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Wired · 01-28-2015, 12:41 PM

Originally posted by Erictator

Woops... posted this in the other CES thread by mistake:

What if Ricoh does like Nikon did with the DF and gives us a KD-LX retro FF right off the bat? Have you seen the lynch mobs on the Nikon forums over the DF ? Talk about DOOMED! LOL!

Funny thing is, I'd prolly like a KD-LX retro FF, heh heh, but I'd also most likely be in a minority on that one. I get the feeling that most people I see posting here are hoping for more of a K-3 style body with a FF sensor.

Whatever it is going to be, it's going to need a good size grip area with those big yet-to-be-named lenses.

Eric

Nikon screwed up with the DF, they didn't do it right at all. The way to do it is how Fuji did it with the XT-1... now there is a sexy retro camera that works well. Aside from that mushy four way pad on the back and moving focus points it's a fantastic little camera to operate. I'd do that with a 35mm sensor with a K mount on it... for sure, hands down!

But a K3 style body with a 35mm sensor is the way to go as to get the best market penetration I think.

and yea... Nikon people are constantly going on about how doomed the world of Nikon is. One guy in my local facebook group blew up about how Nikon mistreated him and blah blah blah.... Canon people too....

**Erictator** · 01-28-2015, 12:50 PM

Originally posted by D1N0

Or they could make a FF K-S1 with flashy leds and a look at the little bird voice coming out of it.....

Hence my comment about something with a big enough grip... the K-s1 is a smallish camera and I don't think lends itself to the previous hints we've been given about the coming body from people "in the know".

If I were a betting man, I'd hold Johnny Carson's envelope to my head and guess it has to be either a K-3 evolution or something entirely new.

The KD-LX was a dark horse joke, but you can never count out the dark horses either, heh heh.

Eric

**monochrome** · 01-28-2015, 12:54 PM

What makes you think there is only one FF camera?

**Erictator** · 01-28-2015, 12:57 PM

Originally posted by Wired

Nikon screwed up with the DF, they didn't do it right at all. The way to do it is how Fuji did it with the XT-1... now there is a sexy retro camera that works well. Aside from that mushy four way pad on the back and moving focus points it's a fantastic little camera to operate. I'd do that with a 35mm sensor with a K mount on it... for sure, hands down!

But a K3 style body with a 35mm sensor is the way to go as to get the best market penetration I think.

and yea... Nikon people are constantly going on about how doomed the world of Nikon is. One guy in my local facebook group blew up about how Nikon mistreated him and blah blah blah.... Canon people too....

No arguments from me, but the XT-1 might get a little crowded with dual memory slots, and a big honking FF 100% viewfinder... and the FF lens registration distance...and the mic port, weatherization,... well, it would prolly need to get pumped up a bit in all directions, and need an optional grip. Oh yeah, wait, we have that already, it's called a K-3. All roads keep leading back to Rome to my logic.

Eric

---------- Post added 01-28-15 at 03:00 PM ----------

Originally posted by monochrome

What makes you think there is only one FF camera?

I don't know... just an assumption seeing how just producing single models almost cripples their production line. They still are catching up on 645z orders, and that's a small market compared to K mount. I don't see them having the ability to not only get FF right, but release multiple FF models at once. Hey, don't get me wrong, I'd cheer for them if they did, it just seems in the realm of total fantasy to me.
Eric

6BQ5 · 01-28-2015, 01:28 PM

Originally posted by monochrome

What makes you think there is only one FF camera?

OOOooooooOOOOoooO!! Now that would throw people in for a loop, wouldn't it? Two or three FF models with staggered release dates to coincide with multiple new lens releases? Hmmmm... my 2016 and 2017 Christmas and post-Christmas shopping list just got longer!

jcdoss · 01-28-2015, 02:07 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by monochrome

What makes you think there is only one FF camera?

I think my head almost exploded.

Wired · 01-28-2015, 02:51 PM

Originally posted by Erictator

No arguments from me, but the XT-1 might get a little crowded with dual memory slots, and a big honking FF 100% viewfinder... and the FF lens registration distance...and the mic port, weatherization,... well, it would prolly need to get pumped up a bit in all directions, and need an optional grip. Oh yeah, wait, we have that already, it's called a K-3. All roads keep leading back to Rome to my logic.

What about an XT-1 with K mount and a proper button setup and an APSC sensor? Think LX merged with a K3. If it were LX sized (which it could be as it would be mirrorless), and all our tasty Limited series glass.... yea, I would so happy its not even funny.

Crap, I want an XT-1 again...

astron · 01-28-2015, 03:08 PM

Originally posted by jcdoss

I think my head almost exploded.

There can be only one...FF!

**monochrome** · 01-28-2015, 03:11 PM

I don't mean to infer I know anything. Just some dude from flyover country.

Well, let's see - a K-30 was really a K-01 with a VF and a mirror.tacked on so a FF could be . . . .

A little 645 (dual bus, dual processor, fasssssssst FF)
A bigger K-3 (enthusiasts dream machine at a market-busting price)
a MILC LX with an adapter for K-mount lenses. (with a different processor and aperture linkage this could be a sweet video tuner machine)

Betcha' can't buy just one.

Kunzite · 01-28-2015, 03:17 PM

I don't care about Nikon's fake retro styling. I don't care about Fuji's fake retro styling. I care about Pentax.

Wired · 01-28-2015, 03:30 PM

Originally posted by monochrome

I don't mean to infer I know anything. Just some dude from flyover country.

Well, let's see - a K-30 was really a K-01 with a VF and a mirror.tacked on so a FF could be . . . .

A little 645 (dual bus, dual processor, fasssssssst FF)
A bigger K-3 (enthusiasts dream machine at a market-busting price)
a MILC LX with an adapter for K-mount lenses. (with a different processor and aperture linkage this could be a sweet video tuner machine)

Betcha' can't buy just one.

I'll take the little 645 and the LX please

Uluru · 01-28-2015, 04:17 PM

Originally posted by Kunzite

I don't care about Nikon's fake retro styling. I don't care about Fuji's fake retro styling. I care about Pentax.

Interestingly, I have found that all users I know who purchased into Fuji bought it not for the sake of retro looks alone (it is not as polished though, Leica does a much better job), but because of the JPEGs that come out of camera.

Fuji's secret (and lately, Leica's) to success is maybe wrapped inside the fake retro style, but the gem is the JPEG engine. Files require zero touch, they are perfectly usable, and most users are so happy because they know JPEGs will work. One can be very relaxed and enjoy photography. But with Pentax, I am never sure of the JPEGs, and must store RAWs, just in case to massage them later. And that's a worry I don't like to have.

I would love Pentax / Ricoh to improve in that direction. The styling of the camera? Apart from K-01 or K-S1 which are not my cup of tea, they mostly do it fine.

Kunzite · 01-28-2015, 04:33 PM

The discussion above wasn't about Fuji's JPEG engine; actually you're the first to mention JPEGs, in response to a post which was referring to "fake retro styling".
Should I care about Fuji, by the way? I mean, outside the "Non-Pentax cameras" area?

starjedi · 01-28-2015, 05:59 PM

Originally posted by Docrwm

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I predict we will see a LX style FF some days. Can be 2015 or 20015.

Docrwm · 01-28-2015, 06:05 PM

The only FF I routinely dream about is a K-02. Of course that is on medication.

Seriously, I think we're in for a lot in 2 weeks.

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monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	I don't mean to infer I know anything. Just some dude from flyover country. Well, let's see - a K-30 was really a K-01 with a VF and a mirror.tacked on so a FF could be . . . . A little 645 (dual bus, dual processor, fasssssssst FF) A bigger K-3 (enthusiasts dream machine at a market-busting price) a MILC LX with an adapter for K-mount lenses. (with a different processor and aperture linkage this could be a sweet video tuner machine) Betcha' can't buy just one. Last edited by monochrome; 01-28-2015 at 03:21 PM.

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01-28-2015, 12:41 PM	#226
Wired Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Edmonton, AB Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,519	Originally posted by Erictator Woops... posted this in the other CES thread by mistake: What if Ricoh does like Nikon did with the DF and gives us a KD-LX retro FF right off the bat? Have you seen the lynch mobs on the Nikon forums over the DF ? Talk about DOOMED! LOL! Funny thing is, I'd prolly like a KD-LX retro FF, heh heh, but I'd also most likely be in a minority on that one. I get the feeling that most people I see posting here are hoping for more of a K-3 style body with a FF sensor. Whatever it is going to be, it's going to need a good size grip area with those big yet-to-be-named lenses. Eric Nikon screwed up with the DF, they didn't do it right at all. The way to do it is how Fuji did it with the XT-1... now there is a sexy retro camera that works well. Aside from that mushy four way pad on the back and moving focus points it's a fantastic little camera to operate. I'd do that with a 35mm sensor with a K mount on it... for sure, hands down! But a K3 style body with a 35mm sensor is the way to go as to get the best market penetration I think. and yea... Nikon people are constantly going on about how doomed the world of Nikon is. One guy in my local facebook group blew up about how Nikon mistreated him and blah blah blah.... Canon people too....

01-28-2015, 12:50 PM	#227
Erictator Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2011 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,347	Originally posted by D1N0 Or they could make a FF K-S1 with flashy leds and a look at the little bird voice coming out of it..... Hence my comment about something with a big enough grip... the K-s1 is a smallish camera and I don't think lends itself to the previous hints we've been given about the coming body from people "in the know". If I were a betting man, I'd hold Johnny Carson's envelope to my head and guess it has to be either a K-3 evolution or something entirely new. The KD-LX was a dark horse joke, but you can never count out the dark horses either, heh heh. Eric

01-28-2015, 12:54 PM	#228
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	What makes you think there is only one FF camera?

01-28-2015, 12:57 PM	#229
Erictator Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2011 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,347	Originally posted by Wired Nikon screwed up with the DF, they didn't do it right at all. The way to do it is how Fuji did it with the XT-1... now there is a sexy retro camera that works well. Aside from that mushy four way pad on the back and moving focus points it's a fantastic little camera to operate. I'd do that with a 35mm sensor with a K mount on it... for sure, hands down! But a K3 style body with a 35mm sensor is the way to go as to get the best market penetration I think. and yea... Nikon people are constantly going on about how doomed the world of Nikon is. One guy in my local facebook group blew up about how Nikon mistreated him and blah blah blah.... Canon people too.... No arguments from me, but the XT-1 might get a little crowded with dual memory slots, and a big honking FF 100% viewfinder... and the FF lens registration distance...and the mic port, weatherization,... well, it would prolly need to get pumped up a bit in all directions, and need an optional grip. Oh yeah, wait, we have that already, it's called a K-3. All roads keep leading back to Rome to my logic. Eric ---------- Post added 01-28-15 at 03:00 PM ---------- Originally posted by monochrome What makes you think there is only one FF camera? I don't know... just an assumption seeing how just producing single models almost cripples their production line. They still are catching up on 645z orders, and that's a small market compared to K mount. I don't see them having the ability to not only get FF right, but release multiple FF models at once. Hey, don't get me wrong, I'd cheer for them if they did, it just seems in the realm of total fantasy to me. Eric

01-28-2015, 01:28 PM	#230
6BQ5 Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Nevada, USA Photos: Albums Posts: 3,348	Originally posted by monochrome What makes you think there is only one FF camera? OOOooooooOOOOoooO!! Now that would throw people in for a loop, wouldn't it? Two or three FF models with staggered release dates to coincide with multiple new lens releases? Hmmmm... my 2016 and 2017 Christmas and post-Christmas shopping list just got longer!

01-28-2015, 02:07 PM - 1 Like	#231
jcdoss Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Ingelheim am Rhein, Germany Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 6,794	Originally posted by monochrome What makes you think there is only one FF camera? I think my head almost exploded.

01-28-2015, 02:51 PM	#232
Wired Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Edmonton, AB Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,519	Originally posted by Erictator No arguments from me, but the XT-1 might get a little crowded with dual memory slots, and a big honking FF 100% viewfinder... and the FF lens registration distance...and the mic port, weatherization,... well, it would prolly need to get pumped up a bit in all directions, and need an optional grip. Oh yeah, wait, we have that already, it's called a K-3. All roads keep leading back to Rome to my logic. What about an XT-1 with K mount and a proper button setup and an APSC sensor? Think LX merged with a K3. If it were LX sized (which it could be as it would be mirrorless), and all our tasty Limited series glass.... yea, I would so happy its not even funny. Crap, I want an XT-1 again...

01-28-2015, 03:08 PM	#233
astron Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 105	Originally posted by jcdoss I think my head almost exploded. There can be only one...FF!

01-28-2015, 03:17 PM	#235
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	I don't care about Nikon's fake retro styling. I don't care about Fuji's fake retro styling. I care about Pentax.

01-28-2015, 03:30 PM	#236
Wired Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Edmonton, AB Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,519	Originally posted by monochrome I don't mean to infer I know anything. Just some dude from flyover country. Well, let's see - a K-30 was really a K-01 with a VF and a mirror.tacked on so a FF could be . . . . A little 645 (dual bus, dual processor, fasssssssst FF) A bigger K-3 (enthusiasts dream machine at a market-busting price) a MILC LX with an adapter for K-mount lenses. (with a different processor and aperture linkage this could be a sweet video tuner machine) Betcha' can't buy just one. I'll take the little 645 and the LX please

01-28-2015, 04:17 PM	#237
Uluru Banned Join Date: May 2010 Location: Back to my Walkabout Creek Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,535	Originally posted by Kunzite I don't care about Nikon's fake retro styling. I don't care about Fuji's fake retro styling. I care about Pentax. Interestingly, I have found that all users I know who purchased into Fuji bought it not for the sake of retro looks alone (it is not as polished though, Leica does a much better job), but because of the JPEGs that come out of camera. Fuji's secret (and lately, Leica's) to success is maybe wrapped inside the fake retro style, but the gem is the JPEG engine. Files require zero touch, they are perfectly usable, and most users are so happy because they know JPEGs will work. One can be very relaxed and enjoy photography. But with Pentax, I am never sure of the JPEGs, and must store RAWs, just in case to massage them later. And that's a worry I don't like to have. I would love Pentax / Ricoh to improve in that direction. The styling of the camera? Apart from K-01 or K-S1 which are not my cup of tea, they mostly do it fine.

01-28-2015, 04:33 PM	#238
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	The discussion above wasn't about Fuji's JPEG engine; actually you're the first to mention JPEGs, in response to a post which was referring to "fake retro styling". Should I care about Fuji, by the way? I mean, outside the "Non-Pentax cameras" area?

01-28-2015, 05:59 PM	#239
starjedi Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: New Jersey Posts: 932	Originally posted by Docrwm CP+ Begins in I predict we will see a LX style FF some days. Can be 2015 or 20015.

01-28-2015, 06:05 PM	#240
Docrwm Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Somewhere in the Southern US Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 12,285 Original Poster	The only FF I routinely dream about is a K-02. Of course that is on medication. Seriously, I think we're in for a lot in 2 weeks.