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11-13-2014, 11:31 AM   #541
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I don't expect it to be stellar, just a decent zoom.

11-13-2014, 11:40 AM   #542
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QuoteOriginally posted by D1N0 Quote
I don't expect it to be stellar, just a decent zoom.
For 750$? You can get a 18-135mm for 500$, so this has better be good, unless you value that highly those 2mm at the wide end.
If that's the case, for about the same price of the 18-135mm you can get the 16-45mm, which hasn't got the reach of this new model, but is a constant f/4.

I'm probably repeating what has already been said, but I see this as a middle-ground solution which isn't really appealing, at least for me... unless IQ is very high, of course...

I am aware that street price is probably going to decrease in a little while, though...
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I expect that price to drop after a couple months, that might make the lens nore attactive.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Na Horuk Quote
I expect that price to drop after a couple months, that might make the lens nore attactive.
That's what happened with the DA 18-135.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Na Horuk Quote
I expect that price to drop after a couple months, that might make the lens nore attactive.
Yeah, but how much?
The 18-135 was 600GBP at launch, now is around 350GBP...
Even at about the same price I'd go either with reach (18-135) or speed (16-45)...
Personal preference, of course, but I can't seem to find it attractive, unless, as I stated, IQ is very good.
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QuoteOriginally posted by LensBeginner Quote
Yeah, but how much?
The 18-135 was 600GBP at launch, now is around 350GBP...
Even at about the same price I'd go either with reach (18-135) or speed (16-45)...
Personal preference, of course, but I can't seem to find it attractive, unless, as I stated, IQ is very good.
Is the DA 16-45 really any faster than the DA 16-85? My guess (until the lens is released) is the aperture won't be significantly different than f/4 at 45 mm.
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If it matches the reputation of the Nikon equivalent, it won't be a fast lens, but it will be very sharp.
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QuoteOriginally posted by IchabodCrane Quote
Is the DA 16-45 really any faster than the DA 16-85? My guess (until the lens is released) is the aperture won't be significantly different than f/4 at 45 mm.
My guess it will be from 4.5 to 4.8 at 45mm, which would be slower, but its still quabbling about 1/3 to 1/2 a stop. Pentax really must want good edge performance to have such a large front element and it still be 3.5-5.6.

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can someone point me to the current lens road map please?

found it here, looks like some changes to words has happened in the lenses to come
http://www.ricoh-imaging.co.jp/english/products/lens/k/

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QuoteOriginally posted by y0chang Quote
My guess it will be from 4.5 to 4.8 at 45mm, which would be slower, but its still quabbling about 1/3 to 1/2 a stop. Pentax really must want good edge performance to have such a large front element and it still be 3.5-5.6.
Well Pentax does have a history of preferring... well pretty much anything over speed when it comes to glass.
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QuoteOriginally posted by cxdoo Quote
Well Pentax does have a history of preferring... well pretty much anything over speed when it comes to glass.
And I think it makes sense, especially for this lens. What do you need speed for? Sports, but for that you use a fast tele. Street in the evening or at night? Use a fast prime. Wildlife at dusk or dawn? Again, fast tele.

I see this lens as a capable, all-purpose outdoor lens.
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QuoteOriginally posted by FantasticMrFox Quote
And I think it makes sense, especially for this lens. What do you need speed for? Sports, but for that you use a fast tele. Street in the evening or at night? Use a fast prime. Wildlife at dusk or dawn? Again, fast tele.

I see this lens as a capable, all-purpose outdoor lens.
I'm not being critical of their philosophy, just pointing out. All that glass at relatively slow speed indicates either a great IQ or a massive failure.
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Its not that much smaller/lighter than the 16-50mm DA* ....

16-85mm HD 16-50mm DA* 18-135mm WR 20-40mm HD
Filter size 72mm 77mm 62mm 55mm
Diameter x length 78 x 94 mm 84 x 98.5 mm 73 x 76 mm 71 x 68.5 mm
Weight 488g 565g 405g 283g

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QuoteOriginally posted by beachgardener Quote
can someone point me to the current lens road map please?

found it here, looks like some changes to words has happened in the lenses to come
K-mount Lenses / Lenses / Products | RICOH IMAGING
Indeed, the K-mount roadmap has been slightly and silently updated.

In the framework of their announcement at Photokina, Ricoh published the following roadmap on September 16th:



Since then, but I only discovered it this morning thanks to your post, they have published the following one:



Both are labelled as "Updated: September 2014". The only differences I can see are that the former * Tele Zoom has become the Large diameter telephoto zoom and the former Tele Zoom has become the High magnification super-telephoto zoom, i.e. the denominations of the mock-ups shown under glass at Photokina.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Mistral75 Quote
*snip*
Both are labelled as "Updated: September 2014". The only differences I can see are that the former * Tele Zoom has become the Large diameter telephoto zoom and the former Tele Zoom has become the High magnification super-telephoto zoom, i.e. the denominations of the mock-ups shown under glass at Photokina.
What can we infer from that "large diameter" wording? Also "large(r) image circle"?
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