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Jantus · 12-07-2014, 05:10 PM

Beholder3 posted some new full sized but sharpened and slightly compressed images in the german forum:

DSLR-Forum - Einzelnen Beitrag anzeigen - Objektiv HD PENTAX-DA 16-85mm F3.5-5.6ED DC WR

He excuses for the uploader-caused sharpening and compressing and describes the bokeh and macro as nice

Nicolas06 · 12-08-2014, 01:06 AM

Originally posted by Jantus

Beholder3 posted some new full sized but sharpened and slightly compressed images in the german forum:

DSLR-Forum - Einzelnen Beitrag anzeigen - Objektiv HD PENTAX-DA 16-85mm F3.5-5.6ED DC WR

He excuses for the uploader-caused sharpening and compressing and describes the bokeh and macro as nice

One can see that as quite bad... But on the opposite, except when testing the gear, one is likely to finally publish the photo in a compressed format (like JPEG) and to post process it too to get the colors, framing and other things he want (or at least let the jpeg engine do it).

I routinely see the effect of post processing on my photos. Even the best lenses out there provide so-so photos in many conditions and post processing often transform them in real nice photos.

While I agree we should test the lense, in isolation, what really count is the final result. To me there would be more sense to compare lenses once post processed to see how they really contribute to the final product. In many case screens on review from highend lense look worse that what an entry level lens provide... They keep on purpose all the optical problems that all Jpeg engine, lightroom or DxO now remove automatically. They also never push the color or exposure or reframing... Providing in the end so-so photos from the best lenses.

For me it is the final result that count... and one should prove a more expensive lense can do provide a better final result. Not just emphatise issues that are now automatically corrected by most tools.

cxdoo · 12-08-2014, 02:28 AM

So, do we have a review comparing this to 18-55, 18-135 or 16-50? it's been a month since it's in the wild and still very little is known.

Jantus · 12-08-2014, 03:15 AM

Any review covering all important areas such as IQ, autofocus and so on would be quite welcome

audiobomber · 12-08-2014, 05:21 AM

Originally posted by cxdoo

So, do we have a review comparing this to 18-55, 18-135 or 16-50? it's been a month since it's in the wild and still very little is known.

The 16-85mm was announced two months ago, with a projected release in November. November has come and gone and it's still not on the shelf, only available for pre-order according to the B&H site this morning.

cxdoo · 12-08-2014, 05:35 AM

Originally posted by audiobomber

The 16-85mm was announced two months ago, with a projected release in November. November has come and gone and it's still not on the shelf, only available for pre-order according to the B&H site this morning.

Um, I was under the impression it was available, at least that's what I understood from short messages here and there from people who got it. Strange no one released anything comprehensive yet; apart from random photos from random blogs there's nothing.

IchabodCrane · 12-08-2014, 06:04 AM

Originally posted by cxdoo

Um, I was under the impression it was available, at least that's what I understood from short messages here and there from people who got it. Strange no one released anything comprehensive yet; apart from random photos from random blogs there's nothing.

From what I can tell, it's only available for consumer purchase in Japan so far.

Franc · 12-08-2014, 08:47 AM

Originally posted by IchabodCrane

From what I can tell, it's only available for consumer purchase in Japan so far.

in Europe as well

Clothears · 12-08-2014, 09:01 AM

Originally posted by IchabodCrane

From what I can tell, it's only available for consumer purchase in Japan so far.

No. amazon.co.uk has it for £522.

Doundounba · 12-08-2014, 09:12 AM

Also now listed at a couple of Canadian dealers (Henry's for $800 and Camera Canada for $750).

FantasticMrFox · 12-08-2014, 09:52 AM

It's available in Europe. For once something we get earlier than the US

JinDesu · 12-08-2014, 10:12 AM

Originally posted by FantasticMrFox

It's available in Europe. For once something we get earlier than the US

Yes, you get to be our guinea pigs~

FantasticMrFox · 12-08-2014, 10:23 AM

Originally posted by JinDesu

Yes, you get to be our guinea pigs~

Nice, so at least we won't be used in research like rats or mice

audiobomber · 12-08-2014, 10:33 AM

Originally posted by Doundounba

Also now listed at a couple of Canadian dealers (Henry's for $800 and Camera Canada for $750).

Neither have stock. Henry's says they expect to ship with 7-14 days. Camera Canada says orders will be shipped in the order received as stock comes in. I believe this is their version of a pre-order.

flomat · 12-08-2014, 01:09 PM

Originally posted by Jantus

Any review covering all important areas such as IQ, autofocus and so on would be quite welcome

I just posted some early observations in the lens reviews section.

12-08-2014, 01:06 AM	#752
Nicolas06 Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 4,854	Originally posted by Jantus Beholder3 posted some new full sized but sharpened and slightly compressed images in the german forum: DSLR-Forum - Einzelnen Beitrag anzeigen - Objektiv HD PENTAX-DA 16-85mm F3.5-5.6ED DC WR He excuses for the uploader-caused sharpening and compressing and describes the bokeh and macro as nice One can see that as quite bad... But on the opposite, except when testing the gear, one is likely to finally publish the photo in a compressed format (like JPEG) and to post process it too to get the colors, framing and other things he want (or at least let the jpeg engine do it). I routinely see the effect of post processing on my photos. Even the best lenses out there provide so-so photos in many conditions and post processing often transform them in real nice photos. While I agree we should test the lense, in isolation, what really count is the final result. To me there would be more sense to compare lenses once post processed to see how they really contribute to the final product. In many case screens on review from highend lense look worse that what an entry level lens provide... They keep on purpose all the optical problems that all Jpeg engine, lightroom or DxO now remove automatically. They also never push the color or exposure or reframing... Providing in the end so-so photos from the best lenses. For me it is the final result that count... and one should prove a more expensive lense can do provide a better final result. Not just emphatise issues that are now automatically corrected by most tools. Last edited by Nicolas06; 12-08-2014 at 01:11 AM.

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12-07-2014, 05:10 PM	#751
Jantus New Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 14	Beholder3 posted some new full sized but sharpened and slightly compressed images in the german forum: DSLR-Forum - Einzelnen Beitrag anzeigen - Objektiv HD PENTAX-DA 16-85mm F3.5-5.6ED DC WR He excuses for the uploader-caused sharpening and compressing and describes the bokeh and macro as nice

12-08-2014, 02:28 AM	#753
cxdoo Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Limassol, Cyprus Posts: 1,150	So, do we have a review comparing this to 18-55, 18-135 or 16-50? it's been a month since it's in the wild and still very little is known.

12-08-2014, 03:15 AM	#754
Jantus New Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 14	Any review covering all important areas such as IQ, autofocus and so on would be quite welcome

12-08-2014, 05:21 AM	#755
audiobomber Veteran Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Sudbury, Ontario Photos: Albums Posts: 6,806	Originally posted by cxdoo So, do we have a review comparing this to 18-55, 18-135 or 16-50? it's been a month since it's in the wild and still very little is known. The 16-85mm was announced two months ago, with a projected release in November. November has come and gone and it's still not on the shelf, only available for pre-order according to the B&H site this morning.

12-08-2014, 05:35 AM	#756
cxdoo Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Limassol, Cyprus Posts: 1,150	Originally posted by audiobomber The 16-85mm was announced two months ago, with a projected release in November. November has come and gone and it's still not on the shelf, only available for pre-order according to the B&H site this morning. Um, I was under the impression it was available, at least that's what I understood from short messages here and there from people who got it. Strange no one released anything comprehensive yet; apart from random photos from random blogs there's nothing.

12-08-2014, 06:04 AM	#757
IchabodCrane Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,728	Originally posted by cxdoo Um, I was under the impression it was available, at least that's what I understood from short messages here and there from people who got it. Strange no one released anything comprehensive yet; apart from random photos from random blogs there's nothing. From what I can tell, it's only available for consumer purchase in Japan so far.

12-08-2014, 08:47 AM	#758
Franc Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Hoevelaken Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,214	Originally posted by IchabodCrane From what I can tell, it's only available for consumer purchase in Japan so far. in Europe as well

12-08-2014, 09:01 AM	#759
Clothears Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Canterbury Posts: 170	Originally posted by IchabodCrane From what I can tell, it's only available for consumer purchase in Japan so far. No. amazon.co.uk has it for £522.

12-08-2014, 09:12 AM	#760
Doundounba Pentaxian Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Montréal QC Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,351	Also now listed at a couple of Canadian dealers (Henry's for $800 and Camera Canada for $750).

12-08-2014, 09:52 AM	#761
FantasticMrFox Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Munich Posts: 2,339	It's available in Europe. For once something we get earlier than the US

12-08-2014, 10:12 AM	#762
JinDesu Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: New York City Photos: Gallery Posts: 5,638	Originally posted by FantasticMrFox It's available in Europe. For once something we get earlier than the US Yes, you get to be our guinea pigs~

12-08-2014, 10:23 AM	#763
FantasticMrFox Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Munich Posts: 2,339	Originally posted by JinDesu Yes, you get to be our guinea pigs~ Nice, so at least we won't be used in research like rats or mice

12-08-2014, 10:33 AM	#764
audiobomber Veteran Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Sudbury, Ontario Photos: Albums Posts: 6,806	Originally posted by Doundounba Also now listed at a couple of Canadian dealers (Henry's for $800 and Camera Canada for $750). Neither have stock. Henry's says they expect to ship with 7-14 days. Camera Canada says orders will be shipped in the order received as stock comes in. I believe this is their version of a pre-order.

12-08-2014, 01:09 PM	#765
flomat Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 27	Originally posted by Jantus Any review covering all important areas such as IQ, autofocus and so on would be quite welcome I just posted some early observations in the lens reviews section.