Photokina 2014: Ricoh confirm full frame camera is coming in 2015

**Rondec** · 01-29-2015, 04:37 AM

Originally posted by Cynog Ap Brychan

I see Olympus' new M-5 can do 40 mp using sensor shift. I always thought Pentax would be first to do that in a smaller-than-MF camera. Ah well....

I think that would certainly give more of a resolution boost than going from, say, 24 megapixel APS-C to 40 megapixel APS-C. Unfortunately, it is probably of limited value -- requiring a tripod and a pretty static scene with no wind or movement.

Clavius · 01-29-2015, 04:59 AM

Originally posted by Rondec

I think that would certainly give more of a resolution boost than going from, say, 24 megapixel APS-C to 40 megapixel APS-C. Unfortunately, it is probably of limited value -- requiring a tripod and a pretty static scene with no wind or movement.

For some people that would be 99% of their shooting conditions. This could be an extremely valuable feature for some.

astron · 01-29-2015, 06:14 AM - **1 Like**

I know a lot of you folks have high hopes, but I try to think of it this way: Pentax has an established MO. Everything but the kitchen sink for stills (and some token video functions) at a reasonable price. If FF launches this year, it'll be based somewhat off the 645Z formula. That's the closest they've come to FF recently so it makes sense to build off that engineering effort. Keep your wild fantasies in check!

**WPRESTO** · 01-29-2015, 06:31 AM

Originally posted by stevebrot

Remember! You read it first here folk!

With any luck it will take less time to bring to market than the original Pentax FF MZ-D prototype.*

Steve

* The MZ-D was announced at Photokina in the year 2000 and was never brought to market due (apparently) to issues with the chosen 6 Mpx Philips sensor. Yes, the year 2000, fully 14 years ago.

That MZ-D looks like it owes a lot to the design of the film-era MZ-S, especially the slant top with two lay-flat dials (innovative on the MZ-S and potentially useful), but it almost looks as though it has a built-in accessory base. There appears to be twist-and-pull slide-out battery compartment in the base, something perhaps necessitated by battery designs available in 2000 but not required today. More likely we'll see a larger grip to accommodate the battery and a much smaller base. Overall the MZ-D prototype is bulky - more like higher end Canikons than typical Pentax designs. I think our FF will be far more svelte, but I wouldn't mind seeing what they might do with the tilted top plate and the control array on it.

Sorry if this repeats observations and comments by others. It's a bit much to go through 45 pages of posts to read everything that's already been said.

thibs · 01-29-2015, 07:08 AM

MZ-D was exactly that: a digital MZ-S.

Clavius · 01-29-2015, 07:16 AM

Originally posted by thibs

MZ-D was exactly that: a digital MZ-S.

I still really really like that design. Take this design, make it smaller, use a current electronics and Sony FF sensor. Done...

thibs · 01-29-2015, 07:21 AM

Originally posted by Clavius

I still really really like that design. Take this design, make it smaller, use a current electronics and Sony FF sensor. Done...

I completely agree. Just add a back wheel for aperture control, a good ff sensor and I'm in.

**Pål Jensen** · 01-29-2015, 07:38 AM

Originally posted by thibs

MZ-D was exactly that: a digital MZ-S.

Actually, it was the other way around....

**Rondec** · 01-29-2015, 07:39 AM

Originally posted by Clavius

For some people that would be 99% of their shooting conditions. This could be an extremely valuable feature for some.

I would use it some. I just don't think (a) I max out the resolution I get from a K3 with regard to printing/viewing size most of the time and (b) I am hit or miss with regard to tripod usage.

It certainly doesn't hurt to have the feature on the camera. If there was some kind of auto panorama, where you could take multiple photos and your camera would match them up and generate a single panorama file, that would increase resolution too. Wouldn't seem like that would be too hard to do, since they already have some kind of auto alignment feature with their HDR setting now.

Clavius · 01-29-2015, 07:45 AM

Originally posted by Rondec

It certainly doesn't hurt to have the feature on the camera. If there was some kind of auto panorama, where you could take multiple photos and your camera would match them up and generate a single panorama file, that would increase resolution too. Wouldn't seem like that would be too hard to do, since they already have some kind of auto alignment feature with their HDR setting now.

Ah yes, my cellphone with its sucky lens, that I got free with my mobile phone subscription, does exactly that phenomically well. But my €1200,- DSLR can't. Seems rather strange.

**WPRESTO** · 01-29-2015, 08:26 AM

Originally posted by Clavius

I still really really like that design. Take this design, make it smaller, use a current electronics and Sony FF sensor. Done...

EXCEPT: At least a tilting, better a tilt-swivel screen.

Clavius · 01-29-2015, 08:45 AM

Originally posted by WPRESTO

EXCEPT: At least a tilting, better a tilt-swivel screen.

You're right... and a proper eye-level viewfinder that works during video recording.

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01-29-2015, 04:37 AM	#661
Rondec Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 27,653	Originally posted by Cynog Ap Brychan I see Olympus' new M-5 can do 40 mp using sensor shift. I always thought Pentax would be first to do that in a smaller-than-MF camera. Ah well.... I think that would certainly give more of a resolution boost than going from, say, 24 megapixel APS-C to 40 megapixel APS-C. Unfortunately, it is probably of limited value -- requiring a tripod and a pretty static scene with no wind or movement.

01-29-2015, 04:59 AM	#662
Clavius Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: De Klundert Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,150	Originally posted by Rondec I think that would certainly give more of a resolution boost than going from, say, 24 megapixel APS-C to 40 megapixel APS-C. Unfortunately, it is probably of limited value -- requiring a tripod and a pretty static scene with no wind or movement. For some people that would be 99% of their shooting conditions. This could be an extremely valuable feature for some.

01-29-2015, 06:14 AM - 1 Like	#663
astron Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 105	I know a lot of you folks have high hopes, but I try to think of it this way: Pentax has an established MO. Everything but the kitchen sink for stills (and some token video functions) at a reasonable price. If FF launches this year, it'll be based somewhat off the 645Z formula. That's the closest they've come to FF recently so it makes sense to build off that engineering effort. Keep your wild fantasies in check!

01-29-2015, 06:31 AM	#664
WPRESTO Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Massachusetts Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 59,104	Originally posted by stevebrot Remember! You read it first here folk! With any luck it will take less time to bring to market than the original Pentax FF MZ-D prototype.* Steve * The MZ-D was announced at Photokina in the year 2000 and was never brought to market due (apparently) to issues with the chosen 6 Mpx Philips sensor. Yes, the year 2000, fully 14 years ago. That MZ-D looks like it owes a lot to the design of the film-era MZ-S, especially the slant top with two lay-flat dials (innovative on the MZ-S and potentially useful), but it almost looks as though it has a built-in accessory base. There appears to be twist-and-pull slide-out battery compartment in the base, something perhaps necessitated by battery designs available in 2000 but not required today. More likely we'll see a larger grip to accommodate the battery and a much smaller base. Overall the MZ-D prototype is bulky - more like higher end Canikons than typical Pentax designs. I think our FF will be far more svelte, but I wouldn't mind seeing what they might do with the tilted top plate and the control array on it. Sorry if this repeats observations and comments by others. It's a bit much to go through 45 pages of posts to read everything that's already been said.

01-29-2015, 07:08 AM	#665
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	MZ-D was exactly that: a digital MZ-S.

01-29-2015, 07:16 AM	#666
Clavius Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: De Klundert Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,150	Originally posted by thibs MZ-D was exactly that: a digital MZ-S. I still really really like that design. Take this design, make it smaller, use a current electronics and Sony FF sensor. Done...

01-29-2015, 07:21 AM	#667
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Originally posted by Clavius I still really really like that design. Take this design, make it smaller, use a current electronics and Sony FF sensor. Done... I completely agree. Just add a back wheel for aperture control, a good ff sensor and I'm in.

01-29-2015, 07:38 AM	#668
Pål Jensen Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Norway Photos: Albums Posts: 4,371	Originally posted by thibs MZ-D was exactly that: a digital MZ-S. Actually, it was the other way around....

01-29-2015, 07:39 AM	#669
Rondec Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 27,653	Originally posted by Clavius For some people that would be 99% of their shooting conditions. This could be an extremely valuable feature for some. I would use it some. I just don't think (a) I max out the resolution I get from a K3 with regard to printing/viewing size most of the time and (b) I am hit or miss with regard to tripod usage. It certainly doesn't hurt to have the feature on the camera. If there was some kind of auto panorama, where you could take multiple photos and your camera would match them up and generate a single panorama file, that would increase resolution too. Wouldn't seem like that would be too hard to do, since they already have some kind of auto alignment feature with their HDR setting now.

01-29-2015, 07:45 AM	#670
Clavius Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: De Klundert Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,150	Originally posted by Rondec It certainly doesn't hurt to have the feature on the camera. If there was some kind of auto panorama, where you could take multiple photos and your camera would match them up and generate a single panorama file, that would increase resolution too. Wouldn't seem like that would be too hard to do, since they already have some kind of auto alignment feature with their HDR setting now. Ah yes, my cellphone with its sucky lens, that I got free with my mobile phone subscription, does exactly that phenomically well. But my €1200,- DSLR can't. Seems rather strange.

01-29-2015, 08:26 AM	#671
WPRESTO Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Massachusetts Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 59,104	Originally posted by Clavius I still really really like that design. Take this design, make it smaller, use a current electronics and Sony FF sensor. Done... EXCEPT: At least a tilting, better a tilt-swivel screen.

01-29-2015, 08:45 AM	#672
Clavius Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: De Klundert Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,150	Originally posted by WPRESTO EXCEPT: At least a tilting, better a tilt-swivel screen. You're right... and a proper eye-level viewfinder that works during video recording.