Just Released the 16-85mm

thibs · 11-02-2014, 05:34 AM

Well, my 16-45 is IMO decentered. I certainly don't like its rendering anymore.
I'm not sure it's worth to repair considering the price it can be sold at.

Although, I'd lean to FF, that lens may be a worthwhile replacement.
My problem is, the wife as a K100D (non super) and can't use SDM/DC lenses.
Otherwise, it'd be a no brainer, if I go FF, she takes that lens and that's it; but she can't use (no she won't focus manually) neither the 17-70 or the 16-85.
Maybe I'll get the Tammy /2.8.

starbase218 · 11-02-2014, 06:03 AM

Originally posted by Kunzite

They definitely have SMC coatings, both the smc PENTAX-DA35mmF2.4AL and the smc PENTAX-DA50mmF1.8.

All green-ring lenses have SMC coatings (AFAIK), but not all SMC lenses have green rings.

Indeed. The green ring does not indicate a coating type, but rather the fact that the lens is a DA lens ("made for digital"). Silver ring means "digitally-optimized, but compatible with film". Red means HD coating and is probably a marketing move since Canon's L series lenses have red rings too.

So the ring "normally" indicates the DA/DFA-ness of the lens. Unless the lens has HD coating, in which case the ring indicates that fact.

**RuiC** · 11-02-2014, 06:11 AM

Originally posted by thibs

Well, my 16-45 is IMO decentered. I certainly don't like its rendering anymore.
I'm not sure it's worth to repair considering the price it can be sold at.

Although, I'd lean to FF, that lens may be a worthwhile replacement.
My problem is, the wife as a K100D (non super) and can't use SDM/DC lenses.
Otherwise, it'd be a no brainer, if I go FF, she takes that lens and that's it; but she can't use (no she won't focus manually) neither the 17-70 or the 16-85.
Maybe I'll get the Tammy /2.8.

At first I thought my 16-45 was decentered too, but I noticed that when extended for wider angle the barrel plays a bit and I usually held the lens by the barrel. Now I hold it near the mount and that avoids that play which provoked decentering.

thibs · 11-02-2014, 06:33 AM

Originally posted by RuiC

At first I thought my 16-45 was decentered too, but I noticed that when extended for wider angle the barrel plays a bit and I usually held the lens by the barrel. Now I hold it near the mount and that avoids that play which provoked decentering.

I'll try that, thank you Rui
(/off: hope everything's fine for you)

**RuiC** · 11-02-2014, 07:28 AM

Originally posted by thibs

I'll try that, thank you Rui
(/off: hope everything's fine for you)

All OK! Thanks

LensBeginner · 11-02-2014, 08:27 AM

Originally posted by RuiC

At first I thought my 16-45 was decentered too, but I noticed that when extended for wider angle the barrel plays a bit and I usually held the lens by the barrel. Now I hold it near the mount and that avoids that play which provoked decentering.

Well, that's not reassuring at all... :-S

aleonx3 · 11-02-2014, 08:33 AM

Originally posted by RuiC

At first I thought my 16-45 was decentered too, but I noticed that when extended for wider angle the barrel plays a bit and I usually held the lens by the barrel. Now I hold it near the mount and that avoids that play which provoked decentering.

I have never seen people holding the extended part of the lens before... how do you do that? Do you zoom the lens out and then re-position your left hand to the front part of the lens to steady the shot?

---------- Post added 11-02-2014 at 10:41 AM ----------

Originally posted by Sam N.

Good question. Is anyone out there thinking to get the 16-85mm. I am thinking to get it, I presently use 16-50mm DA* lens as all purpose

I am wondering if the new 16-85 lens would be an upgrade kit lens bundle in the future (much like the 18-135). Hopefully someone will buy the bundle with camera and sell the lens separately, I am thinking.....

---------- Post added 11-02-2014 at 10:47 AM ----------

Originally posted by LensBeginner

Well, the 18-135 reaches f/5.6 pretty fast, around 70-78mm...
It remains to se what the aperture steps are on this one...

On the 18-135, from 69-135mm it is f5.6. I hope it stays at f4.5 further out before it reaches f5.6 like 75-85.

thibs · 11-02-2014, 09:44 AM

Originally posted by LensBeginner

Well, that's not reassuring at all... :-S

Nope indeed but the 16-45 is very well known for that barrel play.

rawr · 11-02-2014, 12:19 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by RuiC

Now I hold it near the mount and that avoids that play which provoked decentering.

The DAL 55-300 has a similar issue. Rest the lens near the tip of the extended barrel while shooting = softer shots.

**Nakedgun** · 11-02-2014, 12:45 PM

Originally posted by Sam N.

Good question. Is anyone out there thinking to get the 16-85mm. I am thinking to get it, I presently use 16-50mm DA* lens as all purpose

Although I will wait until the jury decides IQ (and the price drops a bit), I am planning to pair this with my DA55-300 as a two-lens travel kit for the K5.

I have the DA18-135 now, and not sure now what role it will then play, if any.

**RuiC** · 11-02-2014, 01:27 PM

Originally posted by LensBeginner

Well, that's not reassuring at all... :-S

Indeed! Only my 2 cents!

---------- Post added 02-11-14 at 13:30 ----------

Originally posted by aleonx3

I have never seen people holding the extended part of the lens before... how do you do that? Do you zoom the lens out and then re-position your left hand to the front part of the lens to steady the shot?

---------- Post added 11-02-2014 at 10:41 AM ----------

.

Well, you have to give me some allowance as I am not such a great shooter as you are !

gazonk · 11-03-2014, 01:57 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by RuiC

At first I thought my 16-45 was decentered too, but I noticed that when extended for wider angle the barrel plays a bit and I usually held the lens by the barrel. Now I hold it near the mount and that avoids that play which provoked decentering.

Mine is fine when used in landscape mode, but when I use it in the portrait direction I have to keep a finger on the wobbly barrel so it doesn't "fall down" in order to avoid decentered shots

robjmitchell · 11-03-2014, 05:39 AM

After reading the the sigma 18-35 review I cant wait for this lens to come out. I really would like something to complement the 50-135 on the wide end. The limited zoom is starting to look tempting for outside work.

Zygonyx · 11-03-2014, 12:06 PM

It is been available in K-mount since last June

macTak · 11-04-2014, 03:54 AM

Originally posted by gazonk

Mine is fine when used in landscape mode, but when I use it in the portrait direction I have to keep a finger on the wobbly barrel so it doesn't "fall down" in order to avoid decentered shots

I seem to recall that some people were even shimming it with paper to, like your finger, support the barrel.

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11-02-2014, 05:34 AM	#106
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Well, my 16-45 is IMO decentered. I certainly don't like its rendering anymore. I'm not sure it's worth to repair considering the price it can be sold at. Although, I'd lean to FF, that lens may be a worthwhile replacement. My problem is, the wife as a K100D (non super) and can't use SDM/DC lenses. Otherwise, it'd be a no brainer, if I go FF, she takes that lens and that's it; but she can't use (no she won't focus manually) neither the 17-70 or the 16-85. Maybe I'll get the Tammy /2.8.

11-02-2014, 06:03 AM	#107
starbase218 Inactive Account Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Planet Earth, Sol system, Milky Way galaxy, Universe Posts: 1,119	Originally posted by Kunzite They definitely have SMC coatings, both the smc PENTAX-DA35mmF2.4AL and the smc PENTAX-DA50mmF1.8. All green-ring lenses have SMC coatings (AFAIK), but not all SMC lenses have green rings. Indeed. The green ring does not indicate a coating type, but rather the fact that the lens is a DA lens ("made for digital"). Silver ring means "digitally-optimized, but compatible with film". Red means HD coating and is probably a marketing move since Canon's L series lenses have red rings too. So the ring "normally" indicates the DA/DFA-ness of the lens. Unless the lens has HD coating, in which case the ring indicates that fact.

11-02-2014, 06:11 AM	#108
RuiC Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Lisboa - The best destination in Europe Posts: 633	Originally posted by thibs Well, my 16-45 is IMO decentered. I certainly don't like its rendering anymore. I'm not sure it's worth to repair considering the price it can be sold at. Although, I'd lean to FF, that lens may be a worthwhile replacement. My problem is, the wife as a K100D (non super) and can't use SDM/DC lenses. Otherwise, it'd be a no brainer, if I go FF, she takes that lens and that's it; but she can't use (no she won't focus manually) neither the 17-70 or the 16-85. Maybe I'll get the Tammy /2.8. At first I thought my 16-45 was decentered too, but I noticed that when extended for wider angle the barrel plays a bit and I usually held the lens by the barrel. Now I hold it near the mount and that avoids that play which provoked decentering.

11-02-2014, 06:33 AM	#109
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Originally posted by RuiC At first I thought my 16-45 was decentered too, but I noticed that when extended for wider angle the barrel plays a bit and I usually held the lens by the barrel. Now I hold it near the mount and that avoids that play which provoked decentering. I'll try that, thank you Rui (/off: hope everything's fine for you)

11-02-2014, 07:28 AM	#110
RuiC Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Lisboa - The best destination in Europe Posts: 633	Originally posted by thibs I'll try that, thank you Rui (/off: hope everything's fine for you) All OK! Thanks

11-02-2014, 08:27 AM	#111
LensBeginner Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Photos: Albums Posts: 4,696	Originally posted by RuiC At first I thought my 16-45 was decentered too, but I noticed that when extended for wider angle the barrel plays a bit and I usually held the lens by the barrel. Now I hold it near the mount and that avoids that play which provoked decentering. Well, that's not reassuring at all... :-S

11-02-2014, 08:33 AM	#112
aleonx3 Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Brampton, Ontario Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,996	Originally posted by RuiC At first I thought my 16-45 was decentered too, but I noticed that when extended for wider angle the barrel plays a bit and I usually held the lens by the barrel. Now I hold it near the mount and that avoids that play which provoked decentering. I have never seen people holding the extended part of the lens before... how do you do that? Do you zoom the lens out and then re-position your left hand to the front part of the lens to steady the shot? ---------- Post added 11-02-2014 at 10:41 AM ---------- Originally posted by Sam N. Good question. Is anyone out there thinking to get the 16-85mm. I am thinking to get it, I presently use 16-50mm DA* lens as all purpose I am wondering if the new 16-85 lens would be an upgrade kit lens bundle in the future (much like the 18-135). Hopefully someone will buy the bundle with camera and sell the lens separately, I am thinking..... ---------- Post added 11-02-2014 at 10:47 AM ---------- Originally posted by LensBeginner Well, the 18-135 reaches f/5.6 pretty fast, around 70-78mm... It remains to se what the aperture steps are on this one... On the 18-135, from 69-135mm it is f5.6. I hope it stays at f4.5 further out before it reaches f5.6 like 75-85.

11-02-2014, 09:44 AM	#113
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Originally posted by LensBeginner Well, that's not reassuring at all... :-S Nope indeed but the 16-45 is very well known for that barrel play.

11-02-2014, 12:19 PM - 1 Like	#114
rawr Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,913	Originally posted by RuiC Now I hold it near the mount and that avoids that play which provoked decentering. The DAL 55-300 has a similar issue. Rest the lens near the tip of the extended barrel while shooting = softer shots.

11-02-2014, 12:45 PM	#115
Nakedgun Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Southwest Posts: 1,365	Originally posted by Sam N. Good question. Is anyone out there thinking to get the 16-85mm. I am thinking to get it, I presently use 16-50mm DA* lens as all purpose Although I will wait until the jury decides IQ (and the price drops a bit), I am planning to pair this with my DA55-300 as a two-lens travel kit for the K5. I have the DA18-135 now, and not sure now what role it will then play, if any.

11-02-2014, 01:27 PM	#116
RuiC Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Lisboa - The best destination in Europe Posts: 633	Originally posted by LensBeginner Well, that's not reassuring at all... :-S Indeed! Only my 2 cents! ---------- Post added 02-11-14 at 13:30 ---------- Originally posted by aleonx3 I have never seen people holding the extended part of the lens before... how do you do that? Do you zoom the lens out and then re-position your left hand to the front part of the lens to steady the shot? ---------- Post added 11-02-2014 at 10:41 AM ---------- . Well, you have to give me some allowance as I am not such a great shooter as you are !

11-03-2014, 01:57 AM - 1 Like	#117
gazonk Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Oslo area, Norway Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,746	Originally posted by RuiC At first I thought my 16-45 was decentered too, but I noticed that when extended for wider angle the barrel plays a bit and I usually held the lens by the barrel. Now I hold it near the mount and that avoids that play which provoked decentering. Mine is fine when used in landscape mode, but when I use it in the portrait direction I have to keep a finger on the wobbly barrel so it doesn't "fall down" in order to avoid decentered shots

11-03-2014, 05:39 AM	#118
robjmitchell Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Melbourne Aus Posts: 1,776	After reading the the sigma 18-35 review I cant wait for this lens to come out. I really would like something to complement the 50-135 on the wide end. The limited zoom is starting to look tempting for outside work.

11-03-2014, 12:06 PM	#119
Zygonyx Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Ile de France Posts: 4,033	It is been available in K-mount since last June

11-04-2014, 03:54 AM	#120
macTak Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Photos: Gallery Posts: 759	Originally posted by gazonk Mine is fine when used in landscape mode, but when I use it in the portrait direction I have to keep a finger on the wobbly barrel so it doesn't "fall down" in order to avoid decentered shots I seem to recall that some people were even shimming it with paper to, like your finger, support the barrel.