Photokina 2014: Ricoh confirm full frame camera is coming in 2015

normhead · 11-10-2014, 08:14 PM

I use Aperture , and it's possible... but, I always try and maintain resolution. The software I've tried hasn't impressed me, but then I haven't spent much time with them either.

axelm7 · 11-11-2014, 10:54 AM

Originally posted by VoiceOfReason

TBH I normally use Photoshop CS 5.5.

Topaz Denoise is probably the best alternative to DxO's prime NR and it runs as a PS plug-in. It's much, much better than either LR's or Photoshop's current NR algorithms.

jsherman999 · 11-11-2014, 10:58 AM

Originally posted by axelm7

Topaz Denoise is probably the best alternative to DxO's prime NR and it runs as a PS plug-in. It's much, much better than either LR's or Photoshop's current NR algorithms.

Are there any examples that prove this? I don't dispute it, it's just that It's harder than it should be to find examples of the same image processed with different software.

axelm7 · 11-11-2014, 11:29 AM

Originally posted by jsherman999

Are there any examples that prove this? I don't dispute it, it's just that It's harder than it should be to find examples of the same image processed with different software.

There are next to none of those comparison images you seek. Its capabilities are really much much better, though. I think its strength comes from the fact that you can get a sharp, noise-free shot from the Topaz plugin while conserving details and textures. Photoshop can certainly handle noise reduction, but it can't preserve the detail and sharpness as well as the Topaz plugin. Not even close. And let's not talk about LR5's denoising capabilities, which I consider to be the poorest of the three.

VoiceOfReason · 11-11-2014, 12:27 PM

I have both Topaz Denoise and Clarity, but haven't used them much.

rawr · 11-11-2014, 02:00 PM - **1 Like**

Capture One and Lightroom have decent enough NR capabilities built-in, but they also have the ability to apply selective adjustments (including for noise), which can be very handy.

DxO, unfortunately, does not do selective adjustments, so if you have an image with a noisy background but you want to retain detail on the foreground subject, DxO will hit the whole image with the same level of NR. Not always welcome. Have to export out of DxO without NR sometimes, then use another tool. DxO doesn't support plugins either, (although DxO itself can function as one to LR and PS).

axelm7 · 11-11-2014, 02:24 PM

Originally posted by rawr

Capture One and Lightroom have decent enough NR capabilities built-in, but they also have the ability to apply selective adjustments (including for noise), which can be very handy.

DxO, unfortunately, does not do selective adjustments, so if you have an image with a noisy background but you want to retain detail on the foreground subject, DxO will hit the whole image with the same level of NR. Not always welcome. Have to export out of DxO without NR sometimes, then use another tool. DxO doesn't support plugins either, (although DxO itself can function as one to LR and PS).

The situation doesn't happen very often but what I usually do in that case is select the background, gaussian blur it, and then apply the NR. Looks better than selectively denoising an image imo.

rawr · 11-11-2014, 04:23 PM

Originally posted by axelm7

Looks better than selectively denoising an image imo.

It depends. If I have a close shot of a bird that occupies 60% of the frame, but some darker, noisy shadows behind it, the body of the bird might get no NR, while the shadows will get the NR (and maybe less clarity) brushed onto them in LR or C1.
Similar outcome, different process I guess.

normhead · 11-11-2014, 04:41 PM

Originally posted by rawr

It depends. If I have a close shot of a bird that occupies 60% of the frame, but some darker, noisy shadows behind it, the body of the bird might get no NR, while the shadows will get the NR (and maybe less clarity) brushed onto them in LR or C1.
Similar outcome, different process I guess.

I do that for any bird shots, many are taken 800-1600 ISO and have visible noise in the out of focus areas. I simply can't tolerate that, but a little noise on the bird itself is not that noticeable.

Case in point...

The noise in the OOF areas is totally eliminated, only very mild NR applied to the bird.

Na Horuk · 11-15-2014, 07:04 AM

I thought the topaz denoise was great, but really didnt like that its not integrated and has to be used before processing, unlike the regular LR NR which is woven into the PP. I would buy the Topaz thing if they improve this

ogl · 11-15-2014, 08:38 AM

The best NR is DXO PRIME. Recommend it.

philbaum · 11-15-2014, 11:30 AM

Originally posted by rawr

Capture One and Lightroom have decent enough NR capabilities built-in, but they also have the ability to apply selective adjustments (including for noise), which can be very handy.

DxO, unfortunately, does not do selective adjustments, so if you have an image with a noisy background but you want to retain detail on the foreground subject, DxO will hit the whole image with the same level of NR. Not always welcome. Have to export out of DxO without NR sometimes, then use another tool. DxO doesn't support plugins either, (although DxO itself can function as one to LR and PS).

I have Topaz Denoise but never really liked it. LR's NR is so convenient, and the slider masking (referred to above) that eliminates sharpening from most background areas is so effortless. If one wants to use a brush for sharpening instead - also avail.

**Mikesul** · 11-15-2014, 02:02 PM

Originally posted by philbaum

I have Topaz Denoise but never really liked it. LR's NR is so convenient, and the slider masking (referred to above) that eliminates sharpening from most background areas is so effortless. If one wants to use a brush for sharpening instead - also avail.

Glad to see others have the same experience. I have the Topaz suite but it is just so much easier and usually enough to just use LR without having to wait for Topaz to load and return.

Mistral75 · 11-16-2014, 07:01 AM - **6 Likes**

In Ricoh's so-called 'VIP lounge' at the French Salon de la Photo, we were (again) told by Ricoh Imaging Europe executives that Ricoh will announce a 24x36 Pentax camera next year.

ZeljkoS · 11-16-2014, 07:26 AM

Originally posted by Mistral75

In Ricoh's so-called 'VIP lounge' at the French Salon de la Photo, we were (again) told by Ricoh Imaging Europe executives that Ricoh will announce a 24x36 Pentax camera next year.

Thank you for some on-topic info.

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11-10-2014, 08:14 PM	#511
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,451	I use Aperture , and it's possible... but, I always try and maintain resolution. The software I've tried hasn't impressed me, but then I haven't spent much time with them either.

11-11-2014, 10:54 AM	#512
axelm7 Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Posts: 95	Originally posted by VoiceOfReason TBH I normally use Photoshop CS 5.5. Topaz Denoise is probably the best alternative to DxO's prime NR and it runs as a PS plug-in. It's much, much better than either LR's or Photoshop's current NR algorithms.

11-11-2014, 10:58 AM	#513
jsherman999 Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,237	Originally posted by axelm7 Topaz Denoise is probably the best alternative to DxO's prime NR and it runs as a PS plug-in. It's much, much better than either LR's or Photoshop's current NR algorithms. Are there any examples that prove this? I don't dispute it, it's just that It's harder than it should be to find examples of the same image processed with different software.

11-11-2014, 11:29 AM	#514
axelm7 Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Posts: 95	Originally posted by jsherman999 Are there any examples that prove this? I don't dispute it, it's just that It's harder than it should be to find examples of the same image processed with different software. There are next to none of those comparison images you seek. Its capabilities are really much much better, though. I think its strength comes from the fact that you can get a sharp, noise-free shot from the Topaz plugin while conserving details and textures. Photoshop can certainly handle noise reduction, but it can't preserve the detail and sharpness as well as the Topaz plugin. Not even close. And let's not talk about LR5's denoising capabilities, which I consider to be the poorest of the three.

11-11-2014, 12:27 PM	#515
VoiceOfReason Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Mishawaka IN area Photos: Albums Posts: 6,124	I have both Topaz Denoise and Clarity, but haven't used them much.

11-11-2014, 02:00 PM - 1 Like	#516
rawr Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,913	Capture One and Lightroom have decent enough NR capabilities built-in, but they also have the ability to apply selective adjustments (including for noise), which can be very handy. DxO, unfortunately, does not do selective adjustments, so if you have an image with a noisy background but you want to retain detail on the foreground subject, DxO will hit the whole image with the same level of NR. Not always welcome. Have to export out of DxO without NR sometimes, then use another tool. DxO doesn't support plugins either, (although DxO itself can function as one to LR and PS).

11-11-2014, 02:24 PM	#517
axelm7 Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Posts: 95	Originally posted by rawr Capture One and Lightroom have decent enough NR capabilities built-in, but they also have the ability to apply selective adjustments (including for noise), which can be very handy. DxO, unfortunately, does not do selective adjustments, so if you have an image with a noisy background but you want to retain detail on the foreground subject, DxO will hit the whole image with the same level of NR. Not always welcome. Have to export out of DxO without NR sometimes, then use another tool. DxO doesn't support plugins either, (although DxO itself can function as one to LR and PS). The situation doesn't happen very often but what I usually do in that case is select the background, gaussian blur it, and then apply the NR. Looks better than selectively denoising an image imo.

11-11-2014, 04:23 PM	#518
rawr Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,913	Originally posted by axelm7 Looks better than selectively denoising an image imo. It depends. If I have a close shot of a bird that occupies 60% of the frame, but some darker, noisy shadows behind it, the body of the bird might get no NR, while the shadows will get the NR (and maybe less clarity) brushed onto them in LR or C1. Similar outcome, different process I guess.

11-11-2014, 04:41 PM	#519
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,451	Originally posted by rawr It depends. If I have a close shot of a bird that occupies 60% of the frame, but some darker, noisy shadows behind it, the body of the bird might get no NR, while the shadows will get the NR (and maybe less clarity) brushed onto them in LR or C1. Similar outcome, different process I guess. I do that for any bird shots, many are taken 800-1600 ISO and have visible noise in the out of focus areas. I simply can't tolerate that, but a little noise on the bird itself is not that noticeable. Case in point... The noise in the OOF areas is totally eliminated, only very mild NR applied to the bird.

11-15-2014, 07:04 AM	#520
Na Horuk Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Slovenia, probably Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 11,186	I thought the topaz denoise was great, but really didnt like that its not integrated and has to be used before processing, unlike the regular LR NR which is woven into the PP. I would buy the Topaz thing if they improve this

11-15-2014, 08:38 AM	#521
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	The best NR is DXO PRIME. Recommend it.

11-15-2014, 11:30 AM	#522
philbaum Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Port Townsend, Washington State, USA Posts: 3,659	Originally posted by rawr Capture One and Lightroom have decent enough NR capabilities built-in, but they also have the ability to apply selective adjustments (including for noise), which can be very handy. DxO, unfortunately, does not do selective adjustments, so if you have an image with a noisy background but you want to retain detail on the foreground subject, DxO will hit the whole image with the same level of NR. Not always welcome. Have to export out of DxO without NR sometimes, then use another tool. DxO doesn't support plugins either, (although DxO itself can function as one to LR and PS). I have Topaz Denoise but never really liked it. LR's NR is so convenient, and the slider masking (referred to above) that eliminates sharpening from most background areas is so effortless. If one wants to use a brush for sharpening instead - also avail.

11-15-2014, 02:02 PM	#523
Mikesul Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 7,594	Originally posted by philbaum I have Topaz Denoise but never really liked it. LR's NR is so convenient, and the slider masking (referred to above) that eliminates sharpening from most background areas is so effortless. If one wants to use a brush for sharpening instead - also avail. Glad to see others have the same experience. I have the Topaz suite but it is just so much easier and usually enough to just use LR without having to wait for Topaz to load and return.

11-16-2014, 07:01 AM - 6 Likes	#524
Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,527 Original Poster	In Ricoh's so-called 'VIP lounge' at the French Salon de la Photo, we were (again) told by Ricoh Imaging Europe executives that Ricoh will announce a 24x36 Pentax camera next year.

11-16-2014, 07:26 AM	#525
ZeljkoS Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 421	Originally posted by Mistral75 In Ricoh's so-called 'VIP lounge' at the French Salon de la Photo, we were (again) told by Ricoh Imaging Europe executives that Ricoh will announce a 24x36 Pentax camera next year. Thank you for some on-topic info.