More full-frame smoke, but still no fire, this time from photographyblog

**Miguel** · 09-18-2014, 09:06 PM - **1 Like**

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bobdobbs, you should be totally sympathetic towards slackers like Ricoh.

ALL HAIL !!!!

M

**todd** · 09-18-2014, 09:11 PM

Originally posted by bobdobbs

D750

I wanted the D700 for a long time and the D750 has definite allure with where it's sitting in specs and price, but me and my Three Amigos have all eyes fixed on the horizon at this point.

bobdobbs · 09-18-2014, 09:16 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Miguel

bobdobbs, you should be totally sympathetic towards slackers like Ricoh.

ALL HAIL !!!!

M

redcat · 09-19-2014, 01:22 AM

Originally posted by MarkJerling

I've written to Ricoh HQ, Japan, and have received an affirmative reply, very recently. So, sorry, my comments are not just wishful thinking.

Could you please share with us their reply ?

Cynog Ap Brychan · 09-19-2014, 01:45 AM

Of course Pentax engineers are working on a full frame camera, but will they ever release one and, if so, how soon? That's the question. Out of the nine major camera manufacturers four produce full frame. Why don't the others? Who knows? Perhaps they don't see sufficient demand to warrant going into production, Perhaps they are keeping their powder dry and like Pentax are "developing" a full frame camera. Ricoh has said that it will "study market conditions" before deciding whether to produce an FF camera, which might mean anything. I hope they do, but more than that, I hope their business strategy ensures that Pentax cameras will be made long after I am gone.

**Deimos** · 09-19-2014, 02:29 AM

Originally posted by Cynog Ap Brychan

Of course Pentax engineers are working on a full frame camera, but will they ever release one and, if so, how soon? That's the question. Out of the nine major camera manufacturers four produce full frame. Why don't the others? Who knows? Perhaps they don't see sufficient demand to warrant going into production, Perhaps they are keeping their powder dry and like Pentax are "developing" a full frame camera. Ricoh has said that it will "study market conditions" before deciding whether to produce an FF camera, which might mean anything. I hope they do, but more than that, I hope their business strategy ensures that Pentax cameras will be made long after I am gone.

What has changed as far as I can tell, is they have gone from deciding whether to produce a FF camera, they have, to deciding when to release it. If you look at recent releases, it makes economic sense to delay a FF launch till the new year.

ogl · 09-19-2014, 02:46 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Cynog Ap Brychan

Of course Pentax engineers are working on a full frame camera, but will they ever release one and, if so, how soon? That's the question. Out of the nine major camera manufacturers four produce full frame. Why don't the others? Who knows? Perhaps they don't see sufficient demand to warrant going into production, Perhaps they are keeping their powder dry and like Pentax are "developing" a full frame camera. Ricoh has said that it will "study market conditions" before deciding whether to produce an FF camera, which might mean anything. I hope they do, but more than that, I hope their business strategy ensures that Pentax cameras will be made long after I am gone.

Canon, Nikon, Sony, Leica - produce
Olympus and Panasonic - the system is 100% crop-system.
Sigma - it could I think, but FOVEON is too expensive and it's enough to have APS-C FOVEON cameras at the market.
Sigma is rather marginal player on camera market.
Samsung - crop system and APS-C lenses.
Fuji is the same as Samsung.

Only Pentax has FF lenses in production and has no FF camera.

**baldeagle21b** · 09-19-2014, 03:18 AM

Originally posted by Cynog Ap Brychan

Of course Pentax engineers are working on a full frame camera, but will they ever release one and, if so, how soon? That's the question. Out of the nine major camera manufacturers four produce full frame. Why don't the others? Who knows? Perhaps they don't see sufficient demand to warrant going into production, Perhaps they are keeping their powder dry and like Pentax are "developing" a full frame camera. Ricoh has said that it will "study market conditions" before deciding whether to produce an FF camera, which might mean anything. I hope they do, but more than that, I hope their business strategy ensures that Pentax cameras will be made long after I am gone.

"Study market conditions" means exactly what it says. Each corporation must build a business case for a product in development prior to release to manufacturing. The efforts by Pentax personnel to build a solid enough business case for a FF body by Pentax have never been convincing enough to give the product a green light. That's the only reason that there has not been one to date, and no words written in these forums will ever change that or affect the decision in any way. That's my first and last post on this topic.

bobdobbs · 09-19-2014, 03:48 AM - **2 Likes**

I interpret "study market conditions" as "see how much longer we can milk our current products".

But that's just me.

thibs · 09-19-2014, 05:56 AM

Originally posted by Winder

They couldn't even provide lenses with marking on them. Apparently they are not very close to production.

Of course they could. They did not for obvious reasons.

**monochrome** · 09-19-2014, 06:06 AM

Originally posted by GoremanX

blablabla... That's been "confirmed" for years now. Still waiting...

Dude . . . .. that attitude is so yesterday.

**monochrome** · 09-19-2014, 06:08 AM

Originally posted by Cynog Ap Brychan

Of course Pentax engineers are working on a full frame camera, but will they ever release one and, if so, how soon? . . . . snip

Within nine months.

Clavius · 09-19-2014, 06:09 AM

Originally posted by bobdobbs

I have to say, all the little leaks are working on me. I stopped by my local friendly camera store today, just to "feel" a Nikon D610 and a Sony A7, and I have to say neither of them sucked. I wouldn't buy a D610, since the D750 is just around the corner, but the Sony is tempting considering I could mount Pentax-M glass on it, it's tiny, fast, and has a really nice EVF.

But you know that Pentax FF is going to set you back at least $2000,- if not more. While you can also get a nice deal on that tiny Sony A7 for $1,399 on eBay US (Click here). You can get a nice small FE prime for what you save there.

Zygonyx · 09-19-2014, 06:20 AM

... "nice small FE prime".... how many with decent IQ ?
Pentax FF speculation : no date, no price... are you nostradamus ?

**luftfluss** · 09-19-2014, 06:22 AM

Originally posted by Zygonyx

... "nice small FE prime".... how many with decent IQ ?

Zeiss Sonnar FE 35/2.8 comes to mind.

09-19-2014, 06:20 AM	#29
Zygonyx Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Ile de France Posts: 4,033	... "nice small FE prime".... how many with decent IQ ? Pentax FF speculation : no date, no price... are you nostradamus ? Last edited by Zygonyx; 09-19-2014 at 06:27 AM.

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09-18-2014, 09:06 PM - 1 Like	#16
Miguel Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Near Seattle Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,743	Staff note: This post may contain affiliate links, which means Pentax Forums may earn a small commission if a visitor clicks through and makes a purchase. If you would like to support the forum directly, you may also make a donation here. bobdobbs, you should be totally sympathetic towards slackers like Ricoh. ALL HAIL !!!! M

09-18-2014, 09:11 PM	#17
todd Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Arizona Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,799	Originally posted by bobdobbs D750 I wanted the D700 for a long time and the D750 has definite allure with where it's sitting in specs and price, but me and my Three Amigos have all eyes fixed on the horizon at this point.

09-18-2014, 09:16 PM - 1 Like	#18
bobdobbs Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: Saigon Posts: 92 Original Poster	Originally posted by Miguel bobdobbs, you should be totally sympathetic towards slackers like Ricoh. ALL HAIL !!!! M

09-19-2014, 01:22 AM	#19
redcat Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Paris Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,939	Originally posted by MarkJerling I've written to Ricoh HQ, Japan, and have received an affirmative reply, very recently. So, sorry, my comments are not just wishful thinking. Could you please share with us their reply ?

09-19-2014, 01:45 AM	#20
Cynog Ap Brychan Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Gloucester Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,199	Of course Pentax engineers are working on a full frame camera, but will they ever release one and, if so, how soon? That's the question. Out of the nine major camera manufacturers four produce full frame. Why don't the others? Who knows? Perhaps they don't see sufficient demand to warrant going into production, Perhaps they are keeping their powder dry and like Pentax are "developing" a full frame camera. Ricoh has said that it will "study market conditions" before deciding whether to produce an FF camera, which might mean anything. I hope they do, but more than that, I hope their business strategy ensures that Pentax cameras will be made long after I am gone.

09-19-2014, 02:29 AM	#21
Deimos Site Supporter Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Kingdom of Wonder Posts: 1,777	Originally posted by Cynog Ap Brychan Of course Pentax engineers are working on a full frame camera, but will they ever release one and, if so, how soon? That's the question. Out of the nine major camera manufacturers four produce full frame. Why don't the others? Who knows? Perhaps they don't see sufficient demand to warrant going into production, Perhaps they are keeping their powder dry and like Pentax are "developing" a full frame camera. Ricoh has said that it will "study market conditions" before deciding whether to produce an FF camera, which might mean anything. I hope they do, but more than that, I hope their business strategy ensures that Pentax cameras will be made long after I am gone. What has changed as far as I can tell, is they have gone from deciding whether to produce a FF camera, they have, to deciding when to release it. If you look at recent releases, it makes economic sense to delay a FF launch till the new year.

09-19-2014, 02:46 AM - 1 Like	#22
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Originally posted by Cynog Ap Brychan Of course Pentax engineers are working on a full frame camera, but will they ever release one and, if so, how soon? That's the question. Out of the nine major camera manufacturers four produce full frame. Why don't the others? Who knows? Perhaps they don't see sufficient demand to warrant going into production, Perhaps they are keeping their powder dry and like Pentax are "developing" a full frame camera. Ricoh has said that it will "study market conditions" before deciding whether to produce an FF camera, which might mean anything. I hope they do, but more than that, I hope their business strategy ensures that Pentax cameras will be made long after I am gone. Canon, Nikon, Sony, Leica - produce Olympus and Panasonic - the system is 100% crop-system. Sigma - it could I think, but FOVEON is too expensive and it's enough to have APS-C FOVEON cameras at the market. Sigma is rather marginal player on camera market. Samsung - crop system and APS-C lenses. Fuji is the same as Samsung. Only Pentax has FF lenses in production and has no FF camera.

09-19-2014, 03:18 AM	#23
baldeagle21b Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 223	Originally posted by Cynog Ap Brychan Of course Pentax engineers are working on a full frame camera, but will they ever release one and, if so, how soon? That's the question. Out of the nine major camera manufacturers four produce full frame. Why don't the others? Who knows? Perhaps they don't see sufficient demand to warrant going into production, Perhaps they are keeping their powder dry and like Pentax are "developing" a full frame camera. Ricoh has said that it will "study market conditions" before deciding whether to produce an FF camera, which might mean anything. I hope they do, but more than that, I hope their business strategy ensures that Pentax cameras will be made long after I am gone. "Study market conditions" means exactly what it says. Each corporation must build a business case for a product in development prior to release to manufacturing. The efforts by Pentax personnel to build a solid enough business case for a FF body by Pentax have never been convincing enough to give the product a green light. That's the only reason that there has not been one to date, and no words written in these forums will ever change that or affect the decision in any way. That's my first and last post on this topic.

09-19-2014, 03:48 AM - 2 Likes	#24
bobdobbs Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: Saigon Posts: 92 Original Poster	I interpret "study market conditions" as "see how much longer we can milk our current products". But that's just me.

09-19-2014, 05:56 AM	#25
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Originally posted by Winder They couldn't even provide lenses with marking on them. Apparently they are not very close to production. Of course they could. They did not for obvious reasons.

09-19-2014, 06:06 AM	#26
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by GoremanX blablabla... That's been "confirmed" for years now. Still waiting... Dude . . . .. that attitude is so yesterday.

09-19-2014, 06:08 AM	#27
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by Cynog Ap Brychan Of course Pentax engineers are working on a full frame camera, but will they ever release one and, if so, how soon? . . . . snip Within nine months.

09-19-2014, 06:09 AM	#28
Clavius Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: De Klundert Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,150	Originally posted by bobdobbs I have to say, all the little leaks are working on me. I stopped by my local friendly camera store today, just to "feel" a Nikon D610 and a Sony A7, and I have to say neither of them sucked. I wouldn't buy a D610, since the D750 is just around the corner, but the Sony is tempting considering I could mount Pentax-M glass on it, it's tiny, fast, and has a really nice EVF. But you know that Pentax FF is going to set you back at least $2000,- if not more. While you can also get a nice deal on that tiny Sony A7 for $1,399 on eBay US (Click here). You can get a nice small FE prime for what you save there.

09-19-2014, 06:22 AM	#30
luftfluss Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: NJ Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 11,626	Originally posted by Zygonyx ... "nice small FE prime".... how many with decent IQ ? Zeiss Sonnar FE 35/2.8 comes to mind.