Originally posted by thibs For the same reasons a 50mm prime would no be a downgrade to a 18-135.
Funny on many levels... since the 50s used to be the kit lenses.
The 16-85 and 18-135 are both zooms. Neither of them can be considered to be an upgrade to a prime in the primes focal length. So no, it's not the same.
If you have a situation where you want to shoot at 50mm... no zoom is going to give you what a 50 will, so I guess all zooms would be downgrades from a 50, so you really haven't made a point when comparing these two lenses.
Here's the problem, The 18-135 has excellent centre sharpness all through it's range... and good edge to edge sharpness up to 50mm... but it's CA numbers aren't the best.
So the areas where the 16-85 could be considered an upgrade to it would be control of aberrations, edge sharpness over 50mm and 16-18 mm, which is a pretty small difference.
The areas in which the 18-135 will be an upgrade over the 16-85... focal from 85-135... , the 18-135 has excellent centre sharpness in13 of 18 test focal lengths and F-stops combinations on photozone. If you've done any research at all on zooms, you know that without going to DA* lenses, that's going to be tough to match. I've already made the mistake once of going to a zoom with better edge to edge performance, but less centre sharpness. It turns out centre sharpness is a much bigger deal than I imagined, and edge sharpness is often irrelevant. But that's "the way people take pictures, not the way numerical evaluation of lenses works". SO from my perspective, it's probably not going to be better than the 18-135 in IQ. It's only hope is in CA control, and it's really hard to implement stellar CA control on a zoom. They are invariably inferior to the best primes.
Check the ratings for the DA*s if you don't believe me, near prime quality for resolution, but usually much higher CA values. And regardless of what people will say about it being correctable, it isn't. You can correct it so you don't see it, but you can't correct it so you get back the micro-contrast you would have had , had you used a prime. Both my Sigma 70 and Tamron 90 give me better better micro contrast than my DA*60-250... but you have to really nit pick to see it.
There just isn't that much room for improvement over the 18-135, straight up in IQ.