Originally posted by monochrome You're just arguing to be argumentative.
I didn't think so.
Originally posted by monochrome This is a different owner. They've said they're going to be the alternative, or third full-line camera maker. They've already done an APSc. They've already done a cropped MF using essentially the same components. Clearly the supposed FF will use essentially the same cmponents as the K-3 and 645Z.
They're releasing clearly FF-capable lenses. They're expanding the APSc line to be a new-buyer attractor and Q line to be a new buyer attractor. They're doing what any serious consumer products company does to develop its products and lines.
They're using different words and doing different things and saying things in a different way than they have for all those past years you referred to. Perhaps you haven't watched and listened long enough to sense the change.
Possible. I do sense a shift every year or two with respect to their attitude on FF.
Originally posted by monochrome I think they have the camera essentially ready to go. I think now they're arranging the component supplies and the production facility.
I wouldn't think so. If they decide to delay 6-9 months, the body becomes fairly outdated. A year and it's basically a boat anchor. I do think they have several prototypes that serve different functions, but I wouldn't expect a high degree of finish to any of them.
Originally posted by monochrome The key is, neither of us has any real basis to make informed statements about whether or not they're going to make a FF camera,
Wrong. They SAID they aren't doing it now. This isn't me, this is them.
Originally posted by monochrome so why make such a big deal if those of us who think they are going to discuss the changed tone? What difference does it make to you that you have to be right about them NOT making one?
No difference - and I don't even want to be right about this. I'd like to be wrong, because I'd like to have a Pentax Kmount FF.
But it's amazing how they say one thing, and the forums get lathered up in the opposite direction:
Pentax @ Photokina: We ain't doin' FF!
PentaxForums chatter: FF is coming next year! Yay!!!
I mean really. What do they have to do? Write it in six foot tall pink letters on the side of the trade show?
"PENTAX: NO FF THIS YEAR. MOVE ALONG!"
Originally posted by monochrome What can you possibly get out of insisting I and others like me are wrong? Why are you so certain you know more than experienced interviewers writing articles with a Byline?
Really - what, precisely do you get for making these posts?
Articles with a byline? Really?
I'm just pointing out the obvious. I get nothing from it, except now, a headache.
They are not selling FF at this time. That's what they said, and that's what they are (not) doing.
I never said I had a crystal ball. I don't know anyone special.
And I'm sure in a while, I think not too long, they will decide to market a FF camera. I'm sure it'll be great.
But it's just astounding when a company says, in the interview, "We are not going to sell FF now." And as if by magic, there is no FF on the trade show floor. What they said and what they did match. No FF. None.
Nada. Zip. Zero.
But yet this forum goes ballistic with "FF next year!"
I used to be in that camp. It's fun. I get it. But for pete's sake, it's been 5-6 years, now, right?
Sure, they had some unmarked lenses with that 'New FF smell' on them. Sure, they said 'We may release FF if the market study is right'.
All they said was basically 'wait and see... and then maybe. or not.'