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01-26-2015, 07:38 AM   #826
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QuoteOriginally posted by cxdoo Quote
You assume the customer base is uniform and everyone wants a FF system. That's not a reasonable assumption.

To be entirely honest with myself, and everyone reading this, after a lot of soul searching.... I don't "think" I'd give a rat's booty about FF if the new generation 24MP APSC sensor was as clean and ISO flexible as the K5 16MP sensor, but it's not.

You can't take a 100% view crop from the 24mp APSC and get as clean of an image like you can with the K5. I can't count how many images I just didn't have the reach for because I had a normal prime or my wide to normal short zoom mounted at the moment a spontaneous shot became available, but was able to get 100% view crop usable images from the K5.


The K5 sensor is amazing at this and has me spoiled! I didn't like ANY Pentax sensors as much as my DS 6MP which I still own and was a great little camera, and then bought and quickly got rid of my K10, K20 was ok but was hoping the AF was better on the K7... not so much, and hated the sensor, sold it and finally bought a K5 when it came out and was VERY HAPPY with the K5 sensor rendering and kept it. The K5 16MP sensor is the modern replacement for the DS 6MP to me. Finally! The AF still leaves a lot to be desired, but it's ok for now.


This is a big thing for me. Lets face it, when pressed for time and you have to succeed, center spot focus on the subject, depending on subject and distance, and shoot a little wider than needed is what you do when it's critical to just "get the shot" and worry about composition later in post processing. We don't always have time to lock focus, recompose then take the shot. So, in order to do this nicely, you need to be able to throw away some of the image and still have a clean shot, regardless of ISO, etc.


Any camera that gives me this advantage is what I want, I don't care what's inside it to get me there, but I'm also not ignorant that FF is going to be a leg up in this type of shooting, and any improvement in tech that makes an APSC sensor do this better, will "probably" make a new generation FF sensor do it even better still.


All that said, I'm twiddling my thumbs, avoiding the call of the K3 (I would love the improved AF, but it's rendering reminds me a little too much of the K7) so I am sitting on my K5 for now. I wonder how many K3 sales Ricoh has lost because people are waiting on the fence for something else?


It's your move Ricoh.


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01-26-2015, 09:36 AM   #827
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QuoteOriginally posted by Erictator Quote
To be entirely honest with myself, and everyone reading this, after a lot of soul searching.... I don't "think" I'd give a rat's booty about FF if the new generation 24MP APSC sensor was as clean and ISO flexible as the K5 16MP sensor, but it's not.

You can't take a 100% view crop from the 24mp APSC and get as clean of an image like you can with the K5. I can't count how many images I just didn't have the reach for because I had a normal prime or my wide to normal short zoom mounted at the moment a spontaneous shot became available, but was able to get 100% view crop usable images from the K5.


The K5 sensor is amazing at this and has me spoiled! I didn't like ANY Pentax sensors as much as my DS 6MP which I still own and was a great little camera, and then bought and quickly got rid of my K10, K20 was ok but was hoping the AF was better on the K7... not so much, and hated the sensor, sold it and finally bought a K5 when it came out and was VERY HAPPY with the K5 sensor rendering and kept it. The K5 16MP sensor is the modern replacement for the DS 6MP to me. Finally! The AF still leaves a lot to be desired, but it's ok for now.


This is a big thing for me. Lets face it, when pressed for time and you have to succeed, center spot focus on the subject, depending on subject and distance, and shoot a little wider than needed is what you do when it's critical to just "get the shot" and worry about composition later in post processing. We don't always have time to lock focus, recompose then take the shot. So, in order to do this nicely, you need to be able to throw away some of the image and still have a clean shot, regardless of ISO, etc.


Any camera that gives me this advantage is what I want, I don't care what's inside it to get me there, but I'm also not ignorant that FF is going to be a leg up in this type of shooting, and any improvement in tech that makes an APSC sensor do this better, will "probably" make a new generation FF sensor do it even better still.


All that said, I'm twiddling my thumbs, avoiding the call of the K3 (I would love the improved AF, but it's rendering reminds me a little too much of the K7) so I am sitting on my K5 for now. I wonder how many K3 sales Ricoh has lost because people are waiting on the fence for something else?


It's your move Ricoh.


Eric
They're still got K-5IIs cameras at the stores, you know Even more advantages over K-5 sensor, and a better AF might help until the K-3 replacement arrives (or the FF)
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here's a good resource on ff bodies/different lenses:
RiceHigh's Pentax Blog: Compatibility of DA Lenses on Full Frame

and

https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/10-pentax-slr-lens-discussion/183420-curr...me-lenses.html
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Riceeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

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Riceeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
That might be the first time that I've seen that blog called a 'good' resource.
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By the looks of that blog, all Pentax needs for FF is a good zoom lens line up. By the way, it's nice of him to do this.
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By the looks of that blog, all Pentax needs for FF is a good zoom lens line up. By the way, it's nice of him to do this.
24 - 70 mm f2.8
70 - 200mm f2.8 **
100 - 400 f4 **

They are already showing ( as most people said ) the last 2.. They might be saving the 24-70mm to announce it along with the FF body.. with that Pentax will cover all the way from 24mm to 400mm .. and the only thing that they willhave to work on are 2nd prime generations with new coatings, etc..
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QuoteOriginally posted by kooks Quote
24 - 70 mm f2.8
70 - 200mm f2.8 **
100 - 400 f4 **

They are already showing ( as most people said ) the last 2.. They might be saving the 24-70mm to announce it along with the FF body.. with that Pentax will cover all the way from 24mm to 400mm .. and the only thing that they willhave to work on are 2nd prime generations with new coatings, etc..
In that case, FF is really coming this 2015.

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Well.. thats the rumor that is around.. they already said that 2015 is the year.. so.. we are hoping that CP+ will be the event where they do it..
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QuoteOriginally posted by kooks Quote
so.. we are hoping that CP+ will be the event where they do it..
Or not. No real reason launches have to come at shows. Everyone is still puzzled by almost everything Ricoh does.

Maybe they will announce it on April 1st. That would show a real sense of humor
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QuoteOriginally posted by jatrax Quote
Or not. No real reason launches have to come at shows. Everyone is still puzzled by almost everything Ricoh does.

Maybe they will announce it on April 1st. That would show a real sense of humor
haha that is true... Could be.. Could not be.. but i really think that if they dont do it at CP+ at least they will give us a complete confirmatión that it will happen.. more than showing the 2 FF lenses.
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QuoteOriginally posted by jatrax Quote
Or not. No real reason launches have to come at shows. Everyone is still puzzled by almost everything Ricoh does.

Maybe they will announce it on April 1st. That would show a real sense of humor
Not sure this is inline with Japanese humour.
Was an Enlglish company though, I wouldn't be surprised
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QuoteOriginally posted by jatrax Quote
Or not. No real reason launches have to come at shows. Everyone is still puzzled by almost everything Ricoh does.

Maybe they will announce it on April 1st. That would show a real sense of humor
I bet that a lot of people will ask if it's April 1st when the FF announcement will come, regardless of the real date.
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This moment reminds me of my Olympus days where many waited if the 4/3 system would continue. And finally, they said it's going to be m4/3 all the way. But I'm sure Pentax will give the FF. It's just my gut feeling. I'm also sure those who are waiting will be excited. But of course no matter what Ricoh will do, there will also be critics.
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QuoteOriginally posted by totsmuyco Quote
This moment reminds me of my Olympus days where many waited if the 4/3 system would continue. And finally, they said it's going to be m4/3 all the way. But I'm sure Pentax will give the FF. It's just my gut feeling. I'm also sure those who are waiting will be excited. But of course no matter what Ricoh will do, there will also be critics.
My opininon is that if Pentax does market an FF camera soon, it should be forbidden to vent criticism... Unless it comes in all colours of the rainbow.
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