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10-04-2014, 11:39 AM   #106
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QuoteOriginally posted by monochrome Quote
If Ricoh waits long enough that old glass just won't work anyway. (heavy, big, CA, PF, sensor ghosting, distortion, decentering, decolimation, crappy old styling, poor exposure control).

They don't care about legacy lenses. The mountain of FF glass just waiting for a FF body is a myth. Hasn't kept anyone from buying DA lenses.

That's because the FF has been PAINFULLY slow to materialize. Things will be different this time around.....(knock on wood)

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if they go with FF Mirrorless, they can do what Sony has: offer a new mount with an adapter for legacy lenses. Problem solved.

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if they go with FF Mirrorless, they can do what Sony has: offer a new mount with an adapter for legacy lenses. Problem solved.

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This will typically decrease the value of legacy lens. It is more conveniant to use a native smaller lens optimized for the system than one with an adapter ! If also they remove the body motor, many screw drive lenses might loose AF entirely.
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QuoteOriginally posted by MJSfoto1956 Quote
if they go with FF Mirrorless, they can do what Sony has: offer a new mount with an adapter for legacy lenses. Problem solved.

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They already have a mirrorless camera line with a different mount and an adapter for legacy lenses. Problem already solved.

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QuoteOriginally posted by monochrome Quote
They already have a mirrorless camera line with a different mount and an adapter for legacy lenses. Problem already solved.
lol.. but not FF
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QuoteOriginally posted by Nicolas06 Quote
This will typically decrease the value of legacy lens.
I was responding to how they keep the profits up if a "sea of old FF lenses" concerns them. FF mirrorless solves the problem and allows legacy lenses to continue to work with the new system. AND they can develop newer, lighter, sharper lenses specifically for the new mount. And the new mount wouldn't really compete with their well-developed crop-sensor series. Likely a win-win for them (as long as such an adapter would allow full AF features -- i.e. it would need a screw drive).

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The R&D cost of a new MILC mount is prohibitive.

The price alone of new FF lenses will be sufficient to limit sales to the point that legacy lenses won't matter.
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That's a profit killer for any camera brand.
I'm not here for Ricoh's bank account.

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Most of the old lenses FF are manual focus, and those that aren't are screw drive, have dated optical designs/coatings/etc. It's not like there are a "sea" of FA limiteds out there. Sure, there will be those (myself included) who will primarily shoot legacy glass, but there will still be plenty of incentive for buyers to also purchase new digital-optimized, silent focusing lenses for a K mount FF body, particularly in zooms and telephotos where the benefits of more modern designs are more obviously realized.

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I was responding to how they keep the profits up if a "sea of old FF lenses" concerns them. FF mirrorless solves the problem and allows legacy lenses to continue to work with the new system. AND they can develop newer, lighter, sharper lenses specifically for the new mount. And the new mount wouldn't really compete with their well-developed crop-sensor series. Likely a win-win for them (as long as such an adapter would allow full AF features -- i.e. it would need a screw drive).

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QuoteOriginally posted by MJSfoto1956 Quote
I was responding to how they keep the profits up if a "sea of old FF lenses" concerns them. FF mirrorless solves the problem and allows legacy lenses to continue to work with the new system. AND they can develop newer, lighter, sharper lenses specifically for the new mount. And the new mount wouldn't really compete with their well-developed crop-sensor series. Likely a win-win for them (as long as such an adapter would allow full AF features -- i.e. it would need a screw drive).

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None of those is a benefit in Ricoh's brand philosophy. Ricoh is committed to K-mount, Q and 645. It is a firm commitment. There won't be a new mount any time soon.
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A FF mirrorless is not such a walk in a park, and IMHO it would make things more difficult - there would be no support from an existing user base, because there would be none. It's easiest to sell to your existing customers, and hardest to steal the competition's...
And let's not forget that APS-C users are also buying FF lenses. I think this should compensate for the imaginary "legacy lens problem" several times over
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I work for a cinema camera rental company in Los Angeles. In addition to renting existing equipment, we have an in-house engineering team. The company has developed several products that have made significant waves in the industry, and we have a constant stream of new customers who would never have heard of our company, if not for the new products we offer.

This idea that R&D is prohibitively expensive is arrogant and uninformed. Unless one has intimate knowledge of Ricoh's R&D budget and existing catalog of R&D work, one can't possibly know what is "prohibitively" expensive and what is not. Who's to say such work hasn't been in progress for years? Who's to say Ricoh is incapable of looking at the published patents by other companies, or the more than a century's worth of optical scientific literature?

The myriad of camera companies that have sprung up in the last few years, especially the very small ones, should show us that it is possible for a company to make a product, and that, if the product fills a need or is of sufficient perceived quality, it can attract customers.

Right now, Sigma's lens designs are garnering more prestige then Pentax's. SIGMA. That should tell us all we need to know. If Sigma can come up with lenses that are some of the crown jewels of the photographic world, I believe Ricoh can, too. If they don't want to, that is up to them. But I don't think any of us has any reason to think they are not capable.

Unless some of us have information that the rest of us do not.
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QuoteOriginally posted by fuent104 Quote
Right now, Sigma's lens designs are garnering more prestige then Pentax's. SIGMA. That should tell us all we need to know. If Sigma can come up with lenses that are some of the crown jewels of the photographic world, I believe Ricoh can, too. If they don't want to, that is up to them. But I don't think any of us has any reason to think they are not capable.
Aaah.. no, I don't think so (but that's just me)
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My experience in working in R&D is that good management yeald to better results than spending tons of money. Engineers are not traders, they need to be motivated and are generally impassioned people.
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Aaah.. no, I don't think so (but that's just me)
you don't think what? the fact is that the sigma art lenses are getting rave reviews, and the 18-35 is one of the landmark lenses of the past decade. it has won awards. can you name the last time Pentax released a lens as highly regarded as the sigma art 50 or the 18-35? I certainly cannot. I'm pretty sure it wasnt the Limited zoom.
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