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12-03-2014, 10:55 AM   #46
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But it has a touchscreen display dedicated to adjusting ISO!

(on a more serious note, cameras designed to be collected instead of used doesn't count. I doubt they even bothered to put a sensor inside... what for, it's not like it will have to take pictures?)

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But it has a touchscreen display dedicated to adjusting ISO!
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I said. I'm 56, but I don't like to live in the past. But everyone is free, no?

If you don't want displays, send the camera which has, to others. Make a donation, and keep only rangefinders and old film camera. You will be much appreciated.
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The Leica 60 cost almost 20,000. whoa.

Maybe, just maybe. Lol.

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Oh, sorry. I thought that this thread is about a new mirror, for some FUTURE Pentax cameras, not about how rich are some people (about I don't care, and probably must of us don't care), who can afford to throw this money for a rangefinder, or to compare it to a ''common people'' DSLR.


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QuoteOriginally posted by JimmyDranox Quote
Oh, sorry. I thought that this thread is about a new mirror, for some FUTURE Pentax cameras, not about how rich are some people (about I don't care, and probably must of us don't care), who can afford to throw this money for a rangefinder, or to compare it to a ''common people'' DSLR.

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Come on, you somehow accuse other s of being closed minded but your reaction in itself, is.
Of course a K-3 without screen would be stupid.
But a simple DSLR (film style) could perfectly work without. And yes it would be useable.
If it is not your thing, fine. Why should we care ?
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I'd say he recognized that Leica Collector Edition for what it is, instead of pretending Pentax could do the same (but at much lower prices); the insult is just in your imagination.

And what's the big deal with this "simple DSLR (film style)" idea? Having to wait a week or so until you've got the results? Extremely limited settings capabilities, if any? And the best of all - a higher price?
I wonder, how many of people fancying this idea would actually buy one, paying more, when they could get a mainstream product and turn that annoying (??) LCD off?

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QuoteOriginally posted by Kunzite Quote
I'd say he recognized that Leica Collector Edition for what it is, instead of pretending Pentax could do the same (but at much lower prices); the insult is just in your imagination.

And what's the big deal with this "simple DSLR (film style)" idea? Having to wait a week or so until you've got the results? Extremely limited settings capabilities, if any? And the best of all - a higher price?
I wonder, how many of people fancying this idea would actually buy one, paying more, when they could get a mainstream product and turn that annoying (??) LCD off?
A week or so?
I didn't read much about the M-60... but can't you just pop the SD card and download the photos on your pc? :-|
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But that won't be enough, right? You'd want to send your SD card to a lab, and days later to receive the prints - just like with film
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First the sony sensor in k-3. Now when the sony abandons its SLT technology, pentax jumps in. Is there some unofficial agreements that we should know of?
it would be good to know, which direction pentax is really heading.
jumping to 24mp sensor was a terrible mistake in my eyes, so what is it now, hope it is not just another assimilating project to draw attention.
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If the mirror can change it's transmittance by electronic means fast enough, the camera doesn't have to *move* the mirror out the way anymore, just switch to 100% when you hit the shutter. That would make a very interesting and durable camera, with less mechanical pieces to fault, without the shortcomings of SLT.
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This is not SLT, in fact it's very different.
SLT is an EVF-equipped camera with a dedicated PDAF system; an workaround until on-sensor AF can be "good enough". This patent, while it could be applicable to a SLT design, has applications as an improvement over the SLR design.
Two such possible applications are:
- "tuning" the amount of light reflected/transmitted to the optical viewfinder/AF system (in a classic, movable mirror SLR design)
- removing the need of a movable mirror ("pellicle" SLR design), in which case the light will be split between the optical viewfinder and the imaging sensor (with the AF on the imaging sensor)

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QuoteOriginally posted by Kunzite Quote
I'd say he recognized that Leica Collector Edition for what it is, instead of pretending Pentax could do the same (but at much lower prices); the insult is just in your imagination.

And what's the big deal with this "simple DSLR (film style)" idea? Having to wait a week or so until you've got the results? Extremely limited settings capabilities, if any? And the best of all - a higher price?
I wonder, how many of people fancying this idea would actually buy one, paying more, when they could get a mainstream product and turn that annoying (??) LCD off?
No I don't think so.
And the big deal is that you can use a camera (yes, even a DSLR) without having a gazillon settings to.. well set.
WB for one is useless, use RAW. Screen is useful if you have lots of settings, useless if not, as long as a good EVF is there.
You can't deny some users would like to use a DSLR like a film camera. Just replace the film with a sensor.

And if it means among other things, no SR, so be it. And yes, I'd buy one.
I enjoy shooting film (up to SuperA, Z1 is too hitech) much more than a DSLR.
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You might not think so, but that's how things are: a $19k Leica Collector Edition camera thrown in a discussion about what would be feasible for Pentax.

I understand you could be perfectly fine with an extremely basic digital camera. I'm not convinced you'd pay Leica prices for it. Even the Nikon Df, which only removed video, bears a $750 $1150 premium...

(replaced MSRP with B&H prices)

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