in the 16-50. In addition, the Pentax 18-270 uses a SDM motor, but the Tamron equivalent is Tamron's hypersonic motor. This leads me to believe that Pentax, instead of changing the AF motor in the 18-270, merely rebadged the motor to SDM as it is the same type of motor. Thus, I wouldn't necessarily stigmatize SDM in a newly designed lens. As long as it literally isn't the same motor from the 16-50 and 50-135.

09-16-2014, 06:36 AM	#215
D1N0 Pentaxian Join Date: May 2012 Location: --- Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,802	Originally posted by JinDesu Just for clarity - SDM isn't literally one motor that Pentax uses in all SDM lenses. SDM just refers to ultrasonic driven motors, similar to Canon USM, Nikon SWM, and Sigma HSM. DC is a different of motor (I believe a step motor?). SDM isn't inherently bad, since other manufacturers have working ultrasonic motors that don't fail like the one in the 16-50. In addition, the Pentax 18-270 uses a SDM motor, but the Tamron equivalent is Tamron's hypersonic motor. This leads me to believe that Pentax, instead of changing the AF motor in the 18-270, merely rebadged the motor to SDM as it is the same type of motor. Thus, I wouldn't necessarily stigmatize SDM in a newly designed lens. As long as it literally isn't the same motor from the 16-50 and 50-135. Yep Asahiman has already stated it will be a newly developed (or bought) sdm motor.

09-16-2014, 06:44 AM	#216
starbase218 Inactive Account Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Planet Earth, Sol system, Milky Way galaxy, Universe Posts: 1,119	Originally posted by JinDesu Thus, I wouldn't necessarily stigmatize SDM in a newly designed lens. As long as it literally isn't the same motor from the 16-50 and 50-135. True, but from a marketing perspective, it may be worth it to call it something different than SDM. A lot of people associate the SDM acronym with bad reliability.

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gazonk Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Oslo area, Norway Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,746	Originally posted by Clavius All three 16-45 suffered wobbly barrels after some time. Mine too. In landscape direction it usually does fine, but in portrait direction I have to give it a little support with my finger to avoid unsharpness because of decentering I haven't used it for a while now, I usually keep the DA15 - DA35Ltd - DA70 combo in my bag. Maybe I should give it to my son, after all it can - despite the slight decentering problems @16mm - give much more pleasing results than the 18-55 he is using.

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D1N0 Pentaxian Join Date: May 2012 Location: --- Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,802	Originally posted by starbase218 True, but from a marketing perspective, it may be worth it to call it something different than SDM. A lot of people associate the SDM acronym with bad reliability. Just call it SDM II

09-16-2014, 06:52 AM	#219
boriscleto Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: North Syracuse, NY Photos: Gallery Posts: 16,475	Originally posted by D1N0 Just call it SDM II Or just avoid the negative connotations of SDM altogether and call it DC...

09-16-2014, 07:03 AM	#220
y0chang Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: United States Posts: 793	The 2mm difference field of view difference is huge. 16mm in crop is the same as 24mm in FF...I consider the 24mm the perfect landscape lens, not too wide not too narrow. Its very cinematic because many wide angles in films were shot at 24mm.

09-16-2014, 07:11 AM	#221
angus Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Germany Photos: Gallery Posts: 98	My main concern with the SDM is that my 200 DA* is rather slow even after it has been revamped after a recent breakdown. Even if reliability might be back speed is definitely not there.. On another issue - going by a comparison of the lens front and the lens cap at the end I would guess the lens diameter on the smaller of the 2 newcomers to be 77mm and the other considerably bigger. That would definitely put it at 2.8 and the other? Any guesses?

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09-16-2014, 07:17 AM	#222
Rondec Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 27,652	Originally posted by angus My main concern with the SDM is that my 200 DA* is rather slow even after it has been revamped after a recent breakdown. Even if reliability might be back speed is definitely not there.. On another issue - going by a comparison of the lens front and the lens cap at the end I would guess the lens diameter on the smaller of the 2 newcomers to be 77mm and the other considerably bigger. That would definitely put it at 2.8 and the other? Any guesses? I bet this will be a faster focusing lens, more optimized for auto focus. The focus ring on this lens is pretty small, meaning manual focus is an after thought. If they have a short focus throw on it, then odds are it will focus faster, even with the same motor. Lens elements may be lighter as well, so that might help out some, as well.

09-16-2014, 07:27 AM	#223
JinDesu Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: New York City Photos: Gallery Posts: 5,638	Originally posted by Rondec I bet this will be a faster focusing lens, more optimized for auto focus. The focus ring on this lens is pretty small, meaning manual focus is an after thought. If they have a short focus throw on it, then odds are it will focus faster, even with the same motor. Lens elements may be lighter as well, so that might help out some, as well. Now that you mention it, it's interesting that the focus ring is in the back and the zoom is in the front. That would imply the focusing element is towards the back of the lens (unless I am mistaken), and it may be a smaller/lighter element. This appears true for the long telezoom lens. Given the similar finish, I would also hazard a guess that the long telezoom is also WR.

09-16-2014, 07:29 AM	#224
boriscleto Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: North Syracuse, NY Photos: Gallery Posts: 16,475	Originally posted by JinDesu Now that you mention it, it's interesting that the focus ring is in the back and the zoom is in the front. That would imply the focusing element is towards the back of the lens (unless I am mistaken), and it may be a smaller/lighter element. This appears true for the long telezoom lens. Given the similar finish, I would also hazard a guess that the long telezoom is also WR. It is also how Sigma designs its lenses. Maybe the long tele zoom is just a rebadged Sigma. Or the people who designed it came from Sigma. Maybe that is why Sigma isn't releasing many Pentax lenses. The K-mount people went to work for Ricoh...

09-16-2014, 07:35 AM	#225
D1N0 Pentaxian Join Date: May 2012 Location: --- Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,802	Hopefully the old SDM engines will be replaced for more reliable and faster ones when the DA* lenses are upgrade to the HD coating. Boriscleto. DC is a different technology from SDM. It's a direct current motor. SDM is a piezo electric ultrasonic driven motor. So calling an SDM motor DC, would be wrong.