Photokina 2014: Ricoh confirm full frame camera is coming in 2015

bluelemon · 12-11-2014, 02:29 AM

Originally posted by i83N

I don't believe the French...

Don't trust your lot either, should have stayed with Russia..

twopolo · 12-11-2014, 06:28 AM

I was hopeing for a full frame from Pentax I love my K3 . It will be interesting to see the size and as the Sony A7 and Nikon D810 seem to have the market.
Tom

---------- Post added 12-11-14 at 09:37 AM ----------

Perfect Camera?

Is it the size of the Sony A7 , Mirrorless but yet has better lens selection and balance for superzooms.
We still require Big Glass for quality while the Cameras can be pint size, Maybe we need a fake housing that we place the pint size camera in just to balance it when we need Big Glass?????. Your thoughts?

ZeljkoS · 12-11-2014, 07:05 AM

I know there is still a huge market for big cameras. Look at Canikon full frames. People love those huge and heavy things.

Ricoh would not be wrong if they build a FF camera that is slightly larger than K3, but still smaller than Canikon FF.

There are tons of people who would jump on that camera, even if it's functionally the same as K3, just with a larger FF sensor.

Kunzite · 12-11-2014, 07:09 AM - **1 Like**

My hands didn't decreased in size since mirrorless appeared. I still like a comfortable grip. When using a larger lens, the grip is even more important.
The likes of A7 just don't cut it.

Zygonyx · 12-11-2014, 08:15 AM

A7II should be better.
Actually i/you could use Panasonic GH5, Olympus E-M1 and Samsung NX-1, because these cameras have "K-3 like" grips.

Kunzite · 12-11-2014, 08:43 AM

None of them is as good as a K-3/K-5 (for my hands), with the Panasonics being constantly quite bad, and the NX-1 surprisingly good comparing with other Samsungs - but still not up there. I'll try the A7II someday, out of curiosity, if I can be bothered to...
The best Pentax DSLR is the 645z. The worst, I guess the K-S1. I hope they'll go with something like a K-3-645z hybrid...

Clavius · 12-11-2014, 09:01 AM

The cameras with very best ergonomics ever, for me, were the K10d and K20d. With the new K-7 design my pinky falls off and supports the camera awkwardly from the bottom. After that nerf in ergonomics I quickly accepted that camera ergonomics isn't all that important if you don't hold it for hours on end. Now my cameras may be shaped like cube for all I care. The end result all that matters. So IQ and portability are most important.

Kunzite · 12-11-2014, 09:22 AM

I'm also keeping my pinky under the camera with my K-5IIs, but it's not uncomfortable. With the K-3 though that's not the case, I find its grip an improvement.
The 645z is a joy.

bobell69 · 12-11-2014, 09:42 AM

I agree, a body just slightly larger than the k3 would work fine.

aurele · 12-11-2014, 10:15 AM

Originally posted by ZeljkoS

I know there is still a huge market for big cameras. Look at Canikon full frames. People love those huge and heavy things.

it's not the "Big" that is a problem, more the "Heavy" i think. When i play with the 40D +70-200/2.8 of a friend, the combo is wayyyy to heavy, but the size is nice to hold overall.

Uluru · 12-11-2014, 03:25 PM

The Pentax branded FF will have that selectable mirror translucency thingie?
And a hybrid OVF/EVF? Which also means, best of both phase detect and contrast detect AF can offer?
Because all those technologies are made for each other.

So, don't expect your boring A7 or D810 dreams. I am expecting something much better next year.

philbaum · 12-11-2014, 03:48 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by aurele

it's not the "Big" that is a problem, more the "Heavy" i think. When i play with the 40D +70-200/2.8 of a friend, the combo is wayyyy to heavy, but the size is nice to hold overall.

I agree - heavy is not good. A friend brought his A7R and Sony 70-200 F4 the other day. The A7R is lighter than my K3 and just a bit, not much, smaller. Not sure i want to go that direction or not. But the Sony 70-200 F4 didn't seem larger or heavier than my favorite 50-135 F2.8 Pentax. Than i found out what the cost difference between an F4 and F2.8 is - wow - quite sure that i'll never get a 70-200/2.8. Too much weight and size for just one lens in the bag

Mistral75 · 12-11-2014, 03:58 PM

Originally posted by Clavius

The cameras with very best ergonomics ever, for me, were the K10d and K20d. With the new K-7 design my pinky falls off and supports the camera awkwardly from the bottom.
(...)

I totally agree with you and have therefore kept the K10D. Old as it may be, it's still better a camera than me a photographer.

i83N · 12-11-2014, 04:32 PM

Originally posted by bluelemon

Don't trust your lot either, should have stayed with Russia..

i agree

Siskan · 12-12-2014, 02:00 AM

I read about a FF coming out soon too... So... It may not be true?!!! I really WANT FF!!!!! Bhuaaaaaa!

12-11-2014, 06:28 AM	#632
twopolo New Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Posts: 4	Great News I was hopeing for a full frame from Pentax I love my K3 . It will be interesting to see the size and as the Sony A7 and Nikon D810 seem to have the market. Tom ---------- Post added 12-11-14 at 09:37 AM ---------- Perfect Camera? Is it the size of the Sony A7 , Mirrorless but yet has better lens selection and balance for superzooms. We still require Big Glass for quality while the Cameras can be pint size, Maybe we need a fake housing that we place the pint size camera in just to balance it when we need Big Glass?????. Your thoughts?

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12-11-2014, 02:29 AM	#631
bluelemon New Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Photos: Gallery Posts: 4	Originally posted by i83N I don't believe the French... Don't trust your lot either, should have stayed with Russia..

12-11-2014, 07:05 AM	#633
ZeljkoS Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 421	I know there is still a huge market for big cameras. Look at Canikon full frames. People love those huge and heavy things. Ricoh would not be wrong if they build a FF camera that is slightly larger than K3, but still smaller than Canikon FF. There are tons of people who would jump on that camera, even if it's functionally the same as K3, just with a larger FF sensor.

12-11-2014, 07:09 AM - 1 Like	#634
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	My hands didn't decreased in size since mirrorless appeared. I still like a comfortable grip. When using a larger lens, the grip is even more important. The likes of A7 just don't cut it.

12-11-2014, 08:15 AM	#635
Zygonyx Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Ile de France Posts: 4,033	A7II should be better. Actually i/you could use Panasonic GH5, Olympus E-M1 and Samsung NX-1, because these cameras have "K-3 like" grips.

12-11-2014, 08:43 AM	#636
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	None of them is as good as a K-3/K-5 (for my hands), with the Panasonics being constantly quite bad, and the NX-1 surprisingly good comparing with other Samsungs - but still not up there. I'll try the A7II someday, out of curiosity, if I can be bothered to... The best Pentax DSLR is the 645z. The worst, I guess the K-S1. I hope they'll go with something like a K-3-645z hybrid...

12-11-2014, 09:01 AM	#637
Clavius Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: De Klundert Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,150	The cameras with very best ergonomics ever, for me, were the K10d and K20d. With the new K-7 design my pinky falls off and supports the camera awkwardly from the bottom. After that nerf in ergonomics I quickly accepted that camera ergonomics isn't all that important if you don't hold it for hours on end. Now my cameras may be shaped like cube for all I care. The end result all that matters. So IQ and portability are most important.

12-11-2014, 09:22 AM	#638
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	I'm also keeping my pinky under the camera with my K-5IIs, but it's not uncomfortable. With the K-3 though that's not the case, I find its grip an improvement. The 645z is a joy.

12-11-2014, 09:42 AM	#639
bobell69 Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Courtenay BC Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 498	I agree, a body just slightly larger than the k3 would work fine.

12-11-2014, 10:15 AM	#640
aurele Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Paris, France Photos: Albums Posts: 3,217	Originally posted by ZeljkoS I know there is still a huge market for big cameras. Look at Canikon full frames. People love those huge and heavy things. it's not the "Big" that is a problem, more the "Heavy" i think. When i play with the 40D +70-200/2.8 of a friend, the combo is wayyyy to heavy, but the size is nice to hold overall.

12-11-2014, 03:25 PM	#641
Uluru Banned Join Date: May 2010 Location: Back to my Walkabout Creek Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,535	The Pentax branded FF will have that selectable mirror translucency thingie? And a hybrid OVF/EVF? Which also means, best of both phase detect and contrast detect AF can offer? Because all those technologies are made for each other. So, don't expect your boring A7 or D810 dreams. I am expecting something much better next year.

12-11-2014, 03:48 PM - 1 Like	#642
philbaum Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Port Townsend, Washington State, USA Posts: 3,659	Originally posted by aurele it's not the "Big" that is a problem, more the "Heavy" i think. When i play with the 40D +70-200/2.8 of a friend, the combo is wayyyy to heavy, but the size is nice to hold overall. I agree - heavy is not good. A friend brought his A7R and Sony 70-200 F4 the other day. The A7R is lighter than my K3 and just a bit, not much, smaller. Not sure i want to go that direction or not. But the Sony 70-200 F4 didn't seem larger or heavier than my favorite 50-135 F2.8 Pentax. Than i found out what the cost difference between an F4 and F2.8 is - wow - quite sure that i'll never get a 70-200/2.8. Too much weight and size for just one lens in the bag

12-11-2014, 03:58 PM	#643
Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,527 Original Poster	Originally posted by Clavius The cameras with very best ergonomics ever, for me, were the K10d and K20d. With the new K-7 design my pinky falls off and supports the camera awkwardly from the bottom. (...) I totally agree with you and have therefore kept the K10D. Old as it may be, it's still better a camera than me a photographer.

12-11-2014, 04:32 PM	#644
i83N Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Lithuania Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,203	Originally posted by bluelemon Don't trust your lot either, should have stayed with Russia.. i agree

12-12-2014, 02:00 AM	#645
Siskan Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Photos: Albums Posts: 31	I read about a FF coming out soon too... So... It may not be true?!!! I really WANT FF!!!!! Bhuaaaaaa!