News at CES 2015?

y0chang · 01-18-2015, 09:31 AM - **2 Likes**

Pentax appeals to outdoor photographers. Landscapes and nature photography. Great image quality, weather sealing, rugged build, good ergonomics. Lightweight lenses help you carry less and all are image stabilized. The only thing pentax is weak at is tracking autofocus of very fast subjects, which can be mitigated by technique and in reality fast tracking of subjects is only a very small percentage of what actually get shot.

Last edited by y0chang; 01-18-2015 at 09:42 AM.

**jatrax** · 01-18-2015, 10:21 AM

Originally posted by mecrox

One could argue that the real innovations to come will be at the software level, not the sensor level. That still favours outfits with big R&D departments but takes us a little beyond the traditional camera companies. In future years, there might not be enough buyers of pure, traditional cameras to go round; there barely are now.

Good points. Software is indeed a differentiating factor whether that be the menu interface or tethering. I'd say Pentax has a reasonable chance of succeeding in that area. They have a lot of expertise in software development from their other divisions if that can be leveraged. I personally think the Pentax menu system is the best I have tried and I have played with Canon, Nikon and Sony so they can build on that. However their struggle to develop a viable WiFi solution and having to resort to the third party FluCard thingie is not a strong indication in their favor. And the complete lack of a USB tethering app in anything except the 645 line is just unconscionable.

johnmflores · 01-18-2015, 10:46 AM

It's not hardware, it's not software, it's both. The biggest innovators in digital imaging right now are GoPro and Apple.

Pentaxopoulos · 01-18-2015, 01:18 PM

Originally posted by aleonx3

The k-S1 just came out recently, it can not be sequel in such a short unless the k-S1 has big flaws that a new release is imminent (as in the case recent Nikon models).

---------- Post added 01-11-2015 at 12:33 PM ----------

If it is a Sony, it will be k-55, if it is a Nikon it will be k-51, if it is a Canon, it will be k-60.

Let's wait few days and we will see...

Zygonyx · 01-18-2015, 01:28 PM

Originally posted by johnmflores

It's not hardware, it's not software, it's both. The biggest innovators in digital imaging right now are GoPro and Apple.

Apple?????

johnmflores · 01-18-2015, 01:39 PM - **3 Likes**

Originally posted by Zygonyx

Apple?????

Photography is in a very very different place now than it was before the introduction of the iPhone in 2007.

In less than 10 years they've gone from not having a camera to the most popular camera on the planet and have provided the platform on which a whole new era of social photography (Facebook, Instagram, etc…) was built.

So I'd put the iPhone right up there with the Brownie for cameras with the greatest impact on society.

D1N0 · 01-18-2015, 02:12 PM - **1 Like**

There were camera's in phones long before the iPhone. Apple didn't invent that. Nor did they invent the touch screen. Nor were they the first to use them together. What Apple did was throw in their marketing weight the moment their was enough fast internet available for a mass market connected device.

Cambo · 01-18-2015, 03:13 PM

Originally posted by D1N0

There were camera's in phones long before the iPhone. Apple didn't invent that. Nor did they invent the touch screen. Nor were they the first to use them together. What Apple did was throw in their marketing weight the moment their was enough fast internet available for a mass market connected device.

They made a machine that was GAMECHANGING, that the world HAD to have; magnitudes better than ANYTHING out there. And they continue to do so.

And their camera's remain the best in class.

Cheers,
Cameron

johnmflores · 01-18-2015, 03:21 PM

Originally posted by D1N0

There were camera's in phones long before the iPhone. Apple didn't invent that. Nor did they invent the touch screen. Nor were they the first to use them together. What Apple did was throw in their marketing weight the moment their was enough fast internet available for a mass market connected device.

Never said they were the first or that they invented anything, but they've been particularly good at adopting technology right when it has matured enough to be sold to the masses.

Mistral75 · 01-18-2015, 03:51 PM

Originally posted by johnmflores

Never said they were the first or that they invented anything, but they've been particularly good at adopting technology right when it has matured enough to be sold to the masses.

Indeed but not always: do you remember the Newton PDA? the QuickTake digital camera?

Clothears · 01-18-2015, 04:25 PM

Originally posted by Cambo

They made a machine that was GAMECHANGING, that the world HAD to have; magnitudes better than ANYTHING out there.

I've never had to have one.

Quote:

And their camera's remain the best in class.

Their camera's what remains best in class?

VoiceOfReason · 01-18-2015, 05:07 PM

Originally posted by Cambo

They made a machine that was GAMECHANGING, that the world HAD to have; magnitudes better than ANYTHING out there. And they continue to do so.

And their camera's remain the best in class.

Cheers,
Cameron

So I take it you have not used any top tier Android devices lately? I think Apple finally caught up with 2012 with their bigger iPhone 6. They have awesome marketing though, I'll give you that.

D1N0 · 01-18-2015, 06:56 PM

Finally the thread has been thoroughly derailed.

**jatrax** · 01-18-2015, 07:24 PM

Originally posted by D1N0

Finally the thread has been thoroughly derailed.

Finally?

VoiceOfReason · 01-18-2015, 07:39 PM

It can never beat a certain topic in the K3 section....

01-18-2015, 03:13 PM	#728
Cambo Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Vancouver, BC Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,016	No... Originally posted by D1N0 There were camera's in phones long before the iPhone. Apple didn't invent that. Nor did they invent the touch screen. Nor were they the first to use them together. What Apple did was throw in their marketing weight the moment their was enough fast internet available for a mass market connected device. They made a machine that was GAMECHANGING, that the world HAD to have; magnitudes better than ANYTHING out there. And they continue to do so. And their camera's remain the best in class. Cheers, Cameron

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01-18-2015, 09:31 AM - 2 Likes	#721
y0chang Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: United States Posts: 793	Pentax appeals to outdoor photographers. Landscapes and nature photography. Great image quality, weather sealing, rugged build, good ergonomics. Lightweight lenses help you carry less and all are image stabilized. The only thing pentax is weak at is tracking autofocus of very fast subjects, which can be mitigated by technique and in reality fast tracking of subjects is only a very small percentage of what actually get shot. Last edited by y0chang; 01-18-2015 at 09:42 AM.

01-18-2015, 10:21 AM	#722
jatrax Site Supporter Join Date: May 2010 Location: Washington Cascades Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 12,991	Originally posted by mecrox One could argue that the real innovations to come will be at the software level, not the sensor level. That still favours outfits with big R&D departments but takes us a little beyond the traditional camera companies. In future years, there might not be enough buyers of pure, traditional cameras to go round; there barely are now. Good points. Software is indeed a differentiating factor whether that be the menu interface or tethering. I'd say Pentax has a reasonable chance of succeeding in that area. They have a lot of expertise in software development from their other divisions if that can be leveraged. I personally think the Pentax menu system is the best I have tried and I have played with Canon, Nikon and Sony so they can build on that. However their struggle to develop a viable WiFi solution and having to resort to the third party FluCard thingie is not a strong indication in their favor. And the complete lack of a USB tethering app in anything except the 645 line is just unconscionable.

01-18-2015, 10:46 AM	#723
johnmflores Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Somerville, NJ Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 5,361	It's not hardware, it's not software, it's both. The biggest innovators in digital imaging right now are GoPro and Apple.

01-18-2015, 01:18 PM	#724
Pentaxopoulos New Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Posts: 2	Originally posted by aleonx3 The k-S1 just came out recently, it can not be sequel in such a short unless the k-S1 has big flaws that a new release is imminent (as in the case recent Nikon models). ---------- Post added 01-11-2015 at 12:33 PM ---------- If it is a Sony, it will be k-55, if it is a Nikon it will be k-51, if it is a Canon, it will be k-60. Let's wait few days and we will see...

01-18-2015, 01:28 PM	#725
Zygonyx Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Ile de France Posts: 4,033	Originally posted by johnmflores It's not hardware, it's not software, it's both. The biggest innovators in digital imaging right now are GoPro and Apple. Apple?????

01-18-2015, 01:39 PM - 3 Likes	#726
johnmflores Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Somerville, NJ Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 5,361	Originally posted by Zygonyx Apple????? Photography is in a very very different place now than it was before the introduction of the iPhone in 2007. In less than 10 years they've gone from not having a camera to the most popular camera on the planet and have provided the platform on which a whole new era of social photography (Facebook, Instagram, etc…) was built. So I'd put the iPhone right up there with the Brownie for cameras with the greatest impact on society.

01-18-2015, 02:12 PM - 1 Like	#727
D1N0 Pentaxian Join Date: May 2012 Location: --- Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,802	There were camera's in phones long before the iPhone. Apple didn't invent that. Nor did they invent the touch screen. Nor were they the first to use them together. What Apple did was throw in their marketing weight the moment their was enough fast internet available for a mass market connected device.

01-18-2015, 03:21 PM	#729
johnmflores Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Somerville, NJ Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 5,361	Originally posted by D1N0 There were camera's in phones long before the iPhone. Apple didn't invent that. Nor did they invent the touch screen. Nor were they the first to use them together. What Apple did was throw in their marketing weight the moment their was enough fast internet available for a mass market connected device. Never said they were the first or that they invented anything, but they've been particularly good at adopting technology right when it has matured enough to be sold to the masses.

01-18-2015, 03:51 PM	#730
Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,527	Originally posted by johnmflores Never said they were the first or that they invented anything, but they've been particularly good at adopting technology right when it has matured enough to be sold to the masses. Indeed but not always: do you remember the Newton PDA? the QuickTake digital camera?

01-18-2015, 04:25 PM	#731
Clothears Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Canterbury Posts: 170	Originally posted by Cambo They made a machine that was GAMECHANGING, that the world HAD to have; magnitudes better than ANYTHING out there. I've never had to have one. Quote: And their camera's remain the best in class. Their camera's what remains best in class?

01-18-2015, 05:07 PM	#732
VoiceOfReason Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Mishawaka IN area Photos: Albums Posts: 6,124	Originally posted by Cambo They made a machine that was GAMECHANGING, that the world HAD to have; magnitudes better than ANYTHING out there. And they continue to do so. And their camera's remain the best in class. Cheers, Cameron So I take it you have not used any top tier Android devices lately? I think Apple finally caught up with 2012 with their bigger iPhone 6. They have awesome marketing though, I'll give you that.

01-18-2015, 06:56 PM	#733
D1N0 Pentaxian Join Date: May 2012 Location: --- Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,802	Finally the thread has been thoroughly derailed.

01-18-2015, 07:24 PM	#734
jatrax Site Supporter Join Date: May 2010 Location: Washington Cascades Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 12,991	Originally posted by D1N0 Finally the thread has been thoroughly derailed. Finally?

01-18-2015, 07:39 PM	#735
VoiceOfReason Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Mishawaka IN area Photos: Albums Posts: 6,124	It can never beat a certain topic in the K3 section....