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10-07-2014, 09:07 AM   #496
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QuoteOriginally posted by ElJamoquio Quote
When I spoke with Jim Malcolm, the impression I got was that he believed a FF was going to happen much sooner than now.

Although it's possible that I misread him, I don't think I did. Rather, I think the development has taken longer than an optimist would believe.
Talking to a Pentax rep is worth more than 1000 internet posts. I totally agree with this assessment. I also think there was a corporate decision to delay the FF and upgrade the 645D. When I spoke to the Pentax reps two years ago, the stock line was "The upgrade cycle on the 645D is 5 years." Well they changed it to four and put off the FF, and they said as much in their interviews. That was a pretty clear corporate decision, that seems to have paid off royally. And I think the determining factor in that was the need to get that new Sony sensor into the 645D as soon as possible to avoid losing ground in the MF market.

Those of us who have taken the time to talk to the reps and then read the "official" pronouncements seem to have a much different take on this, than many who haven't. I guess the hing is talking to the reps, they say some things with a smile on their face, and some things with frown. It changes dramatically how you interpret what they are saying. When he said "The upgrade cycle on the 645D is five years" he was frowning. (I took that to mean it was a point of contention within Pentax). When discussing the "no Full Frame", big smile (I took that to mean, I can't tell you, but you're going to like what I can't tell you.) . I know people will discount that kind of thing...but it's just as important a part of a discussion as anything that's being said, because it's a tip off to what he knows, but isn't saying.


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10-07-2014, 10:31 AM   #497
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QuoteOriginally posted by Clavius Quote
I still think that people just venting their frustrations is a much more realistic scenario then wild theories about sociopathic attention seeking and/or commercial interest. We all know there are vastly more efficient ways of doing both.
Reality is likely a mix of all cases. Some look for attention... Some like to make tricks or game others (they like to troll if you prefer). Some just think they are right and you are wrong, and see it like a competition and want to win the argument. Some need other to do the same as they do (and to do the same as others) so they can feel they do it right and they are part of smart of group, of the smart guy in control.

Then it is also known as effective and part of marketing practices to be active on different kind of media to convince people your products are better and other products are worse. This can also be very cheap to do, lot of cheaper than spending millions in TV ads.

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I can understand why competitors and haters would post and argue on a Forum such as this - but why do the fans and brand lovers respond to them?
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I can understand why competitors and haters would post and argue on a Forum such as this - but why do the fans and brand lovers respond to them?
Because we can...

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but why do the fans and brand lovers respond to them?
Well, as you all know, I am very taciturn; but on rare occasions I feel an unusual compulsion to express an opinion.
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And the worst part of all: they're obsessed with getting just one eye in focus.
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QuoteOriginally posted by RonHendriks1966 Quote
I do wonder to, but it was said once in an interview that going to market with a new product takes one and a half year.

You need:
- new body
- new sensor module
- new SR mechanisme for the heavier sensormodule
- new firmware
- all the rest could be K-3 technic.
- at least one new standard zoom lens.
- a box to put it al in.
All-new model required. K3 isn't God and known issues need correcting - AF tracking and more points over the bigger finder, etc. Anything less than full-on the best they can do won't be enough when the question "Why Pentax?" comes up. None of this is easy. It's hard. A parts bin special would be a disaster.
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QuoteOriginally posted by jsherman999 Quote
And the worst part of all: they're obsessed with getting just one eye in focus.
That's a given...

So if it's a one eyed pirate, do you focus on the patch, or the eye? Inquisitive minds want to know.


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It seems that Ricoh will not release a FF anytime soon but still keeping that faith that they would, early next year, mid next year...and so on. For quite sometime, I am thinking of owning FA lenses 77mm, 31mm and 85mm as they have really good reviews but not really sure if they are really good investments should an FF comes out (am just a photo enthusiast) and would it be better to buy these lenses now? The reason I asked is because if Ricoh would release a FF sometime, does it follow that these FA lenses will also become more expensive and harder to find. Apologies, if I had to write on this section but any advice from anyone is appreciated. Thanks.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Parallax Quote
I am very taciturn
Aren't we one for the big words today!!!
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It seems that Ricoh will not release a FF anytime soon but still keeping that faith that they would, early next year, mid next year...and so on. For quite sometime, I am thinking of owning FA lenses 77mm, 31mm and 85mm as they have really good reviews but not really sure if they are really good investments should an FF comes out (am just a photo enthusiast) and would it be better to buy these lenses now? The reason I asked is because if Ricoh would release a FF sometime, does it follow that these FA lenses will also become more expensive and harder to find. Apologies, if I had to write on this section but any advice from anyone is appreciated. Thanks.

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To me the biggest issue right now is, if Pentax were to release a FF frame with shake reduction, would the old FA lenses have an image circle big enough to allow it's use. If you're going to use an FA on a tripod on a 2 second delay it makes no difference. If you're going to shoot concerts or something that needs the extra couple stops SR provides, you might want to wait and find out what the final deal is.

The only reason I don't have those lenses is they are above my spending limit. I'd buy them for their use on APS-c. Whatever I could get out of them on a Full Frame would be bonus. But simple fact is, it will be the lenses or the FF for me. If I go for an FF, it'll be years before I can afford either, and I'll be working with what I have.

The only FA lenses that will be harder to find will be the old ones. Mind you, you're talking about FA ltds which are hand assembled. It is conceivable there might be a short backlog upon release of an FF, it's a speculation with some credibility, but still, speculation.
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And the worst part of all: they're obsessed with getting just one eye in focus.
LOL
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QuoteOriginally posted by Parallax Quote
but on rare occasions I feel an unusual compulsion to express an opinion.
Well said!
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Aren't we one for the big words today!!!
And three syllable big words at that, I make a concerted effort to never go over two syllables.. it comes from having taught High School. In High School any concept that involves too many 3 syllable words won't be understood by more than half of your class.
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And three syllable big words at that
I define big words not by their syllable count, but by whether I need to Google 'em.
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