HD PENTAX-DA 16-85mm F3.5-5.6ED DC WR

D1N0 · 11-13-2014, 11:31 AM

I don't expect it to be stellar, just a decent zoom.

LensBeginner · 11-13-2014, 11:40 AM

Originally posted by D1N0

I don't expect it to be stellar, just a decent zoom.

For 750$? You can get a 18-135mm for 500$, so this has better be good, unless you value that highly those 2mm at the wide end.
If that's the case, for about the same price of the 18-135mm you can get the 16-45mm, which hasn't got the reach of this new model, but is a constant f/4.

I'm probably repeating what has already been said, but I see this as a middle-ground solution which isn't really appealing, at least for me... unless IQ is very high, of course...

I am aware that street price is probably going to decrease in a little while, though...

Na Horuk · 11-15-2014, 07:06 AM

I expect that price to drop after a couple months, that might make the lens nore attactive.

normhead · 11-15-2014, 07:09 AM

Originally posted by Na Horuk

I expect that price to drop after a couple months, that might make the lens nore attactive.

That's what happened with the DA 18-135.

LensBeginner · 11-15-2014, 07:14 AM

Originally posted by Na Horuk

I expect that price to drop after a couple months, that might make the lens nore attactive.

Yeah, but how much?
The 18-135 was 600GBP at launch, now is around 350GBP...
Even at about the same price I'd go either with reach (18-135) or speed (16-45)...
Personal preference, of course, but I can't seem to find it attractive, unless, as I stated, IQ is very good.

IchabodCrane · 11-15-2014, 09:19 AM

Originally posted by LensBeginner

Yeah, but how much?
The 18-135 was 600GBP at launch, now is around 350GBP...
Even at about the same price I'd go either with reach (18-135) or speed (16-45)...
Personal preference, of course, but I can't seem to find it attractive, unless, as I stated, IQ is very good.

Is the DA 16-45 really any faster than the DA 16-85? My guess (until the lens is released) is the aperture won't be significantly different than f/4 at 45 mm.

**Spodeworld** · 11-15-2014, 10:18 AM

If it matches the reputation of the Nikon equivalent, it won't be a fast lens, but it will be very sharp.

y0chang · 11-15-2014, 02:06 PM

Originally posted by IchabodCrane

Is the DA 16-45 really any faster than the DA 16-85? My guess (until the lens is released) is the aperture won't be significantly different than f/4 at 45 mm.

My guess it will be from 4.5 to 4.8 at 45mm, which would be slower, but its still quabbling about 1/3 to 1/2 a stop. Pentax really must want good edge performance to have such a large front element and it still be 3.5-5.6.

**beachgardener** · 11-15-2014, 05:39 PM

can someone point me to the current lens road map please?

found it here, looks like some changes to words has happened in the lenses to come
http://www.ricoh-imaging.co.jp/english/products/lens/k/

cxdoo · 11-15-2014, 05:44 PM

Originally posted by y0chang

My guess it will be from 4.5 to 4.8 at 45mm, which would be slower, but its still quabbling about 1/3 to 1/2 a stop. Pentax really must want good edge performance to have such a large front element and it still be 3.5-5.6.

Well Pentax does have a history of preferring... well pretty much anything over speed when it comes to glass.

FantasticMrFox · 11-15-2014, 06:11 PM

Originally posted by cxdoo

Well Pentax does have a history of preferring... well pretty much anything over speed when it comes to glass.

And I think it makes sense, especially for this lens. What do you need speed for? Sports, but for that you use a fast tele. Street in the evening or at night? Use a fast prime. Wildlife at dusk or dawn? Again, fast tele.

I see this lens as a capable, all-purpose outdoor lens.

cxdoo · 11-15-2014, 06:16 PM

Originally posted by FantasticMrFox

And I think it makes sense, especially for this lens. What do you need speed for? Sports, but for that you use a fast tele. Street in the evening or at night? Use a fast prime. Wildlife at dusk or dawn? Again, fast tele.

I see this lens as a capable, all-purpose outdoor lens.

I'm not being critical of their philosophy, just pointing out. All that glass at relatively slow speed indicates either a great IQ or a massive failure.

Conqueror · 11-16-2014, 02:30 AM

Its not that much smaller/lighter than the 16-50mm DA* ....

16-85mm HD 16-50mm DA* 18-135mm WR 20-40mm HD
Filter size 72mm 77mm 62mm 55mm
Diameter x length 78 x 94 mm 84 x 98.5 mm 73 x 76 mm 71 x 68.5 mm
Weight 488g 565g 405g 283g

Mistral75 · 11-16-2014, 05:17 AM

Originally posted by beachgardener

can someone point me to the current lens road map please?

found it here, looks like some changes to words has happened in the lenses to come
K-mount Lenses / Lenses / Products | RICOH IMAGING

Indeed, the K-mount roadmap has been slightly and silently updated.

In the framework of their announcement at Photokina, Ricoh published the following roadmap on September 16th:

Since then, but I only discovered it this morning thanks to your post, they have published the following one:

Both are labelled as "Updated: September 2014". The only differences I can see are that the former * Tele Zoom has become the Large diameter telephoto zoom and the former Tele Zoom has become the High magnification super-telephoto zoom, i.e. the denominations of the mock-ups shown under glass at Photokina.

LensBeginner · 11-16-2014, 06:18 AM

Originally posted by Mistral75

*snip*
Both are labelled as "Updated: September 2014". The only differences I can see are that the former * Tele Zoom has become the Large diameter telephoto zoom and the former Tele Zoom has become the High magnification super-telephoto zoom, i.e. the denominations of the mock-ups shown under glass at Photokina.

What can we infer from that "large diameter" wording? Also "large(r) image circle"?

11-15-2014, 05:39 PM	#549
beachgardener Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,842	can someone point me to the current lens road map please? found it here, looks like some changes to words has happened in the lenses to come http://www.ricoh-imaging.co.jp/english/products/lens/k/ Last edited by beachgardener; 11-15-2014 at 05:54 PM. Reason: add info.

11-16-2014, 02:30 AM	#553
Conqueror Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: UK Posts: 440	Its not that much smaller/lighter than the 16-50mm DA* .... 16-85mm HD 16-50mm DA* 18-135mm WR 20-40mm HD Filter size 72mm 77mm 62mm 55mm Diameter x length 78 x 94 mm 84 x 98.5 mm 73 x 76 mm 71 x 68.5 mm Weight 488g 565g 405g 283g Last edited by Conqueror; 11-16-2014 at 02:37 AM.

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11-13-2014, 11:31 AM	#541
D1N0 Pentaxian Join Date: May 2012 Location: --- Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,802	I don't expect it to be stellar, just a decent zoom.

11-13-2014, 11:40 AM	#542
LensBeginner Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Photos: Albums Posts: 4,696	Originally posted by D1N0 I don't expect it to be stellar, just a decent zoom. For 750$? You can get a 18-135mm for 500$, so this has better be good, unless you value that highly those 2mm at the wide end. If that's the case, for about the same price of the 18-135mm you can get the 16-45mm, which hasn't got the reach of this new model, but is a constant f/4. I'm probably repeating what has already been said, but I see this as a middle-ground solution which isn't really appealing, at least for me... unless IQ is very high, of course... I am aware that street price is probably going to decrease in a little while, though...

11-15-2014, 07:06 AM	#543
Na Horuk Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Slovenia, probably Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 11,186	I expect that price to drop after a couple months, that might make the lens nore attactive.

11-15-2014, 07:09 AM	#544
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,451	Originally posted by Na Horuk I expect that price to drop after a couple months, that might make the lens nore attactive. That's what happened with the DA 18-135.

11-15-2014, 07:14 AM	#545
LensBeginner Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Photos: Albums Posts: 4,696	Originally posted by Na Horuk I expect that price to drop after a couple months, that might make the lens nore attactive. Yeah, but how much? The 18-135 was 600GBP at launch, now is around 350GBP... Even at about the same price I'd go either with reach (18-135) or speed (16-45)... Personal preference, of course, but I can't seem to find it attractive, unless, as I stated, IQ is very good.

11-15-2014, 09:19 AM	#546
IchabodCrane Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,728	Originally posted by LensBeginner Yeah, but how much? The 18-135 was 600GBP at launch, now is around 350GBP... Even at about the same price I'd go either with reach (18-135) or speed (16-45)... Personal preference, of course, but I can't seem to find it attractive, unless, as I stated, IQ is very good. Is the DA 16-45 really any faster than the DA 16-85? My guess (until the lens is released) is the aperture won't be significantly different than f/4 at 45 mm.

11-15-2014, 10:18 AM	#547
Spodeworld Site Supporter Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: New Joisey Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,370	If it matches the reputation of the Nikon equivalent, it won't be a fast lens, but it will be very sharp.

11-15-2014, 02:06 PM	#548
y0chang Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: United States Posts: 793	Originally posted by IchabodCrane Is the DA 16-45 really any faster than the DA 16-85? My guess (until the lens is released) is the aperture won't be significantly different than f/4 at 45 mm. My guess it will be from 4.5 to 4.8 at 45mm, which would be slower, but its still quabbling about 1/3 to 1/2 a stop. Pentax really must want good edge performance to have such a large front element and it still be 3.5-5.6.

11-15-2014, 05:44 PM	#550
cxdoo Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Limassol, Cyprus Posts: 1,150	Originally posted by y0chang My guess it will be from 4.5 to 4.8 at 45mm, which would be slower, but its still quabbling about 1/3 to 1/2 a stop. Pentax really must want good edge performance to have such a large front element and it still be 3.5-5.6. Well Pentax does have a history of preferring... well pretty much anything over speed when it comes to glass.

11-15-2014, 06:11 PM	#551
FantasticMrFox Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Munich Posts: 2,339	Originally posted by cxdoo Well Pentax does have a history of preferring... well pretty much anything over speed when it comes to glass. And I think it makes sense, especially for this lens. What do you need speed for? Sports, but for that you use a fast tele. Street in the evening or at night? Use a fast prime. Wildlife at dusk or dawn? Again, fast tele. I see this lens as a capable, all-purpose outdoor lens.

11-15-2014, 06:16 PM	#552
cxdoo Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Limassol, Cyprus Posts: 1,150	Originally posted by FantasticMrFox And I think it makes sense, especially for this lens. What do you need speed for? Sports, but for that you use a fast tele. Street in the evening or at night? Use a fast prime. Wildlife at dusk or dawn? Again, fast tele. I see this lens as a capable, all-purpose outdoor lens. I'm not being critical of their philosophy, just pointing out. All that glass at relatively slow speed indicates either a great IQ or a massive failure.

11-16-2014, 05:17 AM	#554
Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,527	Originally posted by beachgardener can someone point me to the current lens road map please? found it here, looks like some changes to words has happened in the lenses to come K-mount Lenses / Lenses / Products \| RICOH IMAGING Indeed, the K-mount roadmap has been slightly and silently updated. In the framework of their announcement at Photokina, Ricoh published the following roadmap on September 16th: Since then, but I only discovered it this morning thanks to your post, they have published the following one: Both are labelled as "Updated: September 2014". The only differences I can see are that the former * Tele Zoom has become the Large diameter telephoto zoom and the former Tele Zoom has become the High magnification super-telephoto zoom, i.e. the denominations of the mock-ups shown under glass at Photokina.

11-16-2014, 06:18 AM	#555
LensBeginner Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Photos: Albums Posts: 4,696	Originally posted by Mistral75 snip Both are labelled as "Updated: September 2014". The only differences I can see are that the former * Tele Zoom has become the Large diameter telephoto zoom and the former Tele Zoom has become the High magnification super-telephoto zoom, i.e. the denominations of the mock-ups shown under glass at Photokina. What can we infer from that "large diameter" wording? Also "large(r) image circle"?