FF GR is very much possible.

eyeswideshut · 01-20-2015, 07:06 AM

Originally posted by K David

Let me clarify. In my experience dealing with secrets, they're limited to a known pool of people so that if they're leaked without permission there's a small pool of people to investigate. It doesn't matter if YOU protect your sources if the source can be traced backward from within. All I'm saying is that sharing a "secret" your "source" shared with you, if true, is grossly irresponsible and not something a good friend should do. Unless, of course, your source told you to leak it.

Don't worry, once something like this reaches the marketing people it 's a foregone conclusion that the beans will be spillt.

Anyway it would be so supremely Pentax - like to release a FF GR. Just think,

we wait with bated breath and out comes the K01
we wait with bated breath and out comes the Q
we wait with bated breath and out comes the KS1
we wait with bated breath and out comes FULL FORMAT 35mm goodness!

In the guise of the GR :-(

**luftfluss** · 01-20-2015, 07:14 AM

Originally posted by i83N

no SR in small body, just look at sony A7II, it twice bigger than it’s predecessor

The Sony A7II is about 25% larger/heavier than its predecessor, and the main reasons are a larger grip and more robust build.

D1N0 · 01-20-2015, 07:34 AM

Originally posted by luftfluss

The Sony A7II is about 25% larger/heavier than its predecessor, and the main reasons are a larger grip and more robust build.

IBIS is the main reason i'd think

filoxophy · 01-20-2015, 08:04 AM

Originally posted by i83N

but in the interview before they said that they were considering zoom GR, so that proves that new 18-50 lens is from GR R&D...

---------- Post added 01-20-15 at 01:32 ----------

nothing was said in details, it’s a rumor even between employees, no one can connect me to that person

What on earth does a K mount zoom have to do with a GR zoom? ... (Other than that they are both lenses and they both zoom?) R&D-wise, I see no connection.

i83N · 01-20-2015, 08:22 AM

Originally posted by filoxophy

What on earth does a K mount zoom have to do with a GR zoom? ... (Other than that they are both lenses and they both zoom?) R&D-wise, I see no connection.

it’s really simple, GR uses collapsible lens, new pentax kit(?) is collapsible too..

D1N0 · 01-20-2015, 08:32 AM

Originally posted by i83N

it’s really simple, GR uses collapsible lens, new pentax kit(?) is collapsible too..

The GR has a different registry distance and it doesn't need to have the dc motor in the lens. Totally different design.

Zygonyx · 01-20-2015, 01:17 PM

+1
No need to have MANUAL colapsing lens with compacts, even full frame.

**luftfluss** · 01-20-2015, 04:18 PM

Originally posted by D1N0

IBIS is the main reason i'd think

At least half of the increased depth - the linear dimension in which the 2 cameras mostly differ - is due to the increased size of the grip. The thickness of the new body is influenced by both IBIS (I assume) and more rugged materials (according to Sony) used for the construction... and perhaps also the new control layout. Notice that the width of the body is identical and the height differs by only 1.3 mm

Kharan · 01-20-2015, 07:06 PM

Ricoh GR body + Sony 35mm sensor + collapsible Pentax 40mm 2.8 = pure win

If they could price it at USD ~1000, I think it would seriously undercut the RX1 and become a success. A lighter and cheaper FF fixed-lens cam, with a good interface and controls, is something that the market still lacks.

It would be even better if they launched it with an accessory viewfinder that included a flash with some tilt capability and an integrated white card, with a GN of 17 maybe, and a cost of 300 bucks. One can always dream

filoxophy · 01-20-2015, 10:28 PM

Originally posted by Kharan

Ricoh GR body + Sony 35mm sensor + collapsible Pentax 40mm 2.8 = pure win

If they could price it at USD ~1000, I think it would seriously undercut the RX1 and become a success. A lighter and cheaper FF fixed-lens cam, with a good interface and controls, is something that the market still lacks.

It would be even better if they launched it with an accessory viewfinder that included a flash with some tilt capability and an integrated white card, with a GN of 17 maybe, and a cost of 300 bucks. One can always dream

Agreed, at least with the first two paragraphs!

If the GR is defined as 28mm-e fixed lens, then...well, it is what it is.

But I would definitely support a Sigma DP rival--a "GR" at multiple focal lengths, APS-C or FF. A zoom would be trickier...I can't get into non-manual zooms. Just MHO

Hey, the Ricoh GR line went from 135 film to 1/1.7" digital, to APS-C--it cant make another transition!

Timko · 01-20-2015, 10:45 PM

Originally posted by Kharan

Ricoh GR body + Sony 35mm sensor + collapsible Pentax 40mm 2.8 = pure win

Why collapsible 40? Pentax has 40 2.8 XS

SGOMMO7 · 01-20-2015, 11:39 PM

No, no, what we need is a collapsible 40mm F2.8 XS Lens!
I think we can all agree that a lens with a profile of 0.36 inches and a massive weight of 1.8 oz is just too cumbersome.

I for one am a firm believer that lenses should not protrude away from the camera at all but rather to see the front element of our lenses we should be looking into our cameras.

filoxophy · 01-20-2015, 11:50 PM

Originally posted by SGOMMO7

No, no, what we need is a collapsible 40mm F2.8 XS Lens!
I think we can all agree that a lens with a profile of 0.36 inches and a massive weight of 1.8 oz is just too cumbersome.

I for one am a firm believer that lenses should not protrude away from the camera at all but rather to see the front element of our lenses we should be looking into our cameras.

I mean, hey, if they can create a retractable 40mm-e f/2.8 GR, I'm all for it. How about FF 28/43/77 GRs? I know a non-28mm-e GR is not a GR at all. Okay, call it whatever you want. What I'm saying is, I want a Sigma DP competitor!

**beachgardener** · 01-21-2015, 12:11 AM

GR FF 35 or 28mm f2 or f1.4 lens, hotshoe viewfinder, nice one

thibs · 01-21-2015, 12:27 AM

A GR-W for WWA and GR-T for small tele would be welcome IMO. GR normal too btw.

01-20-2015, 04:18 PM	#68
luftfluss Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: NJ Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 10,676	Originally posted by D1N0 IBIS is the main reason i'd think At least half of the increased depth - the linear dimension in which the 2 cameras mostly differ - is due to the increased size of the grip. The thickness of the new body is influenced by both IBIS (I assume) and more rugged materials (according to Sony) used for the construction... and perhaps also the new control layout. Notice that the width of the body is identical and the height differs by only 1.3 mm Last edited by luftfluss; 06-08-2016 at 08:23 AM.

01-20-2015, 07:06 PM	#69
Kharan Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 74	This has a lot of potential Ricoh GR body + Sony 35mm sensor + collapsible Pentax 40mm 2.8 = pure win If they could price it at USD ~1000, I think it would seriously undercut the RX1 and become a success. A lighter and cheaper FF fixed-lens cam, with a good interface and controls, is something that the market still lacks. It would be even better if they launched it with an accessory viewfinder that included a flash with some tilt capability and an integrated white card, with a GN of 17 maybe, and a cost of 300 bucks. One can always dream

01-20-2015, 11:39 PM	#72
SGOMMO7 Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 83	No, no, what we need is a collapsible 40mm F2.8 XS Lens! I think we can all agree that a lens with a profile of 0.36 inches and a massive weight of 1.8 oz is just too cumbersome. I for one am a firm believer that lenses should not protrude away from the camera at all but rather to see the front element of our lenses we should be looking into our cameras. Attached Images

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01-20-2015, 07:06 AM	#61
eyeswideshut Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Hamburg Posts: 287	Originally posted by K David Let me clarify. In my experience dealing with secrets, they're limited to a known pool of people so that if they're leaked without permission there's a small pool of people to investigate. It doesn't matter if YOU protect your sources if the source can be traced backward from within. All I'm saying is that sharing a "secret" your "source" shared with you, if true, is grossly irresponsible and not something a good friend should do. Unless, of course, your source told you to leak it. Don't worry, once something like this reaches the marketing people it 's a foregone conclusion that the beans will be spillt. Anyway it would be so supremely Pentax - like to release a FF GR. Just think, we wait with bated breath and out comes the K01 we wait with bated breath and out comes the Q we wait with bated breath and out comes the KS1 we wait with bated breath and out comes FULL FORMAT 35mm goodness! In the guise of the GR :-(

01-20-2015, 07:14 AM	#62
luftfluss Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: NJ Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 10,676	Originally posted by i83N no SR in small body, just look at sony A7II, it twice bigger than it’s predecessor The Sony A7II is about 25% larger/heavier than its predecessor, and the main reasons are a larger grip and more robust build.

01-20-2015, 07:34 AM	#63
D1N0 Pentaxian Join Date: May 2012 Location: --- Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,763	Originally posted by luftfluss The Sony A7II is about 25% larger/heavier than its predecessor, and the main reasons are a larger grip and more robust build. IBIS is the main reason i'd think

01-20-2015, 08:04 AM	#64
filoxophy Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Albuquerque Posts: 1,126	Originally posted by i83N but in the interview before they said that they were considering zoom GR, so that proves that new 18-50 lens is from GR R&D... ---------- Post added 01-20-15 at 01:32 ---------- nothing was said in details, it’s a rumor even between employees, no one can connect me to that person What on earth does a K mount zoom have to do with a GR zoom? ... (Other than that they are both lenses and they both zoom?) R&D-wise, I see no connection.

01-20-2015, 08:22 AM	#65
i83N Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Lithuania Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,203 Original Poster	Originally posted by filoxophy What on earth does a K mount zoom have to do with a GR zoom? ... (Other than that they are both lenses and they both zoom?) R&D-wise, I see no connection. it’s really simple, GR uses collapsible lens, new pentax kit(?) is collapsible too..

01-20-2015, 08:32 AM	#66
D1N0 Pentaxian Join Date: May 2012 Location: --- Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,763	Originally posted by i83N it’s really simple, GR uses collapsible lens, new pentax kit(?) is collapsible too.. The GR has a different registry distance and it doesn't need to have the dc motor in the lens. Totally different design.

01-20-2015, 01:17 PM	#67
Zygonyx Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Ile de France Posts: 4,004	+1 No need to have MANUAL colapsing lens with compacts, even full frame.

01-20-2015, 10:28 PM	#70
filoxophy Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Albuquerque Posts: 1,126	Originally posted by Kharan Ricoh GR body + Sony 35mm sensor + collapsible Pentax 40mm 2.8 = pure win If they could price it at USD ~1000, I think it would seriously undercut the RX1 and become a success. A lighter and cheaper FF fixed-lens cam, with a good interface and controls, is something that the market still lacks. It would be even better if they launched it with an accessory viewfinder that included a flash with some tilt capability and an integrated white card, with a GN of 17 maybe, and a cost of 300 bucks. One can always dream Agreed, at least with the first two paragraphs! If the GR is defined as 28mm-e fixed lens, then...well, it is what it is. But I would definitely support a Sigma DP rival--a "GR" at multiple focal lengths, APS-C or FF. A zoom would be trickier...I can't get into non-manual zooms. Just MHO Hey, the Ricoh GR line went from 135 film to 1/1.7" digital, to APS-C--it cant make another transition!

01-20-2015, 10:45 PM	#71
Timko Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Swidnica, Poland Posts: 27	Originally posted by Kharan Ricoh GR body + Sony 35mm sensor + collapsible Pentax 40mm 2.8 = pure win Why collapsible 40? Pentax has 40 2.8 XS

01-20-2015, 11:50 PM	#73
filoxophy Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Albuquerque Posts: 1,126	Originally posted by SGOMMO7 No, no, what we need is a collapsible 40mm F2.8 XS Lens! I think we can all agree that a lens with a profile of 0.36 inches and a massive weight of 1.8 oz is just too cumbersome. I for one am a firm believer that lenses should not protrude away from the camera at all but rather to see the front element of our lenses we should be looking into our cameras. I mean, hey, if they can create a retractable 40mm-e f/2.8 GR, I'm all for it. How about FF 28/43/77 GRs? I know a non-28mm-e GR is not a GR at all. Okay, call it whatever you want. What I'm saying is, I want a Sigma DP competitor!

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01-21-2015, 12:11 AM	#74
beachgardener Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,841	GR FF 35 or 28mm f2 or f1.4 lens, hotshoe viewfinder, nice one

01-21-2015, 12:27 AM	#75
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 6,947	A GR-W for WWA and GR-T for small tele would be welcome IMO. GR normal too btw.