You should wait! (new flagship)

aleonx3 · 12-17-2014, 11:35 AM

Originally posted by Spodeworld

This is exactly on point. I've been thinking about getting a K3 (I already have a K30, K-01, K20D and a Nikon D7000).

Say a K3ii comes out with top shelf predictive AF.C, a tilty-shifty screen and even better sensor performance, would I be willing to spend $500 or $600 over what the K3 is now for that? I don't know, I'm inclined to say no. But, it would be tempting since that is what I am hoping for.

I am thinking the same here... I don't need tilt screen, better AF.C or other bells-n-whistles for additional price. Unless, one expects the price of new k-3 could still go lower (lower than entry level camera) - in that case, "wait" meaning to see the price would drop even further.

kooks · 12-17-2014, 12:28 PM

So this is what Nikon is coming with the D7200 .. ( probably they will announce at CES )

Perhaps we can expect the same ( or almost ) with a K3ii ... but is it worth it to upgrade for existing K3 users??

nikonrumors.com claims something like:

Here are the rumored Nikon D7200 specifications:

New 24MP APS-C sensor
Nikon D750 styled body with a tilting screen
Expeed 4 processor
MultiCAM 3500DX2 autofocus system
51 AF points
Built-in Wi-Fi
6fps
Buffer: 16 RAW+JPG
Video: 1080p @60 and 720p @120 (not sure about 4k)
Video aperture will be adjustable during live view
Expected announcement in the first few months of 2015

If is a FF i will buy it for sure.. but another APS-C with some "minor" upgrades mmmmmm no thanks

Raffwal · 12-17-2014, 12:41 PM

Preparing myself to be disappointed. Once again. Then again, I'm more a m43 shooter nowadays anyways.

rawr · 12-17-2014, 12:44 PM

Originally posted by kooks

Nikon D750 styled body with a tilting screen

Everyone is doing it nowadays.

But if I was a current D7100 owner, D7200 doesn't look like much of an upgrade.

If a K-3 II is the same as the upgrade from K-5 to K-5 II, it will be all about tuning and improvements that aren't really designed to entice existing users to upgrade, but to keep the camera fresh and competitive. In the case of a K-3 II, competitive against cameras like the D7200.

Kunzite · 12-17-2014, 12:55 PM

Originally posted by Raffwal

Preparing myself to be disappointed. Once again. Then again, I'm more a m43 shooter nowadays anyways.

It's impressive how a m43 shooter can be disappointed with Pentax

kooks · 12-17-2014, 12:56 PM

Just to make sure... cuz i cant remember.. when the K3 was released.. the K5ii and K5iis prices drop so drastically??

aleonx3 · 12-17-2014, 01:19 PM

Originally posted by kooks

Just to make sure... cuz i cant remember.. when the K3 was released.. the K5ii and K5iis prices drop so drastically??

I don't think it did... in my case, I paid the most for my k-5 and the least for my k-3 (all after 1st year of introduction); well, part of the reasons is perhaps, I become a little smarter when shopping for camera in my CBA quest.

**Kerrowdown** · 12-17-2014, 01:39 PM

Originally posted by lesmore49

Well, I hope you have learned your lesson !

Just overcome with excitement I was.

**luftfluss** · 12-17-2014, 01:54 PM

I hope the K-3 successor has LED's on the grip.

aleonx3 · 12-17-2014, 01:59 PM

Originally posted by luftfluss

I hope the K-3 successor has LED's on the grip.

Not unless it is called KS-3...

Kunzite · 12-17-2014, 02:05 PM

Maybe you didn't notice, but the K-3 already has a LED on the grip.

**luftfluss** · 12-17-2014, 02:15 PM

Originally posted by aleonx3

Not unless it is called KS-3...

Has a nice ring to it!

Originally posted by Kunzite

Maybe you didn't notice, but the K-3 already has a LED on the grip.

We need five. And colors, I want lots of colors.

**THoog** · 12-17-2014, 02:33 PM

Originally posted by kooks

Just to make sure... cuz i cant remember.. when the K3 was released.. the K5ii and K5iis prices drop so drastically??

According to PentaxPriceWatch, the K-5II was down to $800, the K-5IIs around $1000.

jonlg · 12-17-2014, 02:36 PM - **1 Like**

Well I jumped in and bought a K3 at the weekend (in the UK the price has dropped to £775 body only with a £70 rebate off that so around £700 which seemed like a sensible amount of money for a significant upgrade from the K5 I already had. In the end I decided that the move to a full frame is going to cost me around £2500 plus because I will need a new high quality and fast standard zoom and probably a wide zoom and a grip plus a body that will doubtless cost £1500-£2000 so it will be a significant upgrade with a £3000 cost compared to a less significant upgrade with a £1000 cost (K3 body, flu card, grip). I have noticed I generally move in on an upgrade when stuff has been out for a year or so and has dropped in price, indeed I bought the K5 when already discontinued.

If I had the money I would for sure buy the latest and greatest but in my view upgrading a year or two into the lifecycle of a product is more cost effective. The K3 is a huge upgrade in focus performance over the K5 (which was my main complaint about the K5) and in truth that's the main reason I decided to upgrade.

I will be very curious to see what's coming, but even if it's a K3 ii it won't be as cheap as the K3 is now, hence my reticence to move. I did enquire at SRS Microsystems where I bought the K3 as to what was coming down the pipe and the guy said to me he genuinely didn't know although he admitted sometimes they do know and just can't say but he said that wasn't the case on this occasion he really hadn't been briefed on anything. His take on it was that to launcha full frame will require a helluva lot more full frame compatible lenses. I was diappointed the 16-85 wasn't full frame compatible because that would have been an indication of an impending FF launch.

Saxon

goubejp · 12-17-2014, 03:20 PM

There is not much room for improvements for the K3... except maybe this new backlit APC-C sensor that allows one stop improvement...

12-17-2014, 11:35 AM	#136
aleonx3 Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Brampton, Ontario Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,996	why wait? perfect at that price point.. Originally posted by Spodeworld This is exactly on point. I've been thinking about getting a K3 (I already have a K30, K-01, K20D and a Nikon D7000). Say a K3ii comes out with top shelf predictive AF.C, a tilty-shifty screen and even better sensor performance, would I be willing to spend $500 or $600 over what the K3 is now for that? I don't know, I'm inclined to say no. But, it would be tempting since that is what I am hoping for. I am thinking the same here... I don't need tilt screen, better AF.C or other bells-n-whistles for additional price. Unless, one expects the price of new k-3 could still go lower (lower than entry level camera) - in that case, "wait" meaning to see the price would drop even further.

12-17-2014, 12:28 PM	#137
kooks Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: San José, Costa Rica Photos: Albums Posts: 794	So this is what Nikon is coming with the D7200 .. ( probably they will announce at CES ) Perhaps we can expect the same ( or almost ) with a K3ii ... but is it worth it to upgrade for existing K3 users?? nikonrumors.com claims something like: Here are the rumored Nikon D7200 specifications: New 24MP APS-C sensor Nikon D750 styled body with a tilting screen Expeed 4 processor MultiCAM 3500DX2 autofocus system 51 AF points Built-in Wi-Fi 6fps Buffer: 16 RAW+JPG Video: 1080p @60 and 720p @120 (not sure about 4k) Video aperture will be adjustable during live view Expected announcement in the first few months of 2015 If is a FF i will buy it for sure.. but another APS-C with some "minor" upgrades mmmmmm no thanks Last edited by kooks; 12-17-2014 at 12:36 PM.

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12-17-2014, 12:41 PM	#138
Raffwal Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The North Posts: 879	Preparing myself to be disappointed. Once again. Then again, I'm more a m43 shooter nowadays anyways.

12-17-2014, 12:44 PM	#139
rawr Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,913	Originally posted by kooks Nikon D750 styled body with a tilting screen Everyone is doing it nowadays. But if I was a current D7100 owner, D7200 doesn't look like much of an upgrade. If a K-3 II is the same as the upgrade from K-5 to K-5 II, it will be all about tuning and improvements that aren't really designed to entice existing users to upgrade, but to keep the camera fresh and competitive. In the case of a K-3 II, competitive against cameras like the D7200.

12-17-2014, 12:55 PM	#140
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Originally posted by Raffwal Preparing myself to be disappointed. Once again. Then again, I'm more a m43 shooter nowadays anyways. It's impressive how a m43 shooter can be disappointed with Pentax

12-17-2014, 12:56 PM	#141
kooks Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: San José, Costa Rica Photos: Albums Posts: 794	Just to make sure... cuz i cant remember.. when the K3 was released.. the K5ii and K5iis prices drop so drastically??

12-17-2014, 01:19 PM	#142
aleonx3 Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Brampton, Ontario Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,996	Originally posted by kooks Just to make sure... cuz i cant remember.. when the K3 was released.. the K5ii and K5iis prices drop so drastically?? I don't think it did... in my case, I paid the most for my k-5 and the least for my k-3 (all after 1st year of introduction); well, part of the reasons is perhaps, I become a little smarter when shopping for camera in my CBA quest.

12-17-2014, 01:39 PM	#143
Kerrowdown PEG Moderator Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Highlands of Scotland... "Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand" - William Blake Photos: Gallery Posts: 57,804	Originally posted by lesmore49 Well, I hope you have learned your lesson ! Just overcome with excitement I was.

12-17-2014, 01:54 PM	#144
luftfluss Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: NJ Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 11,618	I hope the K-3 successor has LED's on the grip.

12-17-2014, 01:59 PM	#145
aleonx3 Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Brampton, Ontario Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,996	Originally posted by luftfluss I hope the K-3 successor has LED's on the grip. Not unless it is called KS-3...

12-17-2014, 02:05 PM	#146
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Maybe you didn't notice, but the K-3 already has a LED on the grip.

12-17-2014, 02:15 PM	#147
luftfluss Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: NJ Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 11,618	Originally posted by aleonx3 Not unless it is called KS-3... Has a nice ring to it! Originally posted by Kunzite Maybe you didn't notice, but the K-3 already has a LED on the grip. We need five. And colors, I want lots of colors.

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12-17-2014, 02:33 PM	#148
THoog Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: North Carolina Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,685	Originally posted by kooks Just to make sure... cuz i cant remember.. when the K3 was released.. the K5ii and K5iis prices drop so drastically?? According to PentaxPriceWatch, the K-5II was down to $800, the K-5IIs around $1000.

12-17-2014, 02:36 PM - 1 Like	#149
jonlg Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: West Sussex Posts: 128	Well I jumped in and bought a K3 at the weekend (in the UK the price has dropped to £775 body only with a £70 rebate off that so around £700 which seemed like a sensible amount of money for a significant upgrade from the K5 I already had. In the end I decided that the move to a full frame is going to cost me around £2500 plus because I will need a new high quality and fast standard zoom and probably a wide zoom and a grip plus a body that will doubtless cost £1500-£2000 so it will be a significant upgrade with a £3000 cost compared to a less significant upgrade with a £1000 cost (K3 body, flu card, grip). I have noticed I generally move in on an upgrade when stuff has been out for a year or so and has dropped in price, indeed I bought the K5 when already discontinued. If I had the money I would for sure buy the latest and greatest but in my view upgrading a year or two into the lifecycle of a product is more cost effective. The K3 is a huge upgrade in focus performance over the K5 (which was my main complaint about the K5) and in truth that's the main reason I decided to upgrade. I will be very curious to see what's coming, but even if it's a K3 ii it won't be as cheap as the K3 is now, hence my reticence to move. I did enquire at SRS Microsystems where I bought the K3 as to what was coming down the pipe and the guy said to me he genuinely didn't know although he admitted sometimes they do know and just can't say but he said that wasn't the case on this occasion he really hadn't been briefed on anything. His take on it was that to launcha full frame will require a helluva lot more full frame compatible lenses. I was diappointed the 16-85 wasn't full frame compatible because that would have been an indication of an impending FF launch. Saxon

12-17-2014, 03:20 PM	#150
goubejp Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: France Photos: Albums Posts: 804	There is not much room for improvements for the K3... except maybe this new backlit APC-C sensor that allows one stop improvement...