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11-25-2014, 11:25 AM   #586
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QuoteOriginally posted by Kunzite Quote
Proof... link?
Personal experience: Android interface for cameras is "nightmare". Pentax interface is "excellent". And yes, I had that Samsung in my hands, if generic Android experience isn't enough for you.
You say that touchscreen of NX1 is not switchable. I'd like to see the proof.

I know that NX1 will be availability on November 28, 2014 in USA and a bit later in Europe. Where did you try it?

NX1 has Android operation system?
I don't think that LINUX is nightmare, Pentax interface is old school, it's habitual for you or me, but not excellent.

The menu of NX1 is simple and easy to navigate. The controls are very good.
http://www.techradar.com/reviews/cameras-and-camcorders/cameras/digital-slrs...1265386/review
Maybe I don't understand what you mean.


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Uhh.. Ogl, Kunzite is talking about... Galaxy NX AFAICT.
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QuoteOriginally posted by ogl Quote
You say that touchscreen of NX1 is not switchable. I'd like to see the proof.
I think people would be happy to provide "proof" of what they say. Well, as soon as you start doing the same, that is.

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Pentax interface is old school, it's habitual for you or me, but not excellent
Proof, please.
QuoteOriginally posted by ogl Quote
The menu of NX1 is simple and easy to navigate.
Proof, please.
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QuoteOriginally posted by pericombobulation Quote
Looks nice, but I'm not a big fan of touchscreens. And it's not FF. I know, I know, I'm fussy. :-)
i would rather wish for a superior built in gps. so astrotracer works without an extra-device. some extra juice for AF. Classic DSLR or new technology mirror.(They should hold on to built in SR but now in conjunction with in lens SR on the new lenses. )

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QuoteOriginally posted by ogl Quote
You say that touchscreen of NX1 is not switchable. I'd like to see the proof.

I know that NX1 will be availability on November 28, 2014 in USA and a bit later in Europe. Where did you try it?

NX1 has Android operation system?
I don't think that LINUX is nightmare, Pentax interface is old school, it's habitual for you or me, but not excellent.

The menu of NX1 is simple and easy to navigate. The controls are very good.
Hands on: Samsung NX1 review | Digital slrs/hybrids Reviews | TechRadar
Maybe I don't understand what you mean.
According to the NX1 manual, you can disable the touchscreen in "shooting situations", but "you can use touch operations in other situations". So it looks like you cannot completely disable the touchscreen.
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QuoteOriginally posted by ogl Quote
You say that touchscreen of NX1 is not switchable. I'd like to see the proof.

I know that NX1 will be availability on November 28, 2014 in USA and a bit later in Europe. Where did you try it?

NX1 has Android operation system?
I don't think that LINUX is nightmare, Pentax interface is old school, it's habitual for you or me, but not excellent.

The menu of NX1 is simple and easy to navigate. The controls are very good.
Hands on: Samsung NX1 review | Digital slrs/hybrids Reviews | TechRadar
Maybe I don't understand what you mean.
QuoteOriginally posted by thibs Quote
Uhh.. Ogl, Kunzite is talking about... Galaxy NX AFAICT.
Indeed, I was talking about the camera from those pictures posted by Mistral, which is the Android-based Galaxy NX.
By the way, I briefly had the NX1 in my hands (at Photokina). Briefly not because it was crowded - it wasn't, not many people cared about it despite those ladies being tempting photographic subjects - but because I quickly got bored of it. Its interface is very different from the Android-based NX, if necessary I could live with it. But, it's not necessary
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QuoteOriginally posted by luftfluss Quote
So it looks like you cannot completely disable the touchscreen.
QuoteOriginally posted by Kunzite Quote
But, it's not necessary
Since it has an EVF, you should be able to turn off the rear-screen and drive the camera, review images, access the menu etc completely through the EVF and the body knobs/dials. Except for features like 'touch focus', I guess.

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I meant, I really don't feel like jumping ship to Samsung (or any other manufacturer, for that matter). So I don't have to like their interfaces.

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Since it has an EVF, you should be able to turn off the rear-screen and drive the camera, review images, access the menu etc completely through the EVF and the body knobs/dials. Except for features like 'touch focus', I guess.
I just don't like chimping thru an EVF.

Personally, I have no problem with a touchscreen as long as I can disable the touch aspect while shooting... so my large nose doesn't select the AF point for me!
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QuoteOriginally posted by ogl Quote
NX1 has Android operation system?
I don't think that LINUX is nightmare, Pentax interface is old school, it's habitual for you or me, but not excellent.
According to this source, the NX1 actually runs Tizen Linux, not Android.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Kunzite Quote
Indeed, I was talking about the camera from those pictures posted by Mistral, which is the Android-based Galaxy NX.
By the way, I briefly had the NX1 in my hands (at Photokina). Briefly not because it was crowded - it wasn't, not many people cared about it despite those ladies being tempting photographic subjects - but because I quickly got bored of it. Its interface is very different from the Android-based NX, if necessary I could live with it. But, it's not necessary
I see. I say about NX1. Sorry

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QuoteOriginally posted by thibs Quote
Uhh.. Ogl, Kunzite is talking about... Galaxy NX AFAICT.
It's some kind of misunderstanding.... Thank you.

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That is what the FLU card does. There is considerable debate on whether the feature should be always included on camera or as an add on accessory like the FLU card.
I read one WIFI comment from Pentax, a year or more ago, to the effect that they were concerned about putting the controls in the camera. That the standard might change leaving the wifi prematurely obsolete. I have a Nex 6 that i can remotely control via smart phone. Sony aps are required to be installed on the smart phone and the camera. Once accomplished, it takes little time to turn on and reconnect. There is a little lag time in the wifi usage, but its workable. The setup was not successful for the first coupla times i tried it. I'm not sure whether the flu card would be better or worse. I suspect the flu card might be easier to set up than what i went through.

QuoteOriginally posted by Mistral75 Quote
You should try a Samsung Galaxy NX and its 4.8" AMOLED screen.
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This is a good suggestion, i think originally from pericomb... When i shoot promos of upcoming theater plays, the directors always want to see the early photos to see if they are getting the effect they want. I've even shown the LCD to actors involved so they can see how its looking, gets them more involved in its success. So having a bigger screen is a definite plus. But a lot of these folks already have smart phones. If they could log into my camera's wifi network, then no reason to show them the back of my camera LCD each time. So i'm unsure of tradeoffs between large screen on camera vice connectivity to other smart phones.

I'm sure the smart phone decimation of the PS marketplace has shocked a lot of manufacturers. I didn't get a smart phone until this year. So there are now more and more generations of people that are used to and comfortable with smart phone interfaces. I think a smart phone like interface with a touch screen could be as good or better than a built in menu system like traditional cameras.

When i put my Nex 6 into its wifi mode and use my Samsung phone to control it: the phone has a touch screen that allows me to use my finger to designate the focus point. the irony is that the Nex6 camera does not itself have a touch screen.

There are so many possibilities to how one could currently design cameras, its got to be an interesting challenge to the traditional camera makers. Do they want to risk irritating their older loyal customer base by installing a new interface, or do they want to risk losing potential younger customers because their menu system looks ancient by comparison.
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QuoteOriginally posted by philbaum Quote
I read one WIFI comment from Pentax, a year or more ago, to the effect that they were concerned about putting the controls in the camera. That the standard might change leaving the wifi prematurely obsolete. I have a Nex 6 that i can remotely control via smart phone. Sony aps are required to be installed on the smart phone and the camera. Once accomplished, it takes little time to turn on and reconnect. There is a little lag time in the wifi usage, but its workable.
I suspect the FLU card was at least partially due to their inexperience with WiFi and not wanting to commit to something built in that they were not 100% happy with. By going with a third party solution they 'hired' the expertise they needed to get a wifi solution out there. Might not be the best, but when you are way behind sometimes you just have to do the best you can and improve it later.

My only concern with the FLU card is that there seems to be no way to properly cool it because of the SD interface. No way to attach any cooling fins or heat sinks. A built in solution would avoid that, but at the expense of making everyone buy it and committing to something they are stuck with.
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QuoteOriginally posted by philbaum Quote
Once i bought into the Nex cameras, i started finding stuff that Pentax does better No one company has all the good ideas. It should be possible to build a mirrorless Pentax but with the existing K-mount. I think that would be a popular model, plus it would allow some lower costs for a premium model.
I agree with this. There is no question that there are many things about the latest Pentax bodes which are excellent and far better than the Sony mirrorless cameras, many of which I have owned. I like the bright OVF viewfinder of my K3 but I would prefer the information and focusing aids of the A6000 viewfinder which was much faster than previous versions. I am one of those who hopes any new Pentax, FF or not, combines Pentax body quality with mirrorless and up to date EVF for easier manual focusing.
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S L R , K - M o u n t , O p t i c a l V i e w f i n d e r , H y b r i d S R (5 AXIS) , G P S , W I F I(if you want so only with FluCard), I n t e r c h a n g e a b l e V i e w f i n d e r !!! (the LX had one i think) what today would also allow an EVF even with good old mirror tech.

And yes please: very silent(SDM) in body screw drive AF.

(And if God is there, an Extended WG - K-Mount which will allow us to go underwater without a case), new DP(Dive Proof) lenses.

The LX-D?
WGX-D?
WG-K?
WGX?
KZ-D?

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