More full-frame smoke, but still no fire, this time from photographyblog

IchabodCrane · 10-24-2014, 05:53 AM

Originally posted by Nicolas06

It they where really practical, everybody would instantly see the difference between FF shoots and APSC shoots, regardless of apperture, isos, speed. Most of time through, compare A4 prints (8x12") and you'll not be able to see any difference. It is not like we were speaking something substencial like FF vs 8"x10" where the 8"x10" would really have and edge (even today with film).

I can clearly see the difference between APS-C and FF photos shot with low light.

normhead · 10-24-2014, 06:35 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by IchabodCrane

I can clearly see the difference between APS-C and FF photos shot with low light.

But I hate them both, FF shot in low light and APS-c shot in low light... I refuse to speculate on which I might like more. Once you get to a certain level of noise, it can become kind of campy.. where more might be preferable. But I don't do that style, so I'm just speculating.

Pentaxino · 10-24-2014, 10:38 AM

They brought the price of K-3 down to now $896.95... FF soon to be out maybe?

ElJamoquio · 10-24-2014, 10:57 AM

Usually the manufacturers will try to move heaven and earth to push up a product to make it out before Christmas.

If they planned to have it out for christmas they would've announced it by now... or very very soon, and we don't have any rumors to that effect.

Since they couldn't compress timing to before Christmas, I would expect a Spring launch at the earliest.

Nicolas06 · 10-24-2014, 11:18 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by normhead

But I hate them both, FF shot in low light and APS-c shot in low light... I refuse to speculate on which I might like more. Once you get to a certain level of noise, it can become kind of campy.. where more might be preferable. But I don't do that style, so I'm just speculating.

Come on ! You can choose between very noisy, subject fully in focus (with same level of noise for APSC and FF as APSC can be kept more open) or not noisy but mostly out of focus with wide apperture ! With APSC you get a little more in focus and a little more noisy while with FF you get a little less in focus and a little less noisy !

That's game changer

normhead · 10-24-2014, 11:25 AM

Originally posted by Nicolas06

Come on ! You can choose between very noisy, subject fully in focus (with same level of noise for APSC and FF as APSC can be kept more open) or not noisy but mostly out of focus with wide apperture ! With APSC you get a little more in focus and a little more noisy while with FF you get a little less in focus and a little less noisy !

That's game changer

Choose which one I hate more? hmmm... why would I do that?

Which do you like best, being hit in the head by a hammer, or being hit in the head by a baseball bat?

Nicolas06 · 10-24-2014, 11:32 AM

Originally posted by IchabodCrane

I can clearly see the difference between APS-C and FF photos shot with low light.

A few low light shoots, would you get the APSC or FF ones ?

Last edited by Nicolas06; 10-24-2014 at 11:51 AM.

Poit · 10-24-2014, 01:32 PM

Originally posted by Pentaxino

They brought the price of K-3 down to now $896.95... FF soon to be out maybe?

Agreed, they certainly seem to be milking K-3 sales now in preparation for the next K-mount release. Either K-3 replacement or FF (the latter is the more likely, all things considered, methinks)

Originally posted by ElJamoquio

Usually the manufacturers will try to move heaven and earth to push up a product to make it out before Christmas.

If they planned to have it out for christmas they would've announced it by now... or very very soon, and we don't have any rumors to that effect.

Since they couldn't compress timing to before Christmas, I would expect a Spring launch at the earliest.

Also agreed. The proximity of Christmas makes a 2014 announcement highly unlikely.

**monochrome** · 10-24-2014, 02:02 PM

Yep to all - plus I think Ricoh seems to release bodies, especially, but anything -- when it is ready for release, and not before.

RonHendriks1966 · 10-24-2014, 02:33 PM

Originally posted by monochrome

Yep to all - plus I think Ricoh seems to release bodies, especially, but anything -- when it is ready for release, and not before.

I see that as a very good thing!

ElJamoquio · 10-24-2014, 02:35 PM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by ElJamoquio

expect a Spring launch

You said 'spring launch'.

totsmuyco · 10-24-2014, 04:35 PM

I believe there will be a FF camera next year. I think that's what those unofficially announced lenses are for in Photokina and I'm sure those who can wait will like it. Still there will be those who will continue to have negative opinions about Pentax/Ricoh even if they come up with the FF product.

However, I would wish Pentax/Ricoh would keep us (those who opt to stay with APS-C) happy. I would like to see a K-3II without the mirror flap problem, a successor of the K-50 with high mega pixel sensor and with a possible battery grip option. Sensors for both that would be usable at 6400 on low light conditions.

Maybe this will make us all happy.

noser · 10-25-2014, 09:41 AM

Originally posted by rawr

It's often not THAT bright.

'Full frame' film cameras like my MX have lovely bright OVF's, but that brightness doesn't seem to have transferred across completely to FF digital.

I've been spending some time recently behind a D610 viewfinder, and while it is bigger, it doesn't seem that much brighter at all compared to a K-3. Maybe all the overlays they put on OVF's nowadays - AF points, grids etc - dim the view a bit.

Originally posted by Cynog Ap Brychan

I'd go along with this. I have a D810, and I really don't see the viewfinder as that much better than my K-3 - I can manually focus fine with both. And neither comes close to the MX.

Like I said, Nikons have their quirks.

But it's a fair point that FF digitials may not have as bright a VF like film does.

Still bigger though... and I like that - especially now that I'm a bit older.

**Fontan** · 10-25-2014, 09:55 AM

Originally posted by ElJamoquio

You said 'spring launch'.

Oh I would love to sling a pile of crap with this like they do!

Galileo'sDog · 10-25-2014, 12:01 PM

I just want to point out that with the recent price drop of the K-3, though its probably obvious to a lot of us, that something new is certainly on the way soon. When the price of the K-5 dropped--that is when I bought mine--it wasn't but a few months later that the K-5ii and K-5iiS came out. As tempted as I am to buy a K-3, particularly with the extras that Adorama and B&H are offering along with it, I think I shall bide my time and see what that next thing will be. Hopefully it will be a full frame DSLR or at least, having experienced the dreaded mirror flap issue myself, an improved version of the K-3 (now flap free!).

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10-24-2014, 05:53 AM	#646
IchabodCrane Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,728	Originally posted by Nicolas06 It they where really practical, everybody would instantly see the difference between FF shoots and APSC shoots, regardless of apperture, isos, speed. Most of time through, compare A4 prints (8x12") and you'll not be able to see any difference. It is not like we were speaking something substencial like FF vs 8"x10" where the 8"x10" would really have and edge (even today with film). I can clearly see the difference between APS-C and FF photos shot with low light.

10-24-2014, 06:35 AM - 1 Like	#647
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,451	Originally posted by IchabodCrane I can clearly see the difference between APS-C and FF photos shot with low light. But I hate them both, FF shot in low light and APS-c shot in low light... I refuse to speculate on which I might like more. Once you get to a certain level of noise, it can become kind of campy.. where more might be preferable. But I don't do that style, so I'm just speculating.

10-24-2014, 10:38 AM	#648
Pentaxino Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Dubai Photos: Albums Posts: 25	They brought the price of K-3 down to now $896.95... FF soon to be out maybe?

10-24-2014, 10:57 AM	#649
ElJamoquio Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 4,873	Usually the manufacturers will try to move heaven and earth to push up a product to make it out before Christmas. If they planned to have it out for christmas they would've announced it by now... or very very soon, and we don't have any rumors to that effect. Since they couldn't compress timing to before Christmas, I would expect a Spring launch at the earliest.

10-24-2014, 11:18 AM - 1 Like	#650
Nicolas06 Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 4,854	Originally posted by normhead But I hate them both, FF shot in low light and APS-c shot in low light... I refuse to speculate on which I might like more. Once you get to a certain level of noise, it can become kind of campy.. where more might be preferable. But I don't do that style, so I'm just speculating. Come on ! You can choose between very noisy, subject fully in focus (with same level of noise for APSC and FF as APSC can be kept more open) or not noisy but mostly out of focus with wide apperture ! With APSC you get a little more in focus and a little more noisy while with FF you get a little less in focus and a little less noisy ! That's game changer

10-24-2014, 11:25 AM	#651
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,451	Originally posted by Nicolas06 Come on ! You can choose between very noisy, subject fully in focus (with same level of noise for APSC and FF as APSC can be kept more open) or not noisy but mostly out of focus with wide apperture ! With APSC you get a little more in focus and a little more noisy while with FF you get a little less in focus and a little less noisy ! That's game changer Choose which one I hate more? hmmm... why would I do that? Which do you like best, being hit in the head by a hammer, or being hit in the head by a baseball bat?

10-24-2014, 11:32 AM	#652
Nicolas06 Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 4,854	Originally posted by IchabodCrane I can clearly see the difference between APS-C and FF photos shot with low light. A few low light shoots, would you get the APSC or FF ones ? Last edited by Nicolas06; 10-24-2014 at 11:51 AM.

10-24-2014, 01:32 PM	#653
Poit Banned Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Canberra, Australia Posts: 423	Originally posted by Pentaxino They brought the price of K-3 down to now $896.95... FF soon to be out maybe? Agreed, they certainly seem to be milking K-3 sales now in preparation for the next K-mount release. Either K-3 replacement or FF (the latter is the more likely, all things considered, methinks) Originally posted by ElJamoquio Usually the manufacturers will try to move heaven and earth to push up a product to make it out before Christmas. If they planned to have it out for christmas they would've announced it by now... or very very soon, and we don't have any rumors to that effect. Since they couldn't compress timing to before Christmas, I would expect a Spring launch at the earliest. Also agreed. The proximity of Christmas makes a 2014 announcement highly unlikely.

10-24-2014, 02:02 PM	#654
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Yep to all - plus I think Ricoh seems to release bodies, especially, but anything -- when it is ready for release, and not before.

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RonHendriks1966 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,675	Originally posted by monochrome Yep to all - plus I think Ricoh seems to release bodies, especially, but anything -- when it is ready for release, and not before. I see that as a very good thing!

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10-24-2014, 02:35 PM - 2 Likes	#656
ElJamoquio Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 4,873	Originally posted by ElJamoquio expect a Spring launch You said 'spring launch'.

10-24-2014, 04:35 PM	#657
totsmuyco Pentaxian Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Iloilo City Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,276	I believe there will be a FF camera next year. I think that's what those unofficially announced lenses are for in Photokina and I'm sure those who can wait will like it. Still there will be those who will continue to have negative opinions about Pentax/Ricoh even if they come up with the FF product. However, I would wish Pentax/Ricoh would keep us (those who opt to stay with APS-C) happy. I would like to see a K-3II without the mirror flap problem, a successor of the K-50 with high mega pixel sensor and with a possible battery grip option. Sensors for both that would be usable at 6400 on low light conditions. Maybe this will make us all happy.

10-25-2014, 09:41 AM	#658
noser Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Calgary, AB CA Photos: Gallery Posts: 292	Originally posted by rawr It's often not THAT bright. 'Full frame' film cameras like my MX have lovely bright OVF's, but that brightness doesn't seem to have transferred across completely to FF digital. I've been spending some time recently behind a D610 viewfinder, and while it is bigger, it doesn't seem that much brighter at all compared to a K-3. Maybe all the overlays they put on OVF's nowadays - AF points, grids etc - dim the view a bit. Originally posted by Cynog Ap Brychan I'd go along with this. I have a D810, and I really don't see the viewfinder as that much better than my K-3 - I can manually focus fine with both. And neither comes close to the MX. Like I said, Nikons have their quirks. But it's a fair point that FF digitials may not have as bright a VF like film does. Still bigger though... and I like that - especially now that I'm a bit older.

10-25-2014, 09:55 AM	#659
Fontan Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: 5th floor Posts: 1,610	Originally posted by ElJamoquio You said 'spring launch'. Oh I would love to sling a pile of crap with this like they do!

10-25-2014, 12:01 PM	#660
Galileo'sDog New Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Seffner, Florida Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 11	I just want to point out that with the recent price drop of the K-3, though its probably obvious to a lot of us, that something new is certainly on the way soon. When the price of the K-5 dropped--that is when I bought mine--it wasn't but a few months later that the K-5ii and K-5iiS came out. As tempted as I am to buy a K-3, particularly with the extras that Adorama and B&H are offering along with it, I think I shall bide my time and see what that next thing will be. Hopefully it will be a full frame DSLR or at least, having experienced the dreaded mirror flap issue myself, an improved version of the K-3 (now flap free!).