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09-17-2014, 12:54 AM   #286
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I'm slightly worried about the direction Pentax is taking with lens size. If this lens is really good, its size isn't really that annoying since it could e.g. replace the 16-45 + 70 combo I've often used. BUT the most recent zoom from Pentax before the 16-85 is the crazy huge DA645 28-45, which is almost three times as big as the old FA645 33-55!

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QuoteOriginally posted by DeadJohn Quote
Or maybe that Ken Stone-bad guy, but he's just misinformed rather than targeting Pentax.
The funny thing is, I actually like Mr Rocky, I just find that he has too much influence in regards to amateur photographers who cannot separate his personal opinion from the actually useful information in the article.
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Pentax is not strong in developing zoom lenses. Add low QC and we will get the lottery.
That's why I don't understand why Ricoh try to produce new zooms. It's normal for Pentax zoom that it's could be decentring and has BF at wide angle and FF at long end. Or otherwise.

The system has no any all-weather wide prime. And no any prime between 21-31 mm.
Between 12 till 200 mm - only DA*55 has good WR, DFA100 macro has simple WR.

To make landscapes and street photos in time of no good weather is necessity for system where cameras has good WR.
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Wait - so Ricoh's Siberian Rep made you an insider promise that didn't come true last year and you feel like a fool? Don't take it so personally. Happens all the time.

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QuoteOriginally posted by ogl Quote
Pentax is not strong in developing zoom lenses. Add low QC and we will get the lottery.
That's why I don't understand why Ricoh try to produce new zooms. It's normal for Pentax zoom that it's could be decentring and has BF at wide angle and FF at long end. Or otherwise.
Maybe Ricoh is better at developing them?

But I agree, more fast primes would be great. A DA* 35/1.4 and DA* 75/1.4 (I think 55mm is too short for portraits) come to mind. And people seem to want a fast 24 or 28mm lens too.

OTOH, most of the current primes are nice and small limiteds. DA* 1.4s would not be small.
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QuoteOriginally posted by ogl Quote
Pentax is not strong in developing zoom lenses. Add low QC and we will get the lottery.
That's why I don't understand why Ricoh try to produce new zooms. It's normal for Pentax zoom that it's could be decentring and has BF at wide angle and FF at long end. Or otherwise.

The system has no any all-weather wide prime. And no any prime between 21-31 mm.
Between 12 till 200 mm - only DA*55 has good WR, DFA100 macro has simple WR.

To make landscapes and street photos in time of no good weather is necessity for system where cameras has good WR.
My guess, ogl, is that they are moving their focus from APS-C to full frame. They feel like the DA line up is adequate, if not great. We are probably more likely to see sealed new full frame lenses, FA limiteds in particular, than a sealed APS-C 12-24.
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QuoteOriginally posted by ogl Quote
Pentax is not strong in developing zoom lenses. Add low QC and we will get the lottery.
That's why I don't understand why Ricoh try to produce new zooms. It's normal for Pentax zoom that it's could be decentring and has BF at wide angle and FF at long end. Or otherwise.

The system has no any all-weather wide prime. And no any prime between 21-31 mm.
Between 12 till 200 mm - only DA*55 has good WR, DFA100 macro has simple WR.

To make landscapes and street photos in time of no good weather is necessity for system where cameras has good WR.
Even if the consumer DA55-300 WR is a "slow zoom" I dare say that it is a really good lens for its price. The 50-135 is no slacker either. But I do agree with the lineup currently missing a wide angle WR prime.

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My guess, ogl, is that they are moving their focus from APS-C to full frame. They feel like the DA line up is adequate, if not great. We are probably more likely to see sealed new full frame lenses, FA limiteds in particular, than a sealed APS-C 12-24.


Of the "2014 or later" lenses in the roadmap, only the "wide zoom" is missing a prototype. I think a 12-24 or so update should be next
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QuoteOriginally posted by Rondec Quote
My guess, ogl, is that they are moving their focus from APS-C to full frame. They feel like the DA line up is adequate, if not great. We are probably more likely to see sealed new full frame lenses, FA limiteds in particular, than a sealed APS-C 12-24.
Ricoh and FF? It's nonsense. No any FF primes in roadmap.

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QuoteOriginally posted by ogl Quote
Ricoh and FF? It's nonsense. No any FF primes in roadmap.
Maybe because there already are FA limited Primes? 31 43 77. The 35 and 50 DA's only have to be renamed to DFA.
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The DFA 100 macro is also FF-compatible.
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QuoteOriginally posted by D1N0 Quote
Maybe because there already are FA limited Primes? 31 43 77. The 35 and 50 DA's only have to be renamed to DFA.
I mean new primes. It is easy to understand.
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QuoteOriginally posted by ogl Quote
Ricoh and FF? It's nonsense. No any FF primes in roadmap.
The only full frame prime needed would be a 20-ish weather sealed prime (and a reboot of the FA limiteds). You would have then 20mm--31mm--43mm--50mm-55mm-77mm--100mm--200mm--300mm that are fine with full frame. That feels like a solid prime line up to me.
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QuoteOriginally posted by ogl Quote
Ricoh and FF? It's nonsense. No any FF primes in roadmap.
Two '2014 or later' lenses on the roadmap are explicitly not DA lenses: '* Tele Zoom' (since first appearance) and 'Tele Zoom' (since the latest version of the roadmap; it was before designated as 'DA Tele Zoom').
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QuoteOriginally posted by ogl Quote
I mean new primes. It is easy to understand.
Maybe because they won't announce new stuff until they announce a FF. In fact all DA primes from the DA 35mm F2.4 Al upwards are FF compatible. (except the macro 35mm 2.8). Pentax will need the following lenses for FF first 24-70 F2.8 (and a cheaper F4 or 3.5 5.6) 24-120ish. 70-300 (maybe the 55-300 will work by redesigning it a bit.) 70-200 and 150-450 are already on the roadmap. Third Party 70-300 zooms are already FF. And of course a new 12-24 but (there is a Sigma for that as well). So when they get their zooms in order, Pentax can go ahead with FF.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Mistral75 Quote
Two '2014 or later' lenses on the roadmap are explicitly not DA lenses: '* Tele Zoom' (since first appearance) and 'Tele Zoom' (since the latest version of the roadmap; it was before designated as 'DA Tele Zoom').
That's a pretty good plot twist... well spotted
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