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11-22-2014, 03:01 AM   #601
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Yodobashi's price includes 8% tax. Bic Camera is before tax. But in both cases you'd get 10% back in store points, so if you're happy with that, it works out about the same as Naniwa in the end.

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QuoteOriginally posted by JPT Quote
Yodobashi's price includes 8% tax. Bic Camera is before tax. But in both cases you'd get 10% back in store points, so if you're happy with that, it works out about the same as Naniwa in the end.
Duh! marketing!
Just like when I went to Japan, they refused to make me pay without taxes because I had a working visa, but they applied a 5% discount anyhow.
No amount of bargaining could make them change a dime of the final price.
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Let's judge over other things than just sharpness. Contrast is an important part of the IQ as well. IMO the contrast seems pretty decent. Flaring seems to be nicely controlled as well, thanks to the HD-Coating.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Jantus Quote
Let's judge over other things than just sharpness.
Yeah, but we have become a people addicted to sharpness ... which is why I usually use the term "needle sharp" instead of "razor sharp" or "tack sharp"

11-22-2014, 08:42 AM   #605
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QuoteOriginally posted by Jantus Quote
Let's judge over other things than just sharpness. Contrast is an important part of the IQ as well. IMO the contrast seems pretty decent. Flaring seems to be nicely controlled as well, thanks to the HD-Coating.
IMHO contrast is much easier to bump than sharpness (at least without unpleasant side effects) when developing from RAW.
That's part of the reason why, I believe...
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QuoteOriginally posted by Jantus Quote
Let's judge over other things than just sharpness. Contrast is an important part of the IQ as well. IMO the contrast seems pretty decent. Flaring seems to be nicely controlled as well, thanks to the HD-Coating.
But for "other things than just sharpness", the DA 18-135 seems to do very well. So if the new 16-85 isn't appreciably sharper - particularly on the edges - than the 18-135, then the 16-85 is a failure, IMO.

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Yeah, but we have become a people addicted to sharpness ... which is why I usually use the term "needle sharp" instead of "razor sharp" or "tack sharp"
Yes, its annoying that there are many folks with whom you cannot discuss lenses because the first thing they do is look at the measurements by DXO and Photozone.
11-22-2014, 12:17 PM   #607
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When you buy a sharp lens all your pictures will rock! They will be tack sharp and you will be satisfied that you are a good photographer.

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When you buy a sharp lens all your pictures will rock! They will be tack sharp and you will be satisfied that you are a good photographer.
and i will only buy a lens that has character. sharpness is overrated
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Yes, but if you want to stop general Pentax-bashing, you need the better sharpness ever...
11-22-2014, 02:13 PM   #611
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Any 16mm f8 shots with focused edges yet?
Can't really judge the edge sharpness for landscapes otherwise. That being said it would be nice if pentax would make a wide angle zoom with good edge sharpness stopped down.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Zygonyx Quote
Yes, but if you want to stop general Pentax-bashing, you need the better sharpness ever...
Since the only point of this lens is to compete with the other lot(s), it is interesting to see how good/bad those are.

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QuoteOriginally posted by robjmitchell Quote
Any 16mm f8 shots with focused edges yet?
Can't really judge the edge sharpness for landscapes otherwise. That being said it would be nice if pentax would make a wide angle zoom with good edge sharpness stopped down.
Wouldn't the DA 12-24 qualify? It's sharper than the DA 15.
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Wouldn't the DA 12-24 qualify? It's sharper than the DA 15.
First thing I thought of.

Also, according to Photozone, the 16-45 & 16-50 both do well.
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QuoteOriginally posted by luftfluss Quote
But for "other things than just sharpness", the DA 18-135 seems to do very well. So if the new 16-85 isn't appreciably sharper - particularly on the edges - than the 18-135, then the 16-85 is a failure, IMO.

(...).
Sharpness is not the alpha and the omega for a lens. One can also take advantage of less distortion, less lateral chromatic aberration, less astigmatism (for a more pleasant bokeh for instance), less coma in the corners and so on.

If only 'pure' sharpness mattered, the FA Limiteds would be considered as second-tier lenses, which they definitely aren't.

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