News at CES 2015?

**filoxophy** · 01-13-2015, 03:31 PM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by Tanzer

Guys, the problem is not that cellphones/tablets have touch screens. The problem is that they got rid of the buttons.

Exactly. I think people are talking past each other here. Nobody is saying Pentax should look like the Samsung Galaxy NX.

http://static.trustedreviews.com/94/000028ae9/51ea/Samsung-Galaxy-NX-product-shot-11.jpg

That thing makes me just want to chuck it in a lake thinking about the touch-only interface!

But for certain things, it would be a great OPTION to the hard buttons:

selecting multiple photos to edit/delete
touch to focus
menu maneuvering
pinch to zoom

And yes, it must be fully defeatable and have redundant hard controls. And an eye-level sensor.

This, at least, is what I mean when I say I want a touch screen.

richandfleur · 01-13-2015, 03:37 PM

Originally posted by Clavius

We shouldn't, but I'm afraid that's exactly what could happen if they don't grow up with viewfinders.

Viewfinders aren't going anywhere, but optical ones...

**boriscleto** · 01-13-2015, 04:26 PM - **2 Likes**

The new camera has a touchscreen, PentaxIsDooomed™

The new camera doesn't have a touchscreen, PentaxIsDooomed™

reh321 · 01-13-2015, 04:43 PM

Originally posted by filoxophy

That thing makes me just want to chuck it in a lake thinking about the touch-only interface!

But for certain things, it would be a great OPTION to the hard buttons

My twenty-something daughter has worn out several cell phone keyboards before their two-years were finished. Last month she had to buy a new iPhone because the touch-screen no longer detected touches on certain areas. I guess each technology has its limits.

IchabodCrane · 01-13-2015, 04:53 PM

Originally posted by reh321

My twenty-something daughter has worn out several cell phone keyboards before their two-years were finished. Last month she had to buy a new iPhone because the touch-screen no longer detected touches on certain areas. I guess each technology has its limits.

And as we all know, buttons can fall off, too.

Imp · 01-13-2015, 06:36 PM

This is what B and H says under their entry for Pentax CES 2015:

"In the same manner that there would be an entry-level, middle-tier and advanced camera, the black camera on display at the front of the showcase featured a more complex-looking control array and a swing-out swiveling LCD, marking it as possibly a more advanced model. We were told that all feature APS-C-sized sensors and built-in Wi-Fi, and one gentleman at the booth hinted that they may incorporate an advanced and innovative image-stabilization system."

whaaat?

**beachgardener** · 01-13-2015, 06:37 PM

Originally posted by richandfleur

Viewfinders aren't going anywhere, but optical ones...

but optical ones rule. Just thought I'd finish the sentence as I'm sure you would have meant

richandfleur · 01-13-2015, 06:47 PM

Originally posted by Imp

they may incorporate an advanced and innovative image-stabilization system.

Fingers crossed this means S/R that actually works in video...

Imp · 01-13-2015, 07:21 PM

next step - wait for CP+!

kooks · 01-14-2015, 12:17 AM - **1 Like**

Ok lets see.. This model the "unnamed K" is going to compete side by side with the new Nikon D5500 that IS IN FACT ( 100% confirmed ) a camera with a touch screen.. Do you guys see that Nikon got rid of the buttons?? no.. so why Pentax should?? all the buttons could ( and should ) be there but just with the advantage that if somebody wants to use the touchscreen they can use it.. nothing complicated there.

This is a side by side image of the Nikon D5300 vs D5500 .. all buttons are there.. everything is there.. just that the D5500 have a touchscreen..

Not a Number · 01-14-2015, 12:36 AM

Originally posted by kooks

Do you guys see that Nikon got rid of the buttons?? no.. so why Pentax should?? all the buttons could ( and should ) be there but just with the advantage that if somebody wants to use the touchscreen they can use it..

Since the LCD screen can be folded with the screen side in it wouldn't make much sense to get rid of the buttons. Unless of course the camera cannot be operated with the screen in. And what do you do if the LCD screen is turned off in the menu?

kooks · 01-14-2015, 01:09 AM

Originally posted by Not a Number

Since the LCD screen can be folded with the screen side in it wouldn't make much sense to get rid of the buttons. Unless of course the camera cannot be operated with the screen in. And what do you do if the LCD screen is turned off in the menu?

I guess that you can turn it back on pressing a button.. same as we do it now when we dont want the display to be turn on.. nothing complicated there.

Clavius · 01-14-2015, 02:18 AM

Originally posted by Tanzer

Guys, the problem is not that cellphones/tablets have touch screens. The problem is that they got rid of the buttons.

Yes, best phone I ever had still is the HTC TYTNII. It had a touch screen, but could slide out a keyboard underneath it. It also had a little pen that. I never had to touch the screen with my fingers at all. ☺

K-3-lover · 01-14-2015, 02:42 AM

Originally posted by Docrwm

The Flu Cards were an extra $20 with the K-3 kits FYI. I happen to like the idea of the Flu card because it's hardware can be upgraded with a new tech, where in-camera wifi an only have its firmware upgraded.

I'm interested in Wi-Fi spec of the new camera. If it is still 802.11n and the new Flucard will support 802.11ac, I'm happy to have K-3.

**monochrome** · 01-14-2015, 04:23 AM

I don't care if anything has a touch screen so long as I can still get a flagship Pentax camera that doesn't require me to use it for anything. Same as EVF - have at it as long as I can get a flagship Pentax camera that has an OVF.

01-13-2015, 03:31 PM - 2 Likes	#541
filoxophy Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Albuquerque Posts: 1,132	Originally posted by Tanzer Guys, the problem is not that cellphones/tablets have touch screens. The problem is that they got rid of the buttons. Exactly. I think people are talking past each other here. Nobody is saying Pentax should look like the Samsung Galaxy NX. http://static.trustedreviews.com/94/000028ae9/51ea/Samsung-Galaxy-NX-product-shot-11.jpg That thing makes me just want to chuck it in a lake thinking about the touch-only interface! But for certain things, it would be a great OPTION to the hard buttons: selecting multiple photos to edit/delete touch to focus menu maneuvering pinch to zoom And yes, it must be fully defeatable and have redundant hard controls. And an eye-level sensor. This, at least, is what I mean when I say I want a touch screen.

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01-13-2015, 03:37 PM	#542
richandfleur Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Palmerston North, New Zealand Photos: Albums Posts: 1,788	Originally posted by Clavius We shouldn't, but I'm afraid that's exactly what could happen if they don't grow up with viewfinders. Viewfinders aren't going anywhere, but optical ones...

01-13-2015, 04:26 PM - 2 Likes	#543
boriscleto Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: North Syracuse, NY Photos: Gallery Posts: 16,475	The new camera has a touchscreen, PentaxIsDooomed™ The new camera doesn't have a touchscreen, PentaxIsDooomed™

01-13-2015, 04:43 PM	#544
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,179	Originally posted by filoxophy That thing makes me just want to chuck it in a lake thinking about the touch-only interface! But for certain things, it would be a great OPTION to the hard buttons My twenty-something daughter has worn out several cell phone keyboards before their two-years were finished. Last month she had to buy a new iPhone because the touch-screen no longer detected touches on certain areas. I guess each technology has its limits.

01-13-2015, 04:53 PM	#545
IchabodCrane Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,728	Originally posted by reh321 My twenty-something daughter has worn out several cell phone keyboards before their two-years were finished. Last month she had to buy a new iPhone because the touch-screen no longer detected touches on certain areas. I guess each technology has its limits. And as we all know, buttons can fall off, too.

01-13-2015, 06:36 PM	#546
Imp Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Washington, DC Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,749	This is what B and H says under their entry for Pentax CES 2015: "In the same manner that there would be an entry-level, middle-tier and advanced camera, the black camera on display at the front of the showcase featured a more complex-looking control array and a swing-out swiveling LCD, marking it as possibly a more advanced model. We were told that all feature APS-C-sized sensors and built-in Wi-Fi, and one gentleman at the booth hinted that they may incorporate an advanced and innovative image-stabilization system." whaaat?

01-13-2015, 06:37 PM	#547
beachgardener Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,842	Originally posted by richandfleur Viewfinders aren't going anywhere, but optical ones... but optical ones rule. Just thought I'd finish the sentence as I'm sure you would have meant

01-13-2015, 06:47 PM	#548
richandfleur Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Palmerston North, New Zealand Photos: Albums Posts: 1,788	Originally posted by Imp they may incorporate an advanced and innovative image-stabilization system. Fingers crossed this means S/R that actually works in video...

01-13-2015, 07:21 PM	#549
Imp Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Washington, DC Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,749	next step - wait for CP+!

01-14-2015, 12:17 AM - 1 Like	#550
kooks Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: San José, Costa Rica Photos: Albums Posts: 794	Ok lets see.. This model the "unnamed K" is going to compete side by side with the new Nikon D5500 that IS IN FACT ( 100% confirmed ) a camera with a touch screen.. Do you guys see that Nikon got rid of the buttons?? no.. so why Pentax should?? all the buttons could ( and should ) be there but just with the advantage that if somebody wants to use the touchscreen they can use it.. nothing complicated there. This is a side by side image of the Nikon D5300 vs D5500 .. all buttons are there.. everything is there.. just that the D5500 have a touchscreen..

01-14-2015, 12:36 AM	#551
Not a Number Moderator Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Venice, CA Posts: 10,526	Originally posted by kooks Do you guys see that Nikon got rid of the buttons?? no.. so why Pentax should?? all the buttons could ( and should ) be there but just with the advantage that if somebody wants to use the touchscreen they can use it.. Since the LCD screen can be folded with the screen side in it wouldn't make much sense to get rid of the buttons. Unless of course the camera cannot be operated with the screen in. And what do you do if the LCD screen is turned off in the menu?

01-14-2015, 01:09 AM	#552
kooks Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: San José, Costa Rica Photos: Albums Posts: 794	Originally posted by Not a Number Since the LCD screen can be folded with the screen side in it wouldn't make much sense to get rid of the buttons. Unless of course the camera cannot be operated with the screen in. And what do you do if the LCD screen is turned off in the menu? I guess that you can turn it back on pressing a button.. same as we do it now when we dont want the display to be turn on.. nothing complicated there.

01-14-2015, 02:18 AM	#553
Clavius Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: De Klundert Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,150	Originally posted by Tanzer Guys, the problem is not that cellphones/tablets have touch screens. The problem is that they got rid of the buttons. Yes, best phone I ever had still is the HTC TYTNII. It had a touch screen, but could slide out a keyboard underneath it. It also had a little pen that. I never had to touch the screen with my fingers at all. ☺

01-14-2015, 02:42 AM	#554
K-3-lover Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Posts: 47	Originally posted by Docrwm The Flu Cards were an extra $20 with the K-3 kits FYI. I happen to like the idea of the Flu card because it's hardware can be upgraded with a new tech, where in-camera wifi an only have its firmware upgraded. I'm interested in Wi-Fi spec of the new camera. If it is still 802.11n and the new Flucard will support 802.11ac, I'm happy to have K-3.

01-14-2015, 04:23 AM	#555
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	I don't care if anything has a touch screen so long as I can still get a flagship Pentax camera that doesn't require me to use it for anything. Same as EVF - have at it as long as I can get a flagship Pentax camera that has an OVF.