News at CES 2015?

mrNewt · 01-13-2015, 08:32 AM

Originally posted by deus ursus

I'm not discussing any OS. Just a way to navigate through menus/photos and reviewing photos. If that requires Android or iOS, that's OK by me.

I've never had that problem when reviewing photos on my smartphone, so why should it be a problem on the camera?

Pinch to zoom works as a breeze on my phone (Motorola Moto G). Is that a common problem?

You forget that your phone has a bigger screen size than that 3" camera LCD... and not everyone has small fingers. Some of us have "sausages" instead... and some even have long fingernails (thinking of the ladies)...

If it works for you without issues, doesn't mean the rest of the world is tailored the same.

Kunzite · 01-13-2015, 08:38 AM

Pinch to zoom. You'd have the right hand on the grip, let's say a heavy-ish lens supported with your left - how would you pinch to zoom?
It just doesn't work.

Clavius · 01-13-2015, 08:56 AM

Originally posted by Kunzite

Pinch to zoom. You'd have the right hand on the grip, let's say a heavy-ish lens supported with your left - how would you pinch to zoom?
It just doesn't work.

I see myself switching the camera from my right hand to my left, holding it by the lens, just to pinch to zoom with my right. That's horror.

But again, there is currently a whole generation that is growing up with touch screens. They are going to want touch screens.

enoeske · 01-13-2015, 09:01 AM

Originally posted by Clavius

But again, there is currently a whole generation that is growing up with touch screens. They are going to want touch screens.

They are growing up without viewfinders as well. Should we do away with those because they don't use them?

Not a Number · 01-13-2015, 09:09 AM

Originally posted by enoeske

Should we do away with those because they don't use them?

When was the last time you bought a telephone with a dial on it?

mrNewt · 01-13-2015, 09:10 AM

Originally posted by Not a Number

When was the last time you bought a telephone with a dial on it?

You can still buy those if you want to... companies are still making them.
There is such a thing as people with disabilities... a touch screen will just not work for them.

thibs · 01-13-2015, 09:11 AM - **1 Like**

There's a way to do with touch screen almost perfectly if:

1. Touch can be deactivated which means touch is something more, not a way to remove e.g. buttons.

2. Have an eye detector so when you look into the vf, it shuts down the screen.

That would be workable IMO.

**monochrome** · 01-13-2015, 09:19 AM

Originally posted by Not a Number

When was the last time you bought a telephone with a dial on it?

Last month on eBay. Christmas present.

A pristine Harvest Gold AT&T original dial desk phone. It hasn't even been converted to the universal plug - I hard-wired it.* Now my daughter's credenza is as cool as an Upper East Side townhouse in Architectural Digest (and she doesn't have to deal with Comcast for telephony any more).

* She still has a copper land line that accepts pulse dialing.

deus ursus · 01-13-2015, 09:20 AM

Originally posted by Clavius

But again, there is currently a whole generation that is growing up with touch screens. They are going to want touch screens.

I am 45 ... :-)

IchabodCrane · 01-13-2015, 09:22 AM

Originally posted by Kunzite

Touch screens, hmm... if used to replace buttons and dials, they're a disaster. If not, they're just a way to fill the screen with greasy fingerprints, making it harder to see.

How long did it take for your mobile phone to become unusable?

**monochrome** · 01-13-2015, 09:32 AM

Originally posted by IchabodCrane

How long did it take for your mobile phone to become unusable?

I hardly use the smartphone features other than to receive emails my employer won't permit, and text messages. Otherwise the apps that would use a touch screen are functionally useless to me on a phone. I have a matched bluetooth keyboard for my tablet, so touch screen in place of a mouse is actually a retrogression.

Kunzite · 01-13-2015, 10:03 AM

Originally posted by IchabodCrane

How long did it take for your mobile phone to become unusable?

So it's either "everything's fine" or "can't see at all"?

I'm wiping the screen quite a few times daily; perhaps the oleophobic coating is not one of the most efficient. But, if you suggest that I'm the only one with such issues...

A touchscreen interface is not always the best approach. I cannot work on my PC using a touchscreen, for example.

**Erictator** · 01-13-2015, 10:09 AM

Originally posted by Kunzite

So it's either "everything's fine" or "can't see at all"?

I'm wiping the screen quite a few times daily; perhaps the oleophobic coating is not one of the most efficient. But, if you suggest that I'm the only one with such issues...

A touchscreen interface is not always the best approach. I cannot work on my PC using a touchscreen, for example.

Maybe Ricoh will be the "first" DSLR camera maker to include a pull out pen like my Samsung Note 4...

Trying to picture holding my Tamron 70-210 F2.8 with a 1.4x on that little thing with no battery grip while using the pen on a touch screen.

Eric

BrianR · 01-13-2015, 10:27 AM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by Kunzite

Pinch to zoom. You'd have the right hand on the grip, let's say a heavy-ish lens supported with your left - how would you pinch to zoom?
It just doesn't work.

Use your lips. The new Pentax Ki5s, worlds first kissable camera*.

*don't ask what the tongue controls

mrNewt · 01-13-2015, 10:31 AM

Originally posted by BrianR

Use your lips. The new Pentax Ki5s, worlds first kissable camera*.

*don't ask what the tongue controls

I doubt anyone will buy second hand cameras anymore if that would be the case.
Even as a joke it just sound wrong...

Can you imagine going in a store to try out a new camera and waiting your turn behind a dude!?

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01-13-2015, 08:32 AM	#511
mrNewt Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: ON, RH Posts: 2,181	Originally posted by deus ursus I'm not discussing any OS. Just a way to navigate through menus/photos and reviewing photos. If that requires Android or iOS, that's OK by me. I've never had that problem when reviewing photos on my smartphone, so why should it be a problem on the camera? Pinch to zoom works as a breeze on my phone (Motorola Moto G). Is that a common problem? You forget that your phone has a bigger screen size than that 3" camera LCD... and not everyone has small fingers. Some of us have "sausages" instead... and some even have long fingernails (thinking of the ladies)... If it works for you without issues, doesn't mean the rest of the world is tailored the same.

01-13-2015, 08:38 AM	#512
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Pinch to zoom. You'd have the right hand on the grip, let's say a heavy-ish lens supported with your left - how would you pinch to zoom? It just doesn't work.

01-13-2015, 08:56 AM	#513
Clavius Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: De Klundert Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,150	Originally posted by Kunzite Pinch to zoom. You'd have the right hand on the grip, let's say a heavy-ish lens supported with your left - how would you pinch to zoom? It just doesn't work. I see myself switching the camera from my right hand to my left, holding it by the lens, just to pinch to zoom with my right. That's horror. But again, there is currently a whole generation that is growing up with touch screens. They are going to want touch screens.

01-13-2015, 09:01 AM	#514
enoeske Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Surprise, Az Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,136	Originally posted by Clavius But again, there is currently a whole generation that is growing up with touch screens. They are going to want touch screens. They are growing up without viewfinders as well. Should we do away with those because they don't use them?

01-13-2015, 09:09 AM	#515
Not a Number Moderator Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Venice, CA Posts: 10,526	Originally posted by enoeske Should we do away with those because they don't use them? When was the last time you bought a telephone with a dial on it?

01-13-2015, 09:10 AM	#516
mrNewt Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: ON, RH Posts: 2,181	Originally posted by Not a Number When was the last time you bought a telephone with a dial on it? You can still buy those if you want to... companies are still making them. There is such a thing as people with disabilities... a touch screen will just not work for them.

01-13-2015, 09:11 AM - 1 Like	#517
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	There's a way to do with touch screen almost perfectly if: 1. Touch can be deactivated which means touch is something more, not a way to remove e.g. buttons. 2. Have an eye detector so when you look into the vf, it shuts down the screen. That would be workable IMO.

01-13-2015, 09:19 AM	#518
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by Not a Number When was the last time you bought a telephone with a dial on it? Last month on eBay. Christmas present. A pristine Harvest Gold AT&T original dial desk phone. It hasn't even been converted to the universal plug - I hard-wired it.* Now my daughter's credenza is as cool as an Upper East Side townhouse in Architectural Digest (and she doesn't have to deal with Comcast for telephony any more). * She still has a copper land line that accepts pulse dialing.

01-13-2015, 09:20 AM	#519
deus ursus Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Stårheim, Norway Posts: 658	Originally posted by Clavius But again, there is currently a whole generation that is growing up with touch screens. They are going to want touch screens. I am 45 ... :-)

01-13-2015, 09:22 AM	#520
IchabodCrane Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,728	Originally posted by Kunzite Touch screens, hmm... if used to replace buttons and dials, they're a disaster. If not, they're just a way to fill the screen with greasy fingerprints, making it harder to see. How long did it take for your mobile phone to become unusable?

01-13-2015, 09:32 AM	#521
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by IchabodCrane How long did it take for your mobile phone to become unusable? I hardly use the smartphone features other than to receive emails my employer won't permit, and text messages. Otherwise the apps that would use a touch screen are functionally useless to me on a phone. I have a matched bluetooth keyboard for my tablet, so touch screen in place of a mouse is actually a retrogression.

01-13-2015, 10:03 AM	#522
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Originally posted by IchabodCrane How long did it take for your mobile phone to become unusable? So it's either "everything's fine" or "can't see at all"? I'm wiping the screen quite a few times daily; perhaps the oleophobic coating is not one of the most efficient. But, if you suggest that I'm the only one with such issues... A touchscreen interface is not always the best approach. I cannot work on my PC using a touchscreen, for example.

01-13-2015, 10:09 AM	#523
Erictator Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2011 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,347	Originally posted by Kunzite So it's either "everything's fine" or "can't see at all"? I'm wiping the screen quite a few times daily; perhaps the oleophobic coating is not one of the most efficient. But, if you suggest that I'm the only one with such issues... A touchscreen interface is not always the best approach. I cannot work on my PC using a touchscreen, for example. Maybe Ricoh will be the "first" DSLR camera maker to include a pull out pen like my Samsung Note 4... Trying to picture holding my Tamron 70-210 F2.8 with a 1.4x on that little thing with no battery grip while using the pen on a touch screen. Eric

01-13-2015, 10:27 AM - 2 Likes	#524
BrianR Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Ontario Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,332	Originally posted by Kunzite Pinch to zoom. You'd have the right hand on the grip, let's say a heavy-ish lens supported with your left - how would you pinch to zoom? It just doesn't work. Use your lips. The new Pentax Ki5s, worlds first kissable camera. don't ask what the tongue controls

01-13-2015, 10:31 AM	#525
mrNewt Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: ON, RH Posts: 2,181	Originally posted by BrianR Use your lips. The new Pentax Ki5s, worlds first kissable camera. don't ask what the tongue controls I doubt anyone will buy second hand cameras anymore if that would be the case. Even as a joke it just sound wrong... Can you imagine going in a store to try out a new camera and waiting your turn behind a dude!?