Photokina 2014: Ricoh confirm full frame camera is coming in 2015

MD Optofonik · 09-19-2014, 10:41 PM

Originally posted by stevebrot

The 1D is not really that big (forced perspective), but it is a double handful. The D800 is a little smaller, but still formidable.

Steve

Uhhmmm. Yeah. I was kidding. It was, like, a joke

deadwolfbones · 09-20-2014, 01:08 AM

We (at Reviewed.com Cameras) talked to Jim Malcolm at Photokina and got an interesting semi-confirmation of full-frame development. You can see it here: Ricoh Confirms Development of Full-Frame Pentax DSLR - Reviewed.com Cameras

Zygonyx · 09-20-2014, 01:29 AM

Hummm... confirmation is interesting.
Actually, wondering why such a hype for Full Frame...
This one is now 50 years old

gazonk · 09-20-2014, 03:07 AM

Originally posted by ogl

No. This lens couldn't be ordered anymore. I tried to buy this lens on 2012, 2013. The official Pentax dealer refused

Well, I checked that it's still on the brand new road map before I wrote that comment... but I don't find it in any Norwegian stores either.

Tan68 · 09-20-2014, 07:51 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by MD Optofonik

Uhhmmm. Yeah. I was kidding. It was, like, a joke

Joke... at least only at the expense of the camera
Not nice to make a joke about the small head

MD Optofonik · 09-20-2014, 08:47 AM

Originally posted by Tan68

Joke... at least only at the expense of the camera
Not nice to make a joke about the small head

Hahaha. I would never do that but...

Wait a minute...

OMG!!! What if his head us actually unusually large? That would mean, even with the forced perspective, a FF camera is even bigger than I initially thought. Ginormously, humungously, huge!!!

I don't want a forced perspective FF camera as big as a large headed man's noggin!!!

stevebrot · 09-20-2014, 09:26 AM

Originally posted by MD Optofonik

Uhhmmm. Yeah. I was kidding. It was, like, a joke

We have are all serious here and have no humor. It is fact.

Steve

---------- Post added 09-20-14 at 09:28 AM ----------

Originally posted by Tan68

Not nice to make a joke about the small head

ROFL!!!

Steve

patarok · 09-20-2014, 02:21 PM

i also had a talk with a rep.(Vito Aurora) at photokina, when i started to talk about my FF desires... he told me to look at the new lenses and smiled a big smile. i asked him 2015? And he sayed something like: 'You can reckon that it will be there!"

**monochrome** · 09-20-2014, 02:34 PM

Guys and Gals - we just have to wait.

We sort of know but we won't know know until a couple weeks before we actually know. It might be a little sooner - it might be a little later, but my guess is announced late April / early May and released mid to late June. Lenses more in the February / March window. There's also possibly another 645 zoom coming.

This all fits with what I postulated last year about this time. That once Ricoh starts releasing it will be one after another after another - a constant barrage of products in Q, APSc, FF and 645. That way they're on DPReview front page every couple weeks, they're constantly in the news getting free review press, they're building the name and reputation and EVERYTHING is a surprise. Who cares about Trade Shows - they're so - 90's!

It's a constant, Whoa! Another lens? Another camera? Boom. Boom. BOOM BOOM. Boom. BOOM BOOM. Boom Boom BOOM! Q-S1; K-S1; WG-M1. Lens prototypes. Then there will be K-50 revision. HD re-releases when inventory clears - constant re-releases / updates possible there. Maybe an accessory now and then.

Imagine three years of that.

Mistral75 · 09-20-2014, 02:44 PM

My guess is we will see a big splash from Ricoh at CP+ in February. It's 'their' Photokina, you know.

**monochrome** · 09-20-2014, 02:45 PM

Originally posted by Mistral75

My guess is we will see a big splash from Ricoh at CP+ in February. It's 'their' Photokina, you know.

Well that's where I was going but the bruise from K-01 still shows.

JimmyDranox · 09-20-2014, 04:13 PM

Originally posted by monochrome

Guys and Gals - we just have to wait.

We sort of know but we won't know know until a couple weeks before we actually know. It might be a little sooner - it might be a little later, but my guess is announced late April / early May and released mid to late June. Lenses more in the February / March window. There's also possibly another 645 zoom coming.

This all fits with what I postulated last year about this time. That once Ricoh starts releasing it will be one after another after another - a constant barrage of products in Q, APSc, FF and 645. That way they're on DPReview front page every couple weeks, they're constantly in the news getting free review press, they're building the name and reputation and EVERYTHING is a surprise. Who cares about Trade Shows - they're so - 90's!

It's a constant, Whoa! Another lens? Another camera? Boom. Boom. BOOM BOOM. Boom. BOOM BOOM. Boom Boom BOOM! Q-S1; K-S1; WG-M1. Lens prototypes. Then there will be K-50 revision. HD re-releases when inventory clears - constant re-releases / updates possible there. Maybe an accessory now and then.

Imagine three years of that.

I also think that this is the scenario. I'm not shore that will be so late, maybe earlier, a couple of month, but regardless of date, the fact is that we begin to see signs of a new face of Pentax.

About the fall of sales of DSLR, I think that the times of boom , between 2006 and 2011, was a period when the market was hungry of this products, and now the figures turns back a smaller and more stable level.

The mirrorless cameras in this regard is not a new technology. Still we have to change lenses, big or small, still the sensor are the same, and the difference between them are not big, and, in my opinion, mirrorless will not replace DSLR in such a big proportion, to make the last obsolete. At least, not until a new, game changing technology will come to market.

**Pål Jensen** · 09-20-2014, 04:28 PM

Originally posted by JimmyDranox

The mirrorless cameras in this regard is not a new technology. .

Not having a mirror on a camera is no more technology than not having wings on a car.
The first camera invented was mirrorless.

MD Optofonik · 09-20-2014, 04:51 PM

Originally posted by Pål Jensen

Not having a mirror on a camera is no more technology than not having wings on a car.
The first camera invented was mirrorless.

But it did have a "viewfinder". Of sorts.

JimmyDranox · 09-20-2014, 05:16 PM

Originally posted by Pål Jensen

Not having a mirror on a camera is no more technology than not having wings on a car.
The first camera invented was mirrorless.

I can call a new technology something like negative difraction glass, flexible lenses, or a new type of sensor, like the rumored Canon five layer sensors. Mirrorless is a new approach of essentially the same technology, IMO. Even EVF is before the first mirrorless digital ILC was made.

09-20-2014, 08:47 AM	#456
MD Optofonik Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: California Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 962	Originally posted by Tan68 Joke... at least only at the expense of the camera Not nice to make a joke about the small head Hahaha. I would never do that but... Wait a minute... OMG!!! What if his head us actually unusually large? That would mean, even with the forced perspective, a FF camera is even bigger than I initially thought. Ginormously, humungously, huge!!! I don't want a forced perspective FF camera as big as a large headed man's noggin!!! Last edited by MD Optofonik; 09-20-2014 at 01:38 PM.

09-20-2014, 04:51 PM	#464
MD Optofonik Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: California Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 962	Originally posted by Pål Jensen Not having a mirror on a camera is no more technology than not having wings on a car. The first camera invented was mirrorless. But it did have a "viewfinder". Of sorts. Last edited by MD Optofonik; 09-20-2014 at 11:56 PM.

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MD Optofonik Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: California Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 962	Originally posted by stevebrot The 1D is not really that big (forced perspective), but it is a double handful. The D800 is a little smaller, but still formidable. Steve Uhhmmm. Yeah. I was kidding. It was, like, a joke

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deadwolfbones Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: La Crescenta, CA Posts: 7,450	We (at Reviewed.com Cameras) talked to Jim Malcolm at Photokina and got an interesting semi-confirmation of full-frame development. You can see it here: Ricoh Confirms Development of Full-Frame Pentax DSLR - Reviewed.com Cameras

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Zygonyx Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Ile de France Posts: 4,032	Hummm... confirmation is interesting. Actually, wondering why such a hype for Full Frame... This one is now 50 years old

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gazonk Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Oslo area, Norway Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,746	Originally posted by ogl No. This lens couldn't be ordered anymore. I tried to buy this lens on 2012, 2013. The official Pentax dealer refused Well, I checked that it's still on the brand new road map before I wrote that comment... but I don't find it in any Norwegian stores either.

09-20-2014, 07:51 AM - 1 Like	#455
Tan68 Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Photos: Albums Posts: 501	Originally posted by MD Optofonik Uhhmmm. Yeah. I was kidding. It was, like, a joke Joke... at least only at the expense of the camera Not nice to make a joke about the small head

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stevebrot Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Vancouver (USA) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 42,007	Originally posted by MD Optofonik Uhhmmm. Yeah. I was kidding. It was, like, a joke We have are all serious here and have no humor. It is fact. Steve ---------- Post added 09-20-14 at 09:28 AM ---------- Originally posted by Tan68 Not nice to make a joke about the small head ROFL!!! Steve

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patarok Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Photos: Gallery Posts: 389	i also had a talk with a rep.(Vito Aurora) at photokina, when i started to talk about my FF desires... he told me to look at the new lenses and smiled a big smile. i asked him 2015? And he sayed something like: 'You can reckon that it will be there!"

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monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Guys and Gals - we just have to wait. We sort of know but we won't know know until a couple weeks before we actually know. It might be a little sooner - it might be a little later, but my guess is announced late April / early May and released mid to late June. Lenses more in the February / March window. There's also possibly another 645 zoom coming. This all fits with what I postulated last year about this time. That once Ricoh starts releasing it will be one after another after another - a constant barrage of products in Q, APSc, FF and 645. That way they're on DPReview front page every couple weeks, they're constantly in the news getting free review press, they're building the name and reputation and EVERYTHING is a surprise. Who cares about Trade Shows - they're so - 90's! It's a constant, Whoa! Another lens? Another camera? Boom. Boom. BOOM BOOM. Boom. BOOM BOOM. Boom Boom BOOM! Q-S1; K-S1; WG-M1. Lens prototypes. Then there will be K-50 revision. HD re-releases when inventory clears - constant re-releases / updates possible there. Maybe an accessory now and then. Imagine three years of that.

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Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,526 Original Poster	My guess is we will see a big splash from Ricoh at CP+ in February. It's 'their' Photokina, you know.

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monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by Mistral75 My guess is we will see a big splash from Ricoh at CP+ in February. It's 'their' Photokina, you know. Well that's where I was going but the bruise from K-01 still shows.

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09-20-2014, 04:13 PM	#462
JimmyDranox Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Ploiesti, Romania Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,632	Originally posted by monochrome Guys and Gals - we just have to wait. We sort of know but we won't know know until a couple weeks before we actually know. It might be a little sooner - it might be a little later, but my guess is announced late April / early May and released mid to late June. Lenses more in the February / March window. There's also possibly another 645 zoom coming. This all fits with what I postulated last year about this time. That once Ricoh starts releasing it will be one after another after another - a constant barrage of products in Q, APSc, FF and 645. That way they're on DPReview front page every couple weeks, they're constantly in the news getting free review press, they're building the name and reputation and EVERYTHING is a surprise. Who cares about Trade Shows - they're so - 90's! It's a constant, Whoa! Another lens? Another camera? Boom. Boom. BOOM BOOM. Boom. BOOM BOOM. Boom Boom BOOM! Q-S1; K-S1; WG-M1. Lens prototypes. Then there will be K-50 revision. HD re-releases when inventory clears - constant re-releases / updates possible there. Maybe an accessory now and then. Imagine three years of that. I also think that this is the scenario. I'm not shore that will be so late, maybe earlier, a couple of month, but regardless of date, the fact is that we begin to see signs of a new face of Pentax. About the fall of sales of DSLR, I think that the times of boom , between 2006 and 2011, was a period when the market was hungry of this products, and now the figures turns back a smaller and more stable level. The mirrorless cameras in this regard is not a new technology. Still we have to change lenses, big or small, still the sensor are the same, and the difference between them are not big, and, in my opinion, mirrorless will not replace DSLR in such a big proportion, to make the last obsolete. At least, not until a new, game changing technology will come to market.

09-20-2014, 04:28 PM	#463
Pål Jensen Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Norway Photos: Albums Posts: 4,371	Originally posted by JimmyDranox The mirrorless cameras in this regard is not a new technology. . Not having a mirror on a camera is no more technology than not having wings on a car. The first camera invented was mirrorless.

09-20-2014, 05:16 PM	#465
JimmyDranox Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Ploiesti, Romania Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,632	Originally posted by Pål Jensen Not having a mirror on a camera is no more technology than not having wings on a car. The first camera invented was mirrorless. I can call a new technology something like negative difraction glass, flexible lenses, or a new type of sensor, like the rumored Canon five layer sensors. Mirrorless is a new approach of essentially the same technology, IMO. Even EVF is before the first mirrorless digital ILC was made.