Rumours when the new zooms come??

Nicolas06 · 12-28-2014, 08:53 AM

Originally posted by derekkite

Down market will be characterized by filling the holes in their offerings. And implementing the technologies developed for their high end offerings.

Actually it the K-mount K3 that allowed the 645Z to shine... They share most of the hardware/electronics. it is likely next time to be the same again, in a few years the new processor/improvement made for the APSC (or FF) body will go into the MF body. They may even manage to make it a good camera for sports/action with incredible high isos and image quality. They already managed to make 645Z a good all purpose camera, a thing other MF manufacturers had issue to achieve.

This also mean there not really any protection to entry for Pentax except in the lense echosystem offering. Canikon could make a better MF body the day they would want it just by using all the technology they use for FF but on a bigger sensor.

**jatrax** · 12-28-2014, 10:20 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Na Horuk

knew Ricoh's plans for a whole year ahead, they could release competitive products to seal the market. Ricoh has to stay quiet, has to be a wildcard

They do not have to even release anything, just a rumor they are working on a similar product that will be out 'real soon now'. Called FUD, 'fear, uncertainty, doubt', market leaders often use this tactic against upstarts to prevent them from gaining any market share. A rumor that Sony or Nikon or Canon is close to release of a similar product as Ricoh tends to freeze potential buyers to see what the other brand is bringing out.

**RobA_Oz** · 01-02-2015, 12:14 AM

Originally posted by Kerrowdown

I guess I just wonder if it will be in my lifetime...

Not feeling unwell, are we?

**Kerrowdown** · 01-02-2015, 12:43 AM

Originally posted by RobA_Oz

Not feeling unwell, are we?

No, but at 56 I am getting on in years.

**RobA_Oz** · 01-02-2015, 05:39 AM

Originally posted by Kerrowdown

No, but at 56 I am getting on in years.

56? Youngster! I'm starting to avoid buying green bananas…

simon6z · 01-02-2015, 06:45 AM

if the new zooms can't hit the 600mm reach, well hope sigma release the 150-600mm for pentax though. Pentax lens are extinct and very hard to find but if found it is usually more expensive than other counterparts in singapore

totsmuyco · 01-02-2015, 07:49 AM

I inquired from Sigma about the 150-600 sport and they said they don't have it in Pentax mount and don't see it being made for Pentax in the near future. It's a pity, I think a lot of us here are interested with this lens.

simon6z · 01-02-2015, 10:45 AM

Not even contemporary???? Guess I be finding option then

**RobA_Oz** · 01-02-2015, 12:35 PM

According to Sigma "sources" quoted here several times, the 8-16 was not going to be produced in K-mount any more, either. Somehow, new lens batches have regularly turned up in the twelve months since. If there is enough demand, they will make it in K-mount.

simon6z · 01-02-2015, 07:22 PM

I was quite happy at first when they announce that mounts can be changed a year ago but then a sigma 35mm ART can change mount from others to Kmount? Yet the 150-600 cannot change to Kmount left me very curious are they contradicting or trying to be funny

**jatrax** · 01-02-2015, 09:26 PM

Originally posted by simon6z

I was quite happy at first when they announce that mounts can be changed a year ago but then a sigma 35mm ART can change mount from others to Kmount? Yet the 150-600 cannot change to Kmount left me very curious are they contradicting or trying to be funny

You can only change to a mount that they already make. So if the lens is not available in k-mount then you cannot change. While the mount change program sounds really good I do not think it is all that useful. The cost is fairly high from what I saw and might be no different than selling your older lens and buying a new one in the new mount. And if you can get used in your new mount then the difference is even smaller. I just do not see many people using the program.

Originally posted by simon6z

Not even contemporary???? Guess I be finding option then

Curious what options you will be looking at, not sure there are many in k-mount.

Quote:

I inquired from Sigma about the 150-600 sport and they said they don't have it in Pentax mount and don't see it being made for Pentax in the near future. It's a pity, I think a lot of us here are interested with this lens.

I think Sigma's "not available in k-mount" really means "not available in k-mount unless we have excess capacity and think we can make money on producing a small run for a small off brand" Other lenses have eventually come out in k-mount and if Pentax gains any market share then new ones will as well. But it might be years after introduction in Canikon.

lesmore49 · 01-02-2015, 10:14 PM

Originally posted by simon6z

I was quite happy at first when they announce that mounts can be changed a year ago but then a sigma 35mm ART can change mount from others to Kmount? Yet the 150-600 cannot change to Kmount left me very curious are they contradicting or trying to be funny

I've got a Sigma 150-500 in K mount. I'm pleased with it's performance. Will an extra 100mm make a significant difference ?

**RobA_Oz** · 01-02-2015, 10:30 PM

Originally posted by lesmore49

I've got a Sigma 150-500 in K mount. I'm pleased with it's performance. Will an extra 100mm make a significant difference ?

Any way you look at it, a 600mm FL will give you 20% more magnification than a 500mm, but would you worry about the difference between a 50 and a 55mm lens, all other things being equal?

Poit · 01-02-2015, 10:49 PM

Originally posted by derekkite

Look on youtube for a project where someone did a short movie with the 645z. It wasn't speed or hardware power, it was bad codecs that made it disappointing. It is worth watching, I'm sure Ricoh has watched it. Then they told their engineers to fix it. That free firmware upgrade will if successful open a new market to the existing body. People who own it already will get it for nothing; but those who couldn't use it right now because it isn't adequate could, and will possibly buy one.

3. Yes indeed. Right now for me, what I shoot, how I shoot, I'll list the alternatives and rough price. I use the resolution of the K3 for cropping, so a less dense sensor would be a downgrade. If I want a stop improvement in noise I would have to go to something like the D810 or equivalent. Not counting lenses, that is close to $3k. In lenses, I shoot a 500 f4.5 I could get half a stop and go 500 f4, taking the better part of $10k. I probably could get an effective stop of better noise with software technique for substantially less. Mastering wildlife flash technique is less money as well with more potential gain.

I may very well pass on the next iteration of the aps-c, and look carefully at what FF offering shows up. I am not alone.

The possibility of a new market segment, medium format video, will drive Pentax until they satisfy the needs of that market. The unique spot they have in the market with an affordable medium format stills body will also drive them. There is a potential that increased volumes will start showing up in lower prices due to production efficiencies. Their 645 lenses are extremely expensive probably due to the very small production runs. They could start squeezing into the high end of the 35mm market. They have a window of time where they could have the revenues to build out a service offering as well.

Down market will be characterized by filling the holes in their offerings. And implementing the technologies developed for their high end offerings.

Ahasiman says a firmware update for the 645 and K in the spring. That makes perfect sense to me. Make a very nice box, then do what is needed to sell more of them.

I saw the video on youtube as well (posted below), and had exactly the same thoughts as you. Pentax have a unique opportunity with the 645z: to beat the big two at the top end.

I hate to say it, but if I was advising Pentax on short-term strategy I'd be saying "get some leaf-shutter lenses and improve video for the 645z....forget the FF for now....and seize this all-too-brief opportunity you have with the 645 to be the go to top-end camera". Apparently leaf-shutter lenses are in the works right now, so they aren't standing still. Firmware updates to significantly improve video would be a great and obvious next step to make more people (with the money) sit up and take notice.

Unfortunately for us FF hopefuls, I'm not sure Pentax has the resources to further develop the 645z, and develop a new FF offering simultaneously. I really hope I'm wrong, but this time I could understand if FF gets delayed at the expense of capitalising on the opprtunity the 645z represents.

The youtube video you referred to:

You Tube

totsmuyco · 01-03-2015, 12:43 AM

Originally posted by lesmore49

I've got a Sigma 150-500 in K mount. I'm pleased with it's performance. Will an extra 100mm make a significant difference ?

Well yes, 20% more magnification, faster focusing and weather sealing. It'll probably make you feel you're using a Pentax. Just probably.

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12-28-2014, 08:53 AM	#76
Nicolas06 Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 4,854	Originally posted by derekkite Down market will be characterized by filling the holes in their offerings. And implementing the technologies developed for their high end offerings. Actually it the K-mount K3 that allowed the 645Z to shine... They share most of the hardware/electronics. it is likely next time to be the same again, in a few years the new processor/improvement made for the APSC (or FF) body will go into the MF body. They may even manage to make it a good camera for sports/action with incredible high isos and image quality. They already managed to make 645Z a good all purpose camera, a thing other MF manufacturers had issue to achieve. This also mean there not really any protection to entry for Pentax except in the lense echosystem offering. Canikon could make a better MF body the day they would want it just by using all the technology they use for FF but on a bigger sensor.

12-28-2014, 10:20 AM - 1 Like	#77
jatrax Site Supporter Join Date: May 2010 Location: Washington Cascades Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 12,991	Originally posted by Na Horuk knew Ricoh's plans for a whole year ahead, they could release competitive products to seal the market. Ricoh has to stay quiet, has to be a wildcard They do not have to even release anything, just a rumor they are working on a similar product that will be out 'real soon now'. Called FUD, 'fear, uncertainty, doubt', market leaders often use this tactic against upstarts to prevent them from gaining any market share. A rumor that Sony or Nikon or Canon is close to release of a similar product as Ricoh tends to freeze potential buyers to see what the other brand is bringing out.

01-02-2015, 12:14 AM	#78
RobA_Oz Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Tasmania, Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,197	Originally posted by Kerrowdown I guess I just wonder if it will be in my lifetime... Not feeling unwell, are we?

01-02-2015, 12:43 AM	#79
Kerrowdown PEG Moderator Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Highlands of Scotland... "Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand" - William Blake Photos: Gallery Posts: 57,819	Originally posted by RobA_Oz Not feeling unwell, are we? No, but at 56 I am getting on in years.

01-02-2015, 05:39 AM	#80
RobA_Oz Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Tasmania, Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,197	Originally posted by Kerrowdown No, but at 56 I am getting on in years. 56? Youngster! I'm starting to avoid buying green bananas…

01-02-2015, 06:45 AM	#81
simon6z Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Posts: 84	if the new zooms can't hit the 600mm reach, well hope sigma release the 150-600mm for pentax though. Pentax lens are extinct and very hard to find but if found it is usually more expensive than other counterparts in singapore

01-02-2015, 07:49 AM	#82
totsmuyco Pentaxian Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Iloilo City Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,276	I inquired from Sigma about the 150-600 sport and they said they don't have it in Pentax mount and don't see it being made for Pentax in the near future. It's a pity, I think a lot of us here are interested with this lens.

01-02-2015, 10:45 AM	#83
simon6z Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Posts: 84	Not even contemporary???? Guess I be finding option then

01-02-2015, 12:35 PM	#84
RobA_Oz Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Tasmania, Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,197	According to Sigma "sources" quoted here several times, the 8-16 was not going to be produced in K-mount any more, either. Somehow, new lens batches have regularly turned up in the twelve months since. If there is enough demand, they will make it in K-mount.

01-02-2015, 07:22 PM	#85
simon6z Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Posts: 84	I was quite happy at first when they announce that mounts can be changed a year ago but then a sigma 35mm ART can change mount from others to Kmount? Yet the 150-600 cannot change to Kmount left me very curious are they contradicting or trying to be funny

01-02-2015, 09:26 PM	#86
jatrax Site Supporter Join Date: May 2010 Location: Washington Cascades Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 12,991	Originally posted by simon6z I was quite happy at first when they announce that mounts can be changed a year ago but then a sigma 35mm ART can change mount from others to Kmount? Yet the 150-600 cannot change to Kmount left me very curious are they contradicting or trying to be funny You can only change to a mount that they already make. So if the lens is not available in k-mount then you cannot change. While the mount change program sounds really good I do not think it is all that useful. The cost is fairly high from what I saw and might be no different than selling your older lens and buying a new one in the new mount. And if you can get used in your new mount then the difference is even smaller. I just do not see many people using the program. Originally posted by simon6z Not even contemporary???? Guess I be finding option then Curious what options you will be looking at, not sure there are many in k-mount. Quote: I inquired from Sigma about the 150-600 sport and they said they don't have it in Pentax mount and don't see it being made for Pentax in the near future. It's a pity, I think a lot of us here are interested with this lens. I think Sigma's "not available in k-mount" really means "not available in k-mount unless we have excess capacity and think we can make money on producing a small run for a small off brand" Other lenses have eventually come out in k-mount and if Pentax gains any market share then new ones will as well. But it might be years after introduction in Canikon.

01-02-2015, 10:14 PM	#87
lesmore49 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Western Canada Posts: 12,343	Originally posted by simon6z I was quite happy at first when they announce that mounts can be changed a year ago but then a sigma 35mm ART can change mount from others to Kmount? Yet the 150-600 cannot change to Kmount left me very curious are they contradicting or trying to be funny I've got a Sigma 150-500 in K mount. I'm pleased with it's performance. Will an extra 100mm make a significant difference ?

01-02-2015, 10:30 PM	#88
RobA_Oz Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Tasmania, Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,197	Originally posted by lesmore49 I've got a Sigma 150-500 in K mount. I'm pleased with it's performance. Will an extra 100mm make a significant difference ? Any way you look at it, a 600mm FL will give you 20% more magnification than a 500mm, but would you worry about the difference between a 50 and a 55mm lens, all other things being equal?

01-03-2015, 12:43 AM	#90
totsmuyco Pentaxian Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Iloilo City Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,276	Originally posted by lesmore49 I've got a Sigma 150-500 in K mount. I'm pleased with it's performance. Will an extra 100mm make a significant difference ? Well yes, 20% more magnification, faster focusing and weather sealing. It'll probably make you feel you're using a Pentax. Just probably.