Photokina 2014: Ricoh confirm full frame camera is coming in 2015

ogl · 09-19-2014, 04:29 AM

Originally posted by Kunzite

They didn't stop developing new primes, they're just prioritizing introduction of new zooms - for now.

slow and big zooms - for what?

derekkite · 09-19-2014, 04:50 AM - **1 Like**

The K3 has an SR switch on the body.

Zygonyx · 09-19-2014, 04:54 AM

Originally posted by derekkite

The K3 has an SR switch on the body.

Clavius · 09-19-2014, 05:08 AM

Originally posted by Kunzite

They didn't stop developing new primes, they're just prioritizing introduction of new zooms - for now.

Is that so?!? Cool! Point be to where they confirmed that they're still developing primes please. Can't see any on the roadmap.

JimmyDranox · 09-19-2014, 05:17 AM

I guess that they don't consider to update the road map, because, maybe, they don't know what will be finished until the launch of the FF, and also, because their philosophy of communication, if we can call it so, is to tell nothing until the last week. But I think that they need to come with something more than those two zooms.

**dadipentak** · 09-19-2014, 05:19 AM

Originally posted by derekkite

he K3 has an SR switch on the body.

I wish.

ogl · 09-19-2014, 05:22 AM

Originally posted by JimmyDranox

I guess that they don't consider to update the road map, because, maybe, they don't know what will be finished until the launch of the FF, and also, because their philosophy of communication, if we can call it so, is to tell nothing until the last week. But I think that they need to come with something more than those two zooms.

Strange management of this company - left hand doesn't know what right hand does...

Mistral75 · 09-19-2014, 05:26 AM

Originally posted by Clavius

Is that so?!? Cool! Point be to where they confirmed that they're still developing primes please. Can't see any on the roadmap.

Since the launch of DA 15mm f/4 Limited and with the exception of DA 560mm f/5.6, none of the latest K mount prime lenses ever appeared on a roadmap before their announcement (HD DA Limiteds, DA 50mm f/1.8, DA 40mm f/2.8 XS, DA 35mm f/2.4, DFA 100mm f/2.8 macro WR).

JimmyDranox · 09-19-2014, 05:28 AM

Originally posted by ogl

Strange management of this company - left hand doesn't know what right hand does...

Probably, their PR manager was a former Area 51 employer.

**Aristophanes** · 09-19-2014, 05:37 AM

Originally posted by ogl

slow and big zooms - for what?

Because that is a major factor in what makes DSLR shooters buy DSLRs as opposed to smaller mirrorless cameras.

Tele-zooms is exactly what sets DSLRs apart. That is why the Canon and Nikon line-ups are full of that glass.

mee · 09-19-2014, 06:08 AM

Originally posted by Aristophanes

Because that is a major factor in what makes DSLR shooters buy DSLRs as opposed to smaller mirrorless cameras.

Tele-zooms is exactly what sets DSLRs apart. That is why the Canon and Nikon line-ups are full of that glass.

Not this one.. I buy DSLRs for the IQ and the big OVF.

Zygonyx · 09-19-2014, 06:16 AM

Originally posted by Mistral75

Since the launch of DA 15mm f/4 Limited and with the exception of DA 560mm f/5.6, none of the latest K mount prime lenses ever appeared on a roadmap before their announcement (HD DA Limiteds, DA 50mm f/1.8, DA 40mm f/2.8 XS, DA 35mm f/2.4, DFA 100mm f/2.8 macro WR).

Primes = business as usual with Pentax

---------- Post added 19-09-14 at 06:17 ----------

Originally posted by mee

Not this one.. I buy DSLRs for the IQ and the big OVF.

Neither this one.
=> combination of IBIS and well processed Sony sensors

**monochrome** · 09-19-2014, 06:34 AM - **1 Like**

I am astonished Ricoh doesn't cater to all the people posting on this thread.

What are they THINKING?!!!!

Stavri · 09-19-2014, 07:04 AM

I understand people's frustration with new zooms and lack of fast primes (it is the reason why I have so many Sigma EX lenses). Zooms mean flexibility, they're not intended for advanced users but for the new Pentax buyers. Try to understand folks, Pentax wants to increase market shares meaning it has to attract "smartphone" users (as they put it) who want to produce better quality pictures. It's no secret that apart from DSLR Pentax hasn't offered anything substantial in the past 4 years (Depending on how you feel about the da 20-40mm). IT IS THAT SIMPLE. The other Da* zooms are years old. That said people should be excited for the new zooms especially the D-Fa ones they're introducing. If the past Da* zooms are any indication these should be great products rivaling other manufactures in their categories. I haven't done any research on the matter, but I'd bet my savings that when confronted with the choice (say Sigma 300mm f2.8 vs Sigma 120-300mm f2.8) most photographers opt for the zoom. Pentax is putting more zooms on the hands of their entry-mid level users, that's where their priorities lie. For advanced users, progress is going to be slow (FF is the case in point), and the pickings slim. Pentax needed a 100-400MM+ lens and the thew superzoom seems to be that lens. The 70/80-200 its the icing on the cake (I have a feeling It's going to be a great lens if the FA 80-200 is any indication)

A bit more about entry level photography: I cannot overstate my appreciation for the PentaxForum the way it helps people troubleshot and improve their skills. I think the traffic on the sight and the expedient answers to people's questions are a very unique and invaluable thing. PF is one of the reasons that Pentax entry-mid level users better inform themselves, buy gear and continue to improve. As a contrast I have a good friend who's an entry level canon RebelXTuser but has never moved past the kit lens. She takes photography seriously, and goes over hoops to get the angles she needs (and does an amazing job at getting the most out of her camera but she has plateaued. I'm considering buying her a Canon 50mm f1.8 prime for her birthday). I believe that many new DSLR user rely heavily on their zooms, (the 18-135mm gets lots of mileage) and many people would pay for a good 18-200+ lens (most advanced users looking for superior IQ wouldn't)

The future is Zoom, Zoom...

ogl · 09-19-2014, 07:06 AM

We have only TWO slow primes for wide-angle - DA15/4 and 21/3.2 - the both have weak corners.

What are they THINKING?!!!!

09-19-2014, 06:34 AM - 1 Like	#388
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	I am astonished Ricoh doesn't cater to all the people posting on this thread. What are they THINKING?!!!! Last edited by monochrome; 09-19-2014 at 04:37 PM.

09-19-2014, 07:04 AM	#389
Stavri Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: at a Bean & Leaf Photos: Albums Posts: 1,832	I understand people's frustration with new zooms and lack of fast primes (it is the reason why I have so many Sigma EX lenses). Zooms mean flexibility, they're not intended for advanced users but for the new Pentax buyers. Try to understand folks, Pentax wants to increase market shares meaning it has to attract "smartphone" users (as they put it) who want to produce better quality pictures. It's no secret that apart from DSLR Pentax hasn't offered anything substantial in the past 4 years (Depending on how you feel about the da 20-40mm). IT IS THAT SIMPLE. The other Da* zooms are years old. That said people should be excited for the new zooms especially the D-Fa ones they're introducing. If the past Da* zooms are any indication these should be great products rivaling other manufactures in their categories. I haven't done any research on the matter, but I'd bet my savings that when confronted with the choice (say Sigma 300mm f2.8 vs Sigma 120-300mm f2.8) most photographers opt for the zoom. Pentax is putting more zooms on the hands of their entry-mid level users, that's where their priorities lie. For advanced users, progress is going to be slow (FF is the case in point), and the pickings slim. Pentax needed a 100-400MM+ lens and the thew superzoom seems to be that lens. The 70/80-200 its the icing on the cake (I have a feeling It's going to be a great lens if the FA 80-200 is any indication) A bit more about entry level photography: I cannot overstate my appreciation for the PentaxForum the way it helps people troubleshot and improve their skills. I think the traffic on the sight and the expedient answers to people's questions are a very unique and invaluable thing. PF is one of the reasons that Pentax entry-mid level users better inform themselves, buy gear and continue to improve. As a contrast I have a good friend who's an entry level canon RebelXTuser but has never moved past the kit lens. She takes photography seriously, and goes over hoops to get the angles she needs (and does an amazing job at getting the most out of her camera but she has plateaued. I'm considering buying her a Canon 50mm f1.8 prime for her birthday). I believe that many new DSLR user rely heavily on their zooms, (the 18-135mm gets lots of mileage) and many people would pay for a good 18-200+ lens (most advanced users looking for superior IQ wouldn't) The future is Zoom, Zoom... Last edited by Stavri; 09-19-2014 at 07:22 AM.

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09-19-2014, 04:29 AM	#376
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Originally posted by Kunzite They didn't stop developing new primes, they're just prioritizing introduction of new zooms - for now. slow and big zooms - for what?

09-19-2014, 04:50 AM - 1 Like	#377
derekkite Pentaxian Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Nelson B.C. Posts: 3,782	The K3 has an SR switch on the body.

09-19-2014, 04:54 AM	#378
Zygonyx Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Ile de France Posts: 4,032	Originally posted by derekkite The K3 has an SR switch on the body.

09-19-2014, 05:08 AM	#379
Clavius Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: De Klundert Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,150	Originally posted by Kunzite They didn't stop developing new primes, they're just prioritizing introduction of new zooms - for now. Is that so?!? Cool! Point be to where they confirmed that they're still developing primes please. Can't see any on the roadmap.

09-19-2014, 05:17 AM	#380
JimmyDranox Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Ploiesti, Romania Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,632	I guess that they don't consider to update the road map, because, maybe, they don't know what will be finished until the launch of the FF, and also, because their philosophy of communication, if we can call it so, is to tell nothing until the last week. But I think that they need to come with something more than those two zooms.

09-19-2014, 05:19 AM	#381
dadipentak Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Baltimore, Maryland Photos: Gallery Posts: 11,590	Originally posted by derekkite he K3 has an SR switch on the body. I wish.

09-19-2014, 05:22 AM	#382
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Originally posted by JimmyDranox I guess that they don't consider to update the road map, because, maybe, they don't know what will be finished until the launch of the FF, and also, because their philosophy of communication, if we can call it so, is to tell nothing until the last week. But I think that they need to come with something more than those two zooms. Strange management of this company - left hand doesn't know what right hand does...

09-19-2014, 05:26 AM	#383
Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,525 Original Poster	Originally posted by Clavius Is that so?!? Cool! Point be to where they confirmed that they're still developing primes please. Can't see any on the roadmap. Since the launch of DA 15mm f/4 Limited and with the exception of DA 560mm f/5.6, none of the latest K mount prime lenses ever appeared on a roadmap before their announcement (HD DA Limiteds, DA 50mm f/1.8, DA 40mm f/2.8 XS, DA 35mm f/2.4, DFA 100mm f/2.8 macro WR).

09-19-2014, 05:28 AM	#384
JimmyDranox Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Ploiesti, Romania Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,632	Originally posted by ogl Strange management of this company - left hand doesn't know what right hand does... Probably, their PR manager was a former Area 51 employer.

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Aristophanes Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Rankin Inlet, Nunavut Photos: Albums Posts: 3,948	Originally posted by ogl slow and big zooms - for what? Because that is a major factor in what makes DSLR shooters buy DSLRs as opposed to smaller mirrorless cameras. Tele-zooms is exactly what sets DSLRs apart. That is why the Canon and Nikon line-ups are full of that glass.

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09-19-2014, 06:08 AM	#386
mee Veteran Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 7,403	Originally posted by Aristophanes Because that is a major factor in what makes DSLR shooters buy DSLRs as opposed to smaller mirrorless cameras. Tele-zooms is exactly what sets DSLRs apart. That is why the Canon and Nikon line-ups are full of that glass. Not this one.. I buy DSLRs for the IQ and the big OVF.

09-19-2014, 06:16 AM	#387
Zygonyx Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Ile de France Posts: 4,032	Originally posted by Mistral75 Since the launch of DA 15mm f/4 Limited and with the exception of DA 560mm f/5.6, none of the latest K mount prime lenses ever appeared on a roadmap before their announcement (HD DA Limiteds, DA 50mm f/1.8, DA 40mm f/2.8 XS, DA 35mm f/2.4, DFA 100mm f/2.8 macro WR). Primes = business as usual with Pentax ---------- Post added 19-09-14 at 06:17 ---------- Originally posted by mee Not this one.. I buy DSLRs for the IQ and the big OVF. Neither this one. => combination of IBIS and well processed Sony sensors

09-19-2014, 07:06 AM	#390
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	We have only TWO slow primes for wide-angle - DA15/4 and 21/3.2 - the both have weak corners. What are they THINKING?!!!!