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**Stavri** · 02-12-2015, 08:32 AM

More coverage in pics from the ricoh booth, some close ups of the two new lenses, accessories and more

http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/news/20150212_688027.html

**monochrome** · 02-12-2015, 08:34 AM

Hah hah. We broke the internet again.

D1N0 · 02-12-2015, 08:58 AM

It looks just about perfect except for the missing flash. Extra dedicated button on the left (af-mode raw/fx, and?) Where has the lv/movie button moved to?

lytrytyr · 02-12-2015, 09:03 AM

Originally posted by Dieseler

I have always wondered how they do those cutaways so cleanly, does anyone know?

Here you go:

Water jet cutter - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

indy · 02-12-2015, 09:39 AM

Originally posted by Stavri

The Af module (Safox XI) looks like a direct transplant from the K3 which is a bit disappointing, I was hopping for a new module with better performance to bridge the gap from the big dogs. Here's to hoping for better coverage of those 27 points at least....

I have the same fears, but hope that this is a spec that will be updated by the time it hits the market. Imho xi was a fine step forward for the k3, and viable choice for the 645z, but it will be out-dated and struggle to compete with the AF capabilities of its competitors if applied to ff format and use. Improvement in this single area would have a massive impact the public perception / reception of the new camera. Good reviews sell Pentax and that is in all of our best interests.

**Stavri** · 02-12-2015, 10:01 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by indy

I have the same fears, but hope that this is a spec that will be updated by the time it hits the market. Imho xi was a fine step forward for the k3, and viable choice for the 645z, but it will be out-dated and struggle to compete with the AF capabilities of its competitors if applied to ff format and use. Improvement in this single area would have a massive impact the public perception / reception of the new camera. Good reviews sell Pentax and that is in all of our best interests.

When the K3 Safox XI was tested in the forum it had a keeper rate of 67% coupled with the Da* 60-250 as compared to the 96% on the Nikon D610 which used the 70-200mm f2.8. The D610 AF is said to be comparable to the D710 (not the best in the Nikon lineup) Adam should reexamine the AF performance of the K3 once he gets his hands on the new D-Fa* 70-200mm f2.8. I expect the Safox XI + 70-200mm f2.8 keeper rate to plateau at 80-85%. If this was the case, this still puts Pentax behind the competition by a considerable margin. Upgrading the image sensor over the K3 (and puting NFC, Wifi) should be reason enough for the upgrade. I hope that Ricoh/Pentax start investing more in R&D and shorten the cycles of their AF module updates in the future.

indy · 02-12-2015, 10:19 AM

Originally posted by Stavri

When the K3 Safox XI was tested in the forum it had a keeper rate of 67% coupled with the Da* 60-250 as compared to the 96% on the Nikon D610 which used the 70-200mm f2.8. The D610 AF is said to be comparable to the D710 (not the best in the Nikon lineup) Adam should reexamine the AF performance of the K3 once he gets his hands on the new D-Fa* 70-200mm f2.8. I expect the Safox XI + 70-200mm f2.8 keeper rate to plateau at 80-85%. If this was the case, this still puts Pentax behind the competition by a considerable margin. Upgrading the image sensor over the K3 (and puting NFC, Wifi) should be reason enough for the upgrade. I hope that Ricoh/Pentax start investing more in R&D and shorten the cycles of their AF module updates in the future.

Hopefully the 2 new Pentax long zooms are a round-about indicator that they will do a major re-work of the AF. Attaching what look to be spectacular new FF lenses to a body with 3 year old and underperforming AF would be a strange move by Ricoh.

mikeodial · 02-12-2015, 10:20 AM

Originally posted by derekkite

A K-3 and the mockup. Matched sizes based on the hot shoe.

Hopefully the price will be small too. We can hope!

bobmaxja · 02-12-2015, 10:46 AM

Price will not be small, that a dream.

Kunzite · 02-12-2015, 10:48 AM

I hope the price won't be small. I hope it will be just high enough for a quality product.

**Stavri** · 02-12-2015, 10:51 AM

Does anyone know what the new Pentax Da 18-50mm is made out of, plastic or metal? It looks a lot like a FA 43mm from the pictures. The price point of £229.99 makes me wonder.

Paul the Sunman · 02-12-2015, 11:03 AM

Originally posted by Stavri

When the K3 Safox XI was tested in the forum it had a keeper rate of 67% coupled with the Da* 60-250 as compared to the 96% on the Nikon D610 which used the 70-200mm f2.8.

Well, I guess that was a controlled experiment. However, in practice, I get far more than 67% in perfect focus with my K3. In fact, it's common for me to return from a shoot with a couple of hundred shots and none with bad focus, or maybe one or two where it was my fault in some way. I don't have the DA* 60-250; you can see my lens collection below. This is far better than the K5. I usually shoot with spot focus.

Is anyone really only getting 67% AF success with the K3?

**Cynog Ap Brychan** · 02-12-2015, 11:16 AM

Originally posted by Paul the Sunman

Is anyone really only getting 67% AF success with the K3?

I haven't counted, but my nippy granddaughter doesn't make it easy on my autofocus. That said, my ratio with the Nikon D810 (which has vg AF) isn't a great deal better.

rawr · 02-12-2015, 12:02 PM

Originally posted by Paul the Sunman

Is anyone really only getting 67% AF success with the K3?

AF test results are highly dependent on the subject, the camera AF settings, the lens, and the light. I've done some challenging sports shooting [night-time rodeo] with almost the same rig as the PentaxForums test - a D610 and a Nikon 70-200 f2.8 - and the keeper rate was certainly much less than 96%.

philbaum · 02-12-2015, 12:22 PM

Originally posted by rawr

AF test results are highly dependent on the subject, the camera AF settings, the lens, and the light. I've done some challenging sports shooting [night-time rodeo] with almost the same rig as the PentaxForums test - a D610 and a Nikon 70-200 f2.8 - and the keeper rate was certainly much less than 96%.

Thats been my experience as well. I'll take 400 rehearsal pics of actors and have over 95 percent be sharp. the main reason for not using pics is eyes closed, head turned the wrong way, etc. Love the K3 and K5 for that matter (except lo light on the K5)

My first buy was a K10 and a Tamron 18-250 and i had this naive view that SR was going to make all my pictures sharp. Then i slapped the combo on a tripod and realized that i was the resp. party for all of my fuzzy pics.

Use a shutter speed thats 2 to 5 times the FL and your pics will be nice and sharp. For a 250 FL, that would require a min. of 1/500s at 2XFL.

SR also needs a little bit to time to settle, so if one is snap-shooting pics - just turn off the dang SR and rely on shutter speed thumb rule.

If one is shooting humans, dogs or any moving subject. SR does not help the moving subject at all. 1/100 to 1/250 will help those people pics to be sharp.

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02-12-2015, 08:32 AM	#736
Stavri Site Supporter Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: at a Bean & Leaf Photos: Albums Posts: 1,815	More coverage in pics from the ricoh booth, some close ups of the two new lenses, accessories and more http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/news/20150212_688027.html

02-12-2015, 08:34 AM	#737
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Hah hah. We broke the internet again.

02-12-2015, 08:58 AM	#738
D1N0 Pentaxian Join Date: May 2012 Location: --- Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,489	It looks just about perfect except for the missing flash. Extra dedicated button on the left (af-mode raw/fx, and?) Where has the lv/movie button moved to?

02-12-2015, 09:03 AM	#739
lytrytyr Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2011 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 4,201	Originally posted by Dieseler I have always wondered how they do those cutaways so cleanly, does anyone know? Here you go: Water jet cutter - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

02-12-2015, 09:39 AM	#740
indy Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Indiana Photos: Gallery Posts: 274	Originally posted by Stavri The Af module (Safox XI) looks like a direct transplant from the K3 which is a bit disappointing, I was hopping for a new module with better performance to bridge the gap from the big dogs. Here's to hoping for better coverage of those 27 points at least.... I have the same fears, but hope that this is a spec that will be updated by the time it hits the market. Imho xi was a fine step forward for the k3, and viable choice for the 645z, but it will be out-dated and struggle to compete with the AF capabilities of its competitors if applied to ff format and use. Improvement in this single area would have a massive impact the public perception / reception of the new camera. Good reviews sell Pentax and that is in all of our best interests.

02-12-2015, 10:01 AM - 1 Like	#741
Stavri Site Supporter Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: at a Bean & Leaf Photos: Albums Posts: 1,815	Originally posted by indy I have the same fears, but hope that this is a spec that will be updated by the time it hits the market. Imho xi was a fine step forward for the k3, and viable choice for the 645z, but it will be out-dated and struggle to compete with the AF capabilities of its competitors if applied to ff format and use. Improvement in this single area would have a massive impact the public perception / reception of the new camera. Good reviews sell Pentax and that is in all of our best interests. When the K3 Safox XI was tested in the forum it had a keeper rate of 67% coupled with the Da* 60-250 as compared to the 96% on the Nikon D610 which used the 70-200mm f2.8. The D610 AF is said to be comparable to the D710 (not the best in the Nikon lineup) Adam should reexamine the AF performance of the K3 once he gets his hands on the new D-Fa* 70-200mm f2.8. I expect the Safox XI + 70-200mm f2.8 keeper rate to plateau at 80-85%. If this was the case, this still puts Pentax behind the competition by a considerable margin. Upgrading the image sensor over the K3 (and puting NFC, Wifi) should be reason enough for the upgrade. I hope that Ricoh/Pentax start investing more in R&D and shorten the cycles of their AF module updates in the future.

02-12-2015, 10:19 AM	#742
indy Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Indiana Photos: Gallery Posts: 274	Originally posted by Stavri When the K3 Safox XI was tested in the forum it had a keeper rate of 67% coupled with the Da* 60-250 as compared to the 96% on the Nikon D610 which used the 70-200mm f2.8. The D610 AF is said to be comparable to the D710 (not the best in the Nikon lineup) Adam should reexamine the AF performance of the K3 once he gets his hands on the new D-Fa* 70-200mm f2.8. I expect the Safox XI + 70-200mm f2.8 keeper rate to plateau at 80-85%. If this was the case, this still puts Pentax behind the competition by a considerable margin. Upgrading the image sensor over the K3 (and puting NFC, Wifi) should be reason enough for the upgrade. I hope that Ricoh/Pentax start investing more in R&D and shorten the cycles of their AF module updates in the future. Hopefully the 2 new Pentax long zooms are a round-about indicator that they will do a major re-work of the AF. Attaching what look to be spectacular new FF lenses to a body with 3 year old and underperforming AF would be a strange move by Ricoh.

02-12-2015, 10:20 AM	#743
mikeodial Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 370	Originally posted by derekkite A K-3 and the mockup. Matched sizes based on the hot shoe. Hopefully the price will be small too. We can hope!

02-12-2015, 10:46 AM	#744
bobmaxja Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Laval, Quebec Canada Posts: 2,167	Price will not be small, that a dream.

02-12-2015, 10:48 AM	#745
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 14,383	I hope the price won't be small. I hope it will be just high enough for a quality product.

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02-12-2015, 10:51 AM	#746
Stavri Site Supporter Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: at a Bean & Leaf Photos: Albums Posts: 1,815	Does anyone know what the new Pentax Da 18-50mm is made out of, plastic or metal? It looks a lot like a FA 43mm from the pictures. The price point of £229.99 makes me wonder.

02-12-2015, 11:03 AM	#747
Paul the Sunman Pentaxian Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Melbourne Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,542	Originally posted by Stavri When the K3 Safox XI was tested in the forum it had a keeper rate of 67% coupled with the Da* 60-250 as compared to the 96% on the Nikon D610 which used the 70-200mm f2.8. Well, I guess that was a controlled experiment. However, in practice, I get far more than 67% in perfect focus with my K3. In fact, it's common for me to return from a shoot with a couple of hundred shots and none with bad focus, or maybe one or two where it was my fault in some way. I don't have the DA* 60-250; you can see my lens collection below. This is far better than the K5. I usually shoot with spot focus. Is anyone really only getting 67% AF success with the K3?

02-12-2015, 11:16 AM	#748
Cynog Ap Brychan Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Gloucester Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,197	Originally posted by Paul the Sunman Is anyone really only getting 67% AF success with the K3? I haven't counted, but my nippy granddaughter doesn't make it easy on my autofocus. That said, my ratio with the Nikon D810 (which has vg AF) isn't a great deal better.

02-12-2015, 12:02 PM	#749
rawr Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,913	Originally posted by Paul the Sunman Is anyone really only getting 67% AF success with the K3? AF test results are highly dependent on the subject, the camera AF settings, the lens, and the light. I've done some challenging sports shooting [night-time rodeo] with almost the same rig as the PentaxForums test - a D610 and a Nikon 70-200 f2.8 - and the keeper rate was certainly much less than 96%.

02-12-2015, 12:22 PM	#750
philbaum Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Port Townsend, Washington State, USA Posts: 3,659	Originally posted by rawr AF test results are highly dependent on the subject, the camera AF settings, the lens, and the light. I've done some challenging sports shooting [night-time rodeo] with almost the same rig as the PentaxForums test - a D610 and a Nikon 70-200 f2.8 - and the keeper rate was certainly much less than 96%. Thats been my experience as well. I'll take 400 rehearsal pics of actors and have over 95 percent be sharp. the main reason for not using pics is eyes closed, head turned the wrong way, etc. Love the K3 and K5 for that matter (except lo light on the K5) My first buy was a K10 and a Tamron 18-250 and i had this naive view that SR was going to make all my pictures sharp. Then i slapped the combo on a tripod and realized that i was the resp. party for all of my fuzzy pics. Use a shutter speed thats 2 to 5 times the FL and your pics will be nice and sharp. For a 250 FL, that would require a min. of 1/500s at 2XFL. SR also needs a little bit to time to settle, so if one is snap-shooting pics - just turn off the dang SR and rely on shutter speed thumb rule. If one is shooting humans, dogs or any moving subject. SR does not help the moving subject at all. 1/100 to 1/250 will help those people pics to be sharp.