Rumours when the new zooms come??

**loveisageless** · 11-04-2014, 09:59 PM

Originally posted by Shanti

So December may see the 135-400...so I can tell the birds they better wait with their migration

, I mean how long to laser print some words & numbers on the lens!! this one should give 840 effective FL with the 1.4TC, which is close to the 150-600 Sigma/Tamron,& I assume it will be RAZOR sharp at 400

& maybe be a competitor to the Nikon 80-400 G model (hope not in price!)
as far as FF,pentax had better come with a 36MP beast, or Sony/Canon with the rumoured 50MP Foveon sensor will Eat it alive..oh but then it will take away from Pentax MF sales..so I guess will see a 26MP to compete with Samsung...Or ???

It would need to be at least 36MP if they include a crop mode, so that photos taken with DX lenses have decent resolution. It would help those making the transition from DX to FX, to not have to replace their DX lenses all at once. It would also give shooters who need the reach of a telephoto lens an interim option while they save up for a FF telephoto lens :-)

robjmitchell · 11-04-2014, 10:25 PM

Originally posted by Uluru

Ah, they have that. But they cannot decide upon which silly colour scheme to dress up the FF: "Sweets" or "Krauts".
We all know Ricoh — they have one just card up in their sleeves, and they play it over, and over, and over again.

Which is why there photo copiers are so good!

tvdtvdtvd · 11-04-2014, 10:44 PM

Originally posted by Mistral75

Huh?

http://news.ricoh-imaging.co.jp/rim_info/1_da1685_photokina2014.jpg

Confused am I, yes, apparently.

Obviously I confused the 16-85 with the
two anonymous barrels presented at Photokina. Afterall, that was MONTHS ago.

Of course this means the other two lenses will be many, many, many months away
from being considered to be released. They were, afterall, just barrels with no
markings. Obviously Pentax has no idea what focal length they are as yet, which
means they can't even begin to decide how many blades to use or whether they'll
need a hood....

**beachgardener** · 11-04-2014, 10:51 PM

3 lenses, the 16-85 and two not yet revealed

Kunzite · 11-05-2014, 01:35 AM

Originally posted by tvdtvdtvd

Of course this means the other two lenses will be many, many, many months away
from being considered to be released. They were, afterall, just barrels with no
markings. Obviously Pentax has no idea what focal length they are as yet, which
means they can't even begin to decide how many blades to use or whether they'll
need a hood....

I hope you are joking...

gor80 · 11-05-2014, 06:54 AM

award consists of many factors ...
When released Fujifilm X I really wanted to buy it. read a lot of forums - praised her.
Then I thought - it's not only the camera deserves attention, but the lenses.
Lenses were only 3 options and they cost expensive, so I decided - that it would be a bad waste of money.
Because no matter how good was the camera without lens - it loses much.
So all is not gold that glitters

but the inscription on the box that the camera nomimant - very pleasantly pleasing to the eye

thibs · 11-05-2014, 01:25 PM

Originally posted by Kunzite

I hope you are joking...

I'd guess, he's not joking at all.

Kunzite · 11-05-2014, 02:17 PM

So he really believes that Ricoh/Pentax worked on the barrels (having finished prototypes) before knowing even the focal length? Oh, boy...

IchabodCrane · 11-05-2014, 03:15 PM

Originally posted by Kunzite

So he really believes that Ricoh/Pentax worked on the barrels (having finished prototypes) before knowing even the focal length? Oh, boy...

I'm sure Ricoh knows the focal length but do we know the focal length?

Kunzite · 11-05-2014, 03:55 PM

More or less, from the public roadmap and possibly other sources.

**woodywesty** · 11-05-2014, 07:33 PM

Originally posted by IchabodCrane

I'm sure Ricoh knows the focal length but do we know the focal length?

I'm sure that Ricoh knows exactly what the two lenses are going to be. However, sadly, we actually don't "know" anything for certain. We can only make our best guesses and hope... I'm sure that I'll probably want one of those lenses as long as its at least 400mm... I also "believe" that each of the lenses will be well thought out and nicely produced for a segment of the Pentax community that they believe can make them money. And I'm also learning as a Pentax owner how to be patient...which is easier when you have to save for each new lens.

JohnnyBravo · 11-06-2014, 03:48 AM

Originally posted by robjmitchell

The two lenses we're talking about may or may not be FF, but the will be equaly useful on our current cameras. If we start seeing a 24-70 then we will know FF is just around the corner. Not that this thread was ever about a FF camera

Maybe the new 20-40 is FF compatible?

aurele · 11-06-2014, 04:30 AM

Originally posted by JohnnyBravo

Maybe the new 20-40 is FF compatible?

nope ! There is heavy vigneting all the way, and very soft in the corner.

https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/122-lens-clubs/247859-da-limited-zoom-clu...ml#post2762148

Nicolas06 · 12-20-2014, 05:24 AM

That funny how wild it goes with mostly personnal opinion and wishes.

Looking at history with the anouncements we had for the lenses, it can go anywhere from now to 2-3 years time frame or never. This is what happened historically. You could get lenses that were even not shown in the plans at all too.

As for my personnal opinion, as we are still speaking of prototypes, Ricoh still need to finalize the design, perform tests... potentially adapt to new market trends then industrialize the thing and finally send it to distributors. Unlikely to be less than 6 months time frame from last photokina. But that's a minimum timeframe, not in any way something that is 100% sure to happen that soon.

FF is earlier in stage, no prototype shown... So it look like 1 year timeframe at best (meaning Q4 2015 at best).

Pentax can anounce some lenses in Feb, some new body too. Why not a new DSLR? But that doesn't mean it is the super tele or the Pentax FF. APSC cover enough sales to justify a K60 and K3-II somewhere in 2015 whatever the status on FF.

Nicolas06 · 12-20-2014, 05:31 AM

Originally posted by bossa

Does anyone seriously believe they don't have a working FF prototype right now? The basic fact of them putting K-3 tech in a MF body should tell you everything you need to know right?

Cad, 3D Printing, off the shelf parts etc etc...

Prototypes they have got some since their first try on an FF digital more than 10 years ago... As for putting K3 tech on MF body is not new, the previous MF made a few years agos used the technology of their APSC bodies at that time... And there still no FF available to buy from Pentax.

Making an FF body is very easy, they basically just need to take K3, replace the sensor, make the mirror box bigger and they are done. They did it for many film bodies so that's not like it is impossible to make.

But they also need a good lense offering to go with it (3-5 zooms, a few refreshed primes) and be reasonably sure all of this would sell well.

This is more difficult in particular in a shrinking market overall.

11-04-2014, 10:44 PM	#48
tvdtvdtvd Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,665	Originally posted by Mistral75 Huh? http://news.ricoh-imaging.co.jp/rim_info/1_da1685_photokina2014.jpg Confused am I, yes, apparently. Obviously I confused the 16-85 with the two anonymous barrels presented at Photokina. Afterall, that was MONTHS ago. Of course this means the other two lenses will be many, many, many months away from being considered to be released. They were, afterall, just barrels with no markings. Obviously Pentax has no idea what focal length they are as yet, which means they can't even begin to decide how many blades to use or whether they'll need a hood.... Last edited by tvdtvdtvd; 11-04-2014 at 10:50 PM.

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11-04-2014, 09:59 PM	#46
loveisageless Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Oakland, California Photos: Albums Posts: 1,250	Originally posted by Shanti So December may see the 135-400...so I can tell the birds they better wait with their migration , I mean how long to laser print some words & numbers on the lens!! this one should give 840 effective FL with the 1.4TC, which is close to the 150-600 Sigma/Tamron,& I assume it will be RAZOR sharp at 400 & maybe be a competitor to the Nikon 80-400 G model (hope not in price!) as far as FF,pentax had better come with a 36MP beast, or Sony/Canon with the rumoured 50MP Foveon sensor will Eat it alive..oh but then it will take away from Pentax MF sales..so I guess will see a 26MP to compete with Samsung...Or ??? It would need to be at least 36MP if they include a crop mode, so that photos taken with DX lenses have decent resolution. It would help those making the transition from DX to FX, to not have to replace their DX lenses all at once. It would also give shooters who need the reach of a telephoto lens an interim option while they save up for a FF telephoto lens :-)

11-04-2014, 10:25 PM	#47
robjmitchell Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Melbourne Aus Posts: 1,776	Originally posted by Uluru Ah, they have that. But they cannot decide upon which silly colour scheme to dress up the FF: "Sweets" or "Krauts". We all know Ricoh — they have one just card up in their sleeves, and they play it over, and over, and over again. Which is why there photo copiers are so good!

11-04-2014, 10:51 PM	#49
beachgardener Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,842	3 lenses, the 16-85 and two not yet revealed

11-05-2014, 01:35 AM	#50
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Originally posted by tvdtvdtvd Of course this means the other two lenses will be many, many, many months away from being considered to be released. They were, afterall, just barrels with no markings. Obviously Pentax has no idea what focal length they are as yet, which means they can't even begin to decide how many blades to use or whether they'll need a hood.... I hope you are joking...

11-05-2014, 06:54 AM	#51
gor80 Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Балашиха Photos: Albums Posts: 595	award consists of many factors ... When released Fujifilm X I really wanted to buy it. read a lot of forums - praised her. Then I thought - it's not only the camera deserves attention, but the lenses. Lenses were only 3 options and they cost expensive, so I decided - that it would be a bad waste of money. Because no matter how good was the camera without lens - it loses much. So all is not gold that glitters but the inscription on the box that the camera nomimant - very pleasantly pleasing to the eye

11-05-2014, 01:25 PM	#52
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Originally posted by Kunzite I hope you are joking... I'd guess, he's not joking at all.

11-05-2014, 02:17 PM	#53
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	So he really believes that Ricoh/Pentax worked on the barrels (having finished prototypes) before knowing even the focal length? Oh, boy...

11-05-2014, 03:15 PM	#54
IchabodCrane Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,728	Originally posted by Kunzite So he really believes that Ricoh/Pentax worked on the barrels (having finished prototypes) before knowing even the focal length? Oh, boy... I'm sure Ricoh knows the focal length but do we know the focal length?

11-05-2014, 03:55 PM	#55
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	More or less, from the public roadmap and possibly other sources.

11-05-2014, 07:33 PM	#56
woodywesty Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Northern Wisconsin Posts: 725	Originally posted by IchabodCrane I'm sure Ricoh knows the focal length but do we know the focal length? I'm sure that Ricoh knows exactly what the two lenses are going to be. However, sadly, we actually don't "know" anything for certain. We can only make our best guesses and hope... I'm sure that I'll probably want one of those lenses as long as its at least 400mm... I also "believe" that each of the lenses will be well thought out and nicely produced for a segment of the Pentax community that they believe can make them money. And I'm also learning as a Pentax owner how to be patient...which is easier when you have to save for each new lens.

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11-06-2014, 03:48 AM	#57
JohnnyBravo New Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Photos: Gallery Posts: 5	Originally posted by robjmitchell The two lenses we're talking about may or may not be FF, but the will be equaly useful on our current cameras. If we start seeing a 24-70 then we will know FF is just around the corner. Not that this thread was ever about a FF camera Maybe the new 20-40 is FF compatible?

11-06-2014, 04:30 AM	#58
aurele Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Paris, France Photos: Albums Posts: 3,217	Originally posted by JohnnyBravo Maybe the new 20-40 is FF compatible? nope ! There is heavy vigneting all the way, and very soft in the corner. https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/122-lens-clubs/247859-da-limited-zoom-clu...ml#post2762148

12-20-2014, 05:24 AM	#59
Nicolas06 Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 4,854	That funny how wild it goes with mostly personnal opinion and wishes. Looking at history with the anouncements we had for the lenses, it can go anywhere from now to 2-3 years time frame or never. This is what happened historically. You could get lenses that were even not shown in the plans at all too. As for my personnal opinion, as we are still speaking of prototypes, Ricoh still need to finalize the design, perform tests... potentially adapt to new market trends then industrialize the thing and finally send it to distributors. Unlikely to be less than 6 months time frame from last photokina. But that's a minimum timeframe, not in any way something that is 100% sure to happen that soon. FF is earlier in stage, no prototype shown... So it look like 1 year timeframe at best (meaning Q4 2015 at best). Pentax can anounce some lenses in Feb, some new body too. Why not a new DSLR? But that doesn't mean it is the super tele or the Pentax FF. APSC cover enough sales to justify a K60 and K3-II somewhere in 2015 whatever the status on FF.

12-20-2014, 05:31 AM	#60
Nicolas06 Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 4,854	Originally posted by bossa Does anyone seriously believe they don't have a working FF prototype right now? The basic fact of them putting K-3 tech in a MF body should tell you everything you need to know right? Cad, 3D Printing, off the shelf parts etc etc... Prototypes they have got some since their first try on an FF digital more than 10 years ago... As for putting K3 tech on MF body is not new, the previous MF made a few years agos used the technology of their APSC bodies at that time... And there still no FF available to buy from Pentax. Making an FF body is very easy, they basically just need to take K3, replace the sensor, make the mirror box bigger and they are done. They did it for many film bodies so that's not like it is impossible to make. But they also need a good lense offering to go with it (3-5 zooms, a few refreshed primes) and be reasonably sure all of this would sell well. This is more difficult in particular in a shrinking market overall.