FF GR is very much possible.

i83N · 01-19-2015, 04:28 PM

Originally posted by ogl

Ricoh said in the last interview - no GR with zoom...

but in the interview before they said that they were considering zoom GR, so that proves that new 18-50 lens is from GR R&D...

---------- Post added 01-20-15 at 01:32 ----------

Originally posted by K David

Let me clarify. In my experience dealing with secrets, they're limited to a known pool of people so that if they're leaked without permission there's a small pool of people to investigate. It doesn't matter if YOU protect your sources if the source can be traced backward from within. All I'm saying is that sharing a "secret" your "source" shared with you, if true, is grossly irresponsible and not something a good friend should do. Unless, of course, your source told you to leak it.

nothing was said in details, it’s a rumor even between employees, no one can connect me to that person

romeck · 01-19-2015, 04:36 PM

Originally posted by interested_observer

Ricoh/Pentax has a marketing organization? I thought that was left to Adam and the Forum!

drypenn · 01-19-2015, 07:20 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by interested_observer

Ricoh/Pentax has a marketing organization? I thought that was left to Adam ~~and the Forum!~~

There, corrected it!

Some parts of the forum endlessly bickers against Pentax/Ricoh, and incessantly insists on Pentax producing exact replicas of Sony products.

bobmaxja · 01-19-2015, 07:26 PM

Remeber this camera could be very centric to Japaneses customer who like novelty.

mannyquinto · 01-19-2015, 09:47 PM

If it is going to be FF, then it might be a bit bigger and I think it would be a 28mm or 40mm prime. It would not be hard for them to just slap in the same sensor as the K3 and make it a zoom either. Price range would probably be around 1.3 to 1.6K for the FF though.

Zav · 01-20-2015, 02:36 AM

Originally posted by cali92rs

A FF GR would be cool...but let's not forget what the GR is: A camera that is supposed to be able to fit in your pocket and go anywhere.
The RX1 is not at all a pocketable camera. Sure you can make the lens slower to keep the size down, but then you are limiting it's utility and making it a good light camera as opposed to a go-anywhere camera.

Exactly, I don't really care about the size of the sensor in the GR as long as it fits in my pocket and the result of the couple lens-sensor is fantastic.

RonHendriks1966 · 01-20-2015, 02:39 AM

Originally posted by beachgardener

It might be the camera to put in your pocket at times when it is not appropriate to have all the gear with you.

For me not over 500 euro then. For others it maybe can be more expensive.

ogl · 01-20-2015, 03:26 AM

Originally posted by cali92rs

A FF GR would be cool...but let's not forget what the GR is: A camera that is supposed to be able to fit in your pocket and go anywhere.
The RX1 is not at all a pocketable camera. .

If Ricoh could produce small fixed lens like 40 XS and the compact body like RX1....It could be real to be pocketable.

---------- Post added 01-20-2015 at 03:27 AM ----------

Originally posted by thibs

Did I talk about GXR?

GX is small compact? Really? Thought it was a dslr... What is a GR then if not a small compact?

GX is small compact with SMALL sensor.

---------- Post added 01-20-2015 at 03:29 AM ----------

GR is compact camera with APS-C sensor now.

mannyquinto · 01-20-2015, 03:37 AM

The probability of a FF GR is very high - I think. Question is,would it show up this year?

DanGleabols · 01-20-2015, 03:56 AM

Originally posted by JPT

Interesting if true, but I wonder if they could keep the cost and size down to acceptable levels. If the GR no longer fits in your pocket, it loses a lot of its appeal. I personally think that there are a lot of other useful things they could do to improve the GR, such as reintroduce SR, reintroduce PDAF, add WR to keep the dust off that sensor, improve battery life, even give it dual card slots for photojournalists who can't afford to lose a shot. There's no denying that FF is a huge selling point at the moment, but the GR is about catching the moment, not ultimate image quality.

Man! Pretty exactly what I was thinking! Keeping the size down and squeezing in SR, WR and hybrid focusing, that would make an awsome camera!

But, I guess from a marketing view, a FF compact would make a bigger impact.

i83N · 01-20-2015, 04:10 AM

Originally posted by DanGleabols

Man! Pretty exactly what I was thinking! Keeping the size down and squeezing in SR, WR and hybrid focusing, that would make an awsome camera!

But, I guess from a marketing view, a FF compact would make a bigger impact.

no SR in small body, just look at sony A7II, it twice bigger than it’s predecessor

thibs · 01-20-2015, 04:38 AM

Originally posted by ogl

If Ricoh could produce small fixed lens like 40 XS and the compact body like RX1....It could be real to be pocketable.

---------- Post added 01-20-2015 at 03:27 AM ----------

GX is small compact with SMALL sensor.

---------- Post added 01-20-2015 at 03:29 AM ----------

GR is compact camera with APS-C sensor now.

Soo? Gx has only been digital AFAIK and it had the same sensor size as the GRs of that time.
So think more than two seconds and try to find something real.

ogl · 01-20-2015, 04:46 AM

Originally posted by thibs

Soo? Gx has only been digital AFAIK and it had the same sensor size as the GRs of that time.
So think more than two seconds and try to find something real.

I don't understand what you mean.
You said that GX was DSLR.

GX is small camera with small sensor. GR was film camera, digital compact camera with small sensor and camera with APS-C sensor.
The standart for new GR is APS-C sensor now.

To make FF GX is unreal if we talk about camera size. What is the main idea of your words?

mecrox · 01-20-2015, 04:57 AM - **1 Like**

GR is a small camera in a classic line of cameras with 28mm and snap focus, all key selling points for street/urban, esp. snap focus. FF with longer lens might be far off this so problematic. Nothing to stop Ricoh updating the classic GR in this tradition but extending the brand with an additional, slightly different model. They did zoom-lens travel compacts in the recent past, nb. Just thoughts.

thibs · 01-20-2015, 06:53 AM

Originally posted by ogl

I don't understand what you mean.
You said that GX was DSLR.

Geeez, that was irony, Ogl.
Of course Ricoh GX was small compact cam, so was the GR at that time, so what?

01-20-2015, 04:46 AM	#58
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Originally posted by thibs Soo? Gx has only been digital AFAIK and it had the same sensor size as the GRs of that time. So think more than two seconds and try to find something real. I don't understand what you mean. You said that GX was DSLR. GX is small camera with small sensor. GR was film camera, digital compact camera with small sensor and camera with APS-C sensor. The standart for new GR is APS-C sensor now. To make FF GX is unreal if we talk about camera size. What is the main idea of your words? Last edited by ogl; 01-20-2015 at 04:58 AM.

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01-19-2015, 04:28 PM	#46
i83N Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Lithuania Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,203 Original Poster	Originally posted by ogl Ricoh said in the last interview - no GR with zoom... but in the interview before they said that they were considering zoom GR, so that proves that new 18-50 lens is from GR R&D... ---------- Post added 01-20-15 at 01:32 ---------- Originally posted by K David Let me clarify. In my experience dealing with secrets, they're limited to a known pool of people so that if they're leaked without permission there's a small pool of people to investigate. It doesn't matter if YOU protect your sources if the source can be traced backward from within. All I'm saying is that sharing a "secret" your "source" shared with you, if true, is grossly irresponsible and not something a good friend should do. Unless, of course, your source told you to leak it. nothing was said in details, it’s a rumor even between employees, no one can connect me to that person

01-19-2015, 04:36 PM	#47
romeck Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Piekary Śląskie Photos: Albums Posts: 155	Originally posted by interested_observer Ricoh/Pentax has a marketing organization? I thought that was left to Adam and the Forum!

01-19-2015, 07:20 PM - 1 Like	#48
drypenn Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Photos: Albums Posts: 963	Originally posted by interested_observer Ricoh/Pentax has a marketing organization? I thought that was left to Adam ~~and the Forum!~~ There, corrected it! Some parts of the forum endlessly bickers against Pentax/Ricoh, and incessantly insists on Pentax producing exact replicas of Sony products.

01-19-2015, 07:26 PM	#49
bobmaxja Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Laval, Quebec Canada Posts: 2,171	Remeber this camera could be very centric to Japaneses customer who like novelty.

01-19-2015, 09:47 PM	#50
mannyquinto Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: manila Posts: 152	If it is going to be FF, then it might be a bit bigger and I think it would be a 28mm or 40mm prime. It would not be hard for them to just slap in the same sensor as the K3 and make it a zoom either. Price range would probably be around 1.3 to 1.6K for the FF though.

01-20-2015, 02:36 AM	#51
Zav Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,371	Originally posted by cali92rs A FF GR would be cool...but let's not forget what the GR is: A camera that is supposed to be able to fit in your pocket and go anywhere. The RX1 is not at all a pocketable camera. Sure you can make the lens slower to keep the size down, but then you are limiting it's utility and making it a good light camera as opposed to a go-anywhere camera. Exactly, I don't really care about the size of the sensor in the GR as long as it fits in my pocket and the result of the couple lens-sensor is fantastic.

01-20-2015, 02:39 AM	#52
RonHendriks1966 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,675	Originally posted by beachgardener It might be the camera to put in your pocket at times when it is not appropriate to have all the gear with you. For me not over 500 euro then. For others it maybe can be more expensive.

01-20-2015, 03:26 AM	#53
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Originally posted by cali92rs A FF GR would be cool...but let's not forget what the GR is: A camera that is supposed to be able to fit in your pocket and go anywhere. The RX1 is not at all a pocketable camera. . If Ricoh could produce small fixed lens like 40 XS and the compact body like RX1....It could be real to be pocketable. ---------- Post added 01-20-2015 at 03:27 AM ---------- Originally posted by thibs Did I talk about GXR? GX is small compact? Really? Thought it was a dslr... What is a GR then if not a small compact? GX is small compact with SMALL sensor. ---------- Post added 01-20-2015 at 03:29 AM ---------- GR is compact camera with APS-C sensor now.

01-20-2015, 03:37 AM	#54
mannyquinto Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: manila Posts: 152	The probability of a FF GR is very high - I think. Question is,would it show up this year?

01-20-2015, 03:56 AM	#55
DanGleabols Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Halifax, UK Posts: 120	Originally posted by JPT Interesting if true, but I wonder if they could keep the cost and size down to acceptable levels. If the GR no longer fits in your pocket, it loses a lot of its appeal. I personally think that there are a lot of other useful things they could do to improve the GR, such as reintroduce SR, reintroduce PDAF, add WR to keep the dust off that sensor, improve battery life, even give it dual card slots for photojournalists who can't afford to lose a shot. There's no denying that FF is a huge selling point at the moment, but the GR is about catching the moment, not ultimate image quality. Man! Pretty exactly what I was thinking! Keeping the size down and squeezing in SR, WR and hybrid focusing, that would make an awsome camera! But, I guess from a marketing view, a FF compact would make a bigger impact.

01-20-2015, 04:10 AM	#56
i83N Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Lithuania Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,203 Original Poster	Originally posted by DanGleabols Man! Pretty exactly what I was thinking! Keeping the size down and squeezing in SR, WR and hybrid focusing, that would make an awsome camera! But, I guess from a marketing view, a FF compact would make a bigger impact. no SR in small body, just look at sony A7II, it twice bigger than it’s predecessor

01-20-2015, 04:38 AM	#57
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Originally posted by ogl If Ricoh could produce small fixed lens like 40 XS and the compact body like RX1....It could be real to be pocketable. ---------- Post added 01-20-2015 at 03:27 AM ---------- GX is small compact with SMALL sensor. ---------- Post added 01-20-2015 at 03:29 AM ---------- GR is compact camera with APS-C sensor now. Soo? Gx has only been digital AFAIK and it had the same sensor size as the GRs of that time. So think more than two seconds and try to find something real.

01-20-2015, 04:57 AM - 1 Like	#59
mecrox Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Oxford, UK Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,375	GR is a small camera in a classic line of cameras with 28mm and snap focus, all key selling points for street/urban, esp. snap focus. FF with longer lens might be far off this so problematic. Nothing to stop Ricoh updating the classic GR in this tradition but extending the brand with an additional, slightly different model. They did zoom-lens travel compacts in the recent past, nb. Just thoughts.

01-20-2015, 06:53 AM	#60
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Originally posted by ogl I don't understand what you mean. You said that GX was DSLR. Geeez, that was irony, Ogl. Of course Ricoh GX was small compact cam, so was the GR at that time, so what?