Just Released the 16-85mm

gazonk · 10-31-2014, 02:16 PM

Nikon: 17 elements in 11 groups
Canon: 17 elements in 12 groups
Pentax: 16 elements in 12 groups

So no two of them have the exact same construction.

**jatrax** · 10-31-2014, 03:02 PM

Originally posted by gazonk

So no two of them have the exact same construction.

But all have the focus ring close to camera and zoom close to front of lens. This configuration seems strange to me, I am used to Pentax lenses only so maybe this is more common but I have only seen it on the Pentax 18-135 before this. Do other companies make lenses with this configuration or is this new?

robjmitchell · 10-31-2014, 04:25 PM

Originally posted by gazonk

Nikon: 17 elements in 11 groups
Canon: 17 elements in 12 groups
Pentax: 16 elements in 12 groups

So no two of them have the exact same construction.

One's not even the same focal length

I'm sure someone will chime in and say tamron made them all!

EvanYGL · 10-31-2014, 10:50 PM

It seems Sigma is outperforming Pentax Zoom lenses by quite a big margin. Apart from the WR, I am not exactly pleased at all by the slow-ish aperture this new zoom carries. It's also kinda redundant since you already have the robust 18-135 WR out in the market. If they only made it just a stop or half a stop faster like say f/2.8 in the wide end, and f/4 at the long end, this might just be a killer lens to put in one's arsenal.

jcagara08 · 11-01-2014, 12:42 AM

this lens is faster than the 18-135mm WR lens?
And correct my noobness that Pentax is suppose to be using green colored rings around the lens instead of red? (Canon L lenses = red)
so now its silver, green, red and gold for the top end lenses am I right?

rrstuff · 11-01-2014, 12:48 AM

Originally posted by EvanYGL

It seems Sigma is outperforming Pentax Zoom lenses by quite a big margin. Apart from the WR, I am not exactly pleased at all by the slow-ish aperture this new zoom carries. It's also kinda redundant since you already have the robust 18-135 WR out in the market. If they only made it just a stop or half a stop faster like say f/2.8 in the wide end, and f/4 at the long end, this might just be a killer lens to put in one's arsenal.

This is a very popular focal length. Every manufacturer has one. Olympus has the highly coveted 12-60mm that I always wished existed for Pentax. 18-135 is great, but I would really like it to have a better quality on the edge of the frame. Regarding the wide end - 18mm vs 16mm makes a big difference for me. The former is almost wide enough, while the latter is just wide enough. I own a 16-45mm and use it a lot, but I wish it was a bit longer... here comes the 16-85. I would really like to get one, actually.

thibs · 11-01-2014, 12:49 AM

Originally posted by jcagara08

this lens is faster than the 18-135mm WR lens?
And correct my noobness that Pentax is suppose to be using green colored rings around the lens instead of red? (Canon L lenses = red)
so now its silver, green, red and gold for the top end lenses am I right?

Red is for HD coating.
Green for SMC
Gold for top lenses

Silver? I dunno no silver.

rawr · 11-01-2014, 01:08 AM

Originally posted by thibs

Silver? I dunno no silver.

Pentax DA 10-17mm f/3.5-4.5 ED[IF] Fisheye, for one.
Plus
DA L 18-55mm F3.5-5.6 AL WR,
DA L 18-55mm F3.5-5.6 AL,
DA L 50-200mm F4-5.6 ED WR,
DA L 50-200mm F4-5.6 ED, and
DA L 55-300mm F4-5.8 ED.

rrstuff · 11-01-2014, 01:24 AM

Originally posted by thibs

Red is for HD coating.
Green for SMC
Gold for top lenses

Silver? I dunno no silver.

DA-L are silver, although it's more like grey.

EMF · 11-01-2014, 01:46 AM

Which are the other two releases? 150-600??

Mistral75 · 11-01-2014, 02:36 AM

Originally posted by EMF

Which are the other two releases? 150-600??

70ish-200ish f/2.8 and 100ish-400ish with variable aperture. Both DFAs.

rrstuff · 11-01-2014, 02:42 AM

Originally posted by Mistral75

70ish-200ish f/2.8 and 100ish-400ish with variable aperture. Both DFAs.

Is the 100-400 some kind of new design? Maybe it's 80-400 from tokina?

macTak · 11-01-2014, 02:45 AM

Originally posted by thibs

Red is for HD coating.
Green for SMC
Gold for top lenses

Silver? I dunno no silver.

Silver is on the 645 lenses.

LensBeginner · 11-01-2014, 03:27 AM

Originally posted by jcagara08

this lens is faster than the 18-135mm WR lens?
And correct my noobness that Pentax is suppose to be using green colored rings around the lens instead of red? (Canon L lenses = red)
so now its silver, green, red and gold for the top end lenses am I right?

Well, the 18-135 reaches f/5.6 pretty fast, around 70-78mm...
It remains to se what the aperture steps are on this one...

thibs · 11-01-2014, 06:05 AM

Originally posted by LensBeginner

Well, the 18-135 reaches f/5.6 pretty fast, around 70-78mm...
It remains to se what the aperture steps are on this one...

Ah, right. I missed that DA-L/645 colour.

Thank ya.

11-01-2014, 01:08 AM	#83
rawr Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,913	Originally posted by thibs Silver? I dunno no silver. Pentax DA 10-17mm f/3.5-4.5 ED[IF] Fisheye, for one. Plus DA L 18-55mm F3.5-5.6 AL WR, DA L 18-55mm F3.5-5.6 AL, DA L 50-200mm F4-5.6 ED WR, DA L 50-200mm F4-5.6 ED, and DA L 55-300mm F4-5.8 ED. Last edited by rawr; 11-01-2014 at 01:14 AM.

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10-31-2014, 02:16 PM	#76
gazonk Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Oslo area, Norway Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,746	Nikon: 17 elements in 11 groups Canon: 17 elements in 12 groups Pentax: 16 elements in 12 groups So no two of them have the exact same construction.

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jatrax Site Supporter Join Date: May 2010 Location: Washington Cascades Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 12,991	Originally posted by gazonk So no two of them have the exact same construction. But all have the focus ring close to camera and zoom close to front of lens. This configuration seems strange to me, I am used to Pentax lenses only so maybe this is more common but I have only seen it on the Pentax 18-135 before this. Do other companies make lenses with this configuration or is this new?

10-31-2014, 04:25 PM	#78
robjmitchell Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Melbourne Aus Posts: 1,776	Originally posted by gazonk Nikon: 17 elements in 11 groups Canon: 17 elements in 12 groups Pentax: 16 elements in 12 groups So no two of them have the exact same construction. One's not even the same focal length I'm sure someone will chime in and say tamron made them all!

10-31-2014, 10:50 PM	#79
EvanYGL New Member Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 3	It seems Sigma is outperforming Pentax Zoom lenses by quite a big margin. Apart from the WR, I am not exactly pleased at all by the slow-ish aperture this new zoom carries. It's also kinda redundant since you already have the robust 18-135 WR out in the market. If they only made it just a stop or half a stop faster like say f/2.8 in the wide end, and f/4 at the long end, this might just be a killer lens to put in one's arsenal.

11-01-2014, 12:42 AM	#80
jcagara08 Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Abu Dhabi Posts: 87	this lens is faster than the 18-135mm WR lens? And correct my noobness that Pentax is suppose to be using green colored rings around the lens instead of red? (Canon L lenses = red) so now its silver, green, red and gold for the top end lenses am I right?

11-01-2014, 12:48 AM	#81
rrstuff Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Pasadena, CA Photos: Albums Posts: 1,126	Originally posted by EvanYGL It seems Sigma is outperforming Pentax Zoom lenses by quite a big margin. Apart from the WR, I am not exactly pleased at all by the slow-ish aperture this new zoom carries. It's also kinda redundant since you already have the robust 18-135 WR out in the market. If they only made it just a stop or half a stop faster like say f/2.8 in the wide end, and f/4 at the long end, this might just be a killer lens to put in one's arsenal. This is a very popular focal length. Every manufacturer has one. Olympus has the highly coveted 12-60mm that I always wished existed for Pentax. 18-135 is great, but I would really like it to have a better quality on the edge of the frame. Regarding the wide end - 18mm vs 16mm makes a big difference for me. The former is almost wide enough, while the latter is just wide enough. I own a 16-45mm and use it a lot, but I wish it was a bit longer... here comes the 16-85. I would really like to get one, actually.

11-01-2014, 12:49 AM	#82
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Originally posted by jcagara08 this lens is faster than the 18-135mm WR lens? And correct my noobness that Pentax is suppose to be using green colored rings around the lens instead of red? (Canon L lenses = red) so now its silver, green, red and gold for the top end lenses am I right? Red is for HD coating. Green for SMC Gold for top lenses Silver? I dunno no silver.

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rrstuff Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Pasadena, CA Photos: Albums Posts: 1,126	Originally posted by thibs Red is for HD coating. Green for SMC Gold for top lenses Silver? I dunno no silver. DA-L are silver, although it's more like grey.

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EMF New Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Posts: 6	Which are the other two releases? 150-600??

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Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,526	Originally posted by EMF Which are the other two releases? 150-600?? 70ish-200ish f/2.8 and 100ish-400ish with variable aperture. Both DFAs.

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11-01-2014, 02:42 AM	#87
rrstuff Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Pasadena, CA Photos: Albums Posts: 1,126	Originally posted by Mistral75 70ish-200ish f/2.8 and 100ish-400ish with variable aperture. Both DFAs. Is the 100-400 some kind of new design? Maybe it's 80-400 from tokina?

11-01-2014, 02:45 AM	#88
macTak Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Photos: Gallery Posts: 759	Originally posted by thibs Red is for HD coating. Green for SMC Gold for top lenses Silver? I dunno no silver. Silver is on the 645 lenses.

11-01-2014, 03:27 AM	#89
LensBeginner Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Photos: Albums Posts: 4,696	Originally posted by jcagara08 this lens is faster than the 18-135mm WR lens? And correct my noobness that Pentax is suppose to be using green colored rings around the lens instead of red? (Canon L lenses = red) so now its silver, green, red and gold for the top end lenses am I right? Well, the 18-135 reaches f/5.6 pretty fast, around 70-78mm... It remains to se what the aperture steps are on this one...

11-01-2014, 06:05 AM	#90
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Originally posted by LensBeginner Well, the 18-135 reaches f/5.6 pretty fast, around 70-78mm... It remains to se what the aperture steps are on this one... Ah, right. I missed that DA-L/645 colour. Thank ya.