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12-07-2014, 05:10 PM   #751
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Beholder3 posted some new full sized but sharpened and slightly compressed images in the german forum:

DSLR-Forum - Einzelnen Beitrag anzeigen - Objektiv HD PENTAX-DA 16-85mm F3.5-5.6ED DC WR

He excuses for the uploader-caused sharpening and compressing and describes the bokeh and macro as nice

12-08-2014, 01:06 AM   #752
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QuoteOriginally posted by Jantus Quote
Beholder3 posted some new full sized but sharpened and slightly compressed images in the german forum:

DSLR-Forum - Einzelnen Beitrag anzeigen - Objektiv HD PENTAX-DA 16-85mm F3.5-5.6ED DC WR

He excuses for the uploader-caused sharpening and compressing and describes the bokeh and macro as nice
One can see that as quite bad... But on the opposite, except when testing the gear, one is likely to finally publish the photo in a compressed format (like JPEG) and to post process it too to get the colors, framing and other things he want (or at least let the jpeg engine do it).

I routinely see the effect of post processing on my photos. Even the best lenses out there provide so-so photos in many conditions and post processing often transform them in real nice photos.

While I agree we should test the lense, in isolation, what really count is the final result. To me there would be more sense to compare lenses once post processed to see how they really contribute to the final product. In many case screens on review from highend lense look worse that what an entry level lens provide... They keep on purpose all the optical problems that all Jpeg engine, lightroom or DxO now remove automatically. They also never push the color or exposure or reframing... Providing in the end so-so photos from the best lenses.

For me it is the final result that count... and one should prove a more expensive lense can do provide a better final result. Not just emphatise issues that are now automatically corrected by most tools.

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So, do we have a review comparing this to 18-55, 18-135 or 16-50? it's been a month since it's in the wild and still very little is known.
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Any review covering all important areas such as IQ, autofocus and so on would be quite welcome

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QuoteOriginally posted by cxdoo Quote
So, do we have a review comparing this to 18-55, 18-135 or 16-50? it's been a month since it's in the wild and still very little is known.
The 16-85mm was announced two months ago, with a projected release in November. November has come and gone and it's still not on the shelf, only available for pre-order according to the B&H site this morning.
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QuoteOriginally posted by audiobomber Quote
The 16-85mm was announced two months ago, with a projected release in November. November has come and gone and it's still not on the shelf, only available for pre-order according to the B&H site this morning.

Um, I was under the impression it was available, at least that's what I understood from short messages here and there from people who got it. Strange no one released anything comprehensive yet; apart from random photos from random blogs there's nothing.
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QuoteOriginally posted by cxdoo Quote
Um, I was under the impression it was available, at least that's what I understood from short messages here and there from people who got it. Strange no one released anything comprehensive yet; apart from random photos from random blogs there's nothing.
From what I can tell, it's only available for consumer purchase in Japan so far.
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From what I can tell, it's only available for consumer purchase in Japan so far.
in Europe as well

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QuoteOriginally posted by IchabodCrane Quote
From what I can tell, it's only available for consumer purchase in Japan so far.
No. amazon.co.uk has it for £522.
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Also now listed at a couple of Canadian dealers (Henry's for $800 and Camera Canada for $750).
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It's available in Europe. For once something we get earlier than the US
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It's available in Europe. For once something we get earlier than the US
Yes, you get to be our guinea pigs~
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Yes, you get to be our guinea pigs~
Nice, so at least we won't be used in research like rats or mice
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Also now listed at a couple of Canadian dealers (Henry's for $800 and Camera Canada for $750).
Neither have stock. Henry's says they expect to ship with 7-14 days. Camera Canada says orders will be shipped in the order received as stock comes in. I believe this is their version of a pre-order.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Jantus Quote
Any review covering all important areas such as IQ, autofocus and so on would be quite welcome
I just posted some early observations in the lens reviews section.
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