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05-30-2008, 08:44 PM   #46
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[QUOTE=ogl;254513]I have information that new low-end model Pentax K2000D (?) will be launched close to Photokina.

Any forecast? About size of body and sensor?[/QUOTE

My eye's (and mind) are open and waiting

Cheers and have a great weekend

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I think there's a difference between what people on this forum need or desire, and what Pentax need (a bigger market share via an intro model).
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QuoteOriginally posted by lbam Quote
I think there's a difference between what people on this forum need or desire, and what Pentax need (a bigger market share via an intro model).
Maybe Pentax should get on the SUPER ZOOM (18x +) non-interchangable lens bandwagon like Fuji (s8000/8100) and Olympus (UZ-570) but allow those lenses to use filters unlike their counterparts. I see that even Nikon has jumped on board with that segmant of the photographic consumer. They all have the same problem, high noise at low ISOs. If Pentax can solve that, I would even think of it being a second camera for me.
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QuoteOriginally posted by shutterpuppy Quote
Maybe Pentax should get on the SUPER ZOOM (18x +) non-interchangable lens bandwagon like Fuji (s8000/8100) and Olympus (UZ-570) but allow those lenses to use filters unlike their counterparts. I see that even Nikon has jumped on board with that segmant of the photographic consumer. They all have the same problem, high noise at low ISOs. If Pentax can solve that, I would even think of it being a second camera for me.
High nopise because those cameras work and handle mostly like a SLRs but use cheap P&S sensor. Such a beast with th Sigma DP1 idea would be ideal but... why having an non-SLR the size of an SLR, heh ?

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I think the appeal of the DSLR-like prosumer p&s cameras are for those who want a lot of the features (manual control) of the DSLR wrapped up with a superzoom in one neat little package. You don't have to keep up with any lenses. Of course you can do something similar with the K200 and DA18-250, but it would most likely be more expensive than the all-in-one package. The ZLRs tend to be a bit smaller, as well.

I had a Fuji s602z a couple of years ago that I took to San Francisco on vacation and I was able to produce some amazing shots with it. On it, I was able to use filters, but I had to buy a separate lens adapter tube, which I screwed directly onto the camera itself, while screwing the filters onto the other end. Even though it added some bulk to my camera, I kept it and a UV filter on the camera all the time, as there was no other way to protect the lens, other than using the lens cap that came with the camera.

Since the Fuji was the only ZLR I've ever had, I haven't kept track to see if other manufacturers have a similar setup for using filters or have incorporated filter threads into the lenses themselves since I got rid of the Fuji.

Regardless, if the sensor were just as good as what you can get with a DSLR, I might be open to something like this from Pentax if it was smaller than the K100/200 and had a way to use filters with it.

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lol, I didnt know that until now, thx ^.^ The idea of a poor man's M8 is attractive, couple it with the 40mm Limited and Im sold
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Let us not forget that it should feature the full KAF2 mount!
that would make it the perfect Pentax SLR xD
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Pentax's Model Number System..HUH?

Is it just me but it seems the entry-level would be called the K20,then the K200 and now Pentax announces an every more entry level called the k2000? Seems like the more zeros would mean more advanced or I'm I missing something here? ...and I thought Fuji's new models were confusing s100fs s100fd etc ...sheesh, my head is spinning.:

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Why is this thread still alive?

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QuoteOriginally posted by shutterpuppy Quote
Is it just me but it seems the entry-level would be called the K20,then the K200 and now Pentax announces an every more entry level called the k2000? Seems like the more zeros would mean more advanced or I'm I missing something here? ...and I thought Fuji's new models were confusing s100fs s100fd etc ...sheesh, my head is spinning.:

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Pentax (as Canon, Nikon) usually uses the opposite convention: more Zeros is lower end.
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QuoteOriginally posted by shutterpuppy Quote
Is it just me but it seems the entry-level would be called the K20,then the K200 and now Pentax announces an every more entry level called the k2000? Seems like the more zeros would mean more advanced or I'm I missing something here? ...and I thought Fuji's new models were confusing s100fs s100fd etc ...sheesh, my head is spinning.:

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Actually, the name giving is quite straight forward (and applies to almost all manufacturers of DSLR's):

You have a X series (like EOS 1D, D2, etc) which is the pro model, then you have the XX series (EOS 40D, D80, K20) which are enthousiastics cameras and then you have the XXX series (K100D super), which would be entry level.
In between a series: the higher the number the newer and/or more advanced it is (eg K200D should be better than the K100D or EOS 450 >> EOS 350 - up to you if you buy that
Only Nikon makes that convention a little akward: they have a X series (pro level) and then XX series (entry level), but more or less still respects it: Nikon D100 is a higher model than the D70 (because 100 is higher than 70.) The XXX series then is what they give to camera's that are not completely pro, but surely not entry level either (eg D200 and D300.)

Hope this helps...

So yes, the camera that is more entry level than the K200 should be called K2000...
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QuoteOriginally posted by TourDeForce Quote
Why is this thread still alive?
It was a speculation post, that has morphed into an I want thread...

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QuoteOriginally posted by rparmar Quote
My suggestion would be easier.

A dial for each of the three primary photo parameters so they can be seen and set even when the camera is off. Perfect affordance. No dials that do multiple things for such important functions. No need to set a parameter in one place and read it in another. An Auto setting on each that gives control over to the camera. No need for special modes.

The perfect interface that in some ways borrows from the ultimate in film bodies.
I learned photography with an MX, and I'd argue that the old way of setting exposure parameters is not as efficient. You don't know what aperture you have set (unless you have a high end body with a window for the aperture ring), and the shutter/iso dials are hard to change while looking through the viewfinder.

The best solution, imo, is the hyper program/manual mode in the istD, and Kx0. Use the rear wheel only, you're in Av; use the front wheel only, you're in Tv; press green button, you're in program. Control ISO by using a wheel + OK.
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QuoteOriginally posted by jslifoaw Quote
I learned photography with an MX, and I'd argue that the old way of setting exposure parameters is not as efficient. You don't know what aperture you have set (unless you have a high end body with a window for the aperture ring), and the shutter/iso dials are hard to change while looking through the viewfinder.
Of course the readouts could also be in the viewfinder as they are now. Best of both worlds.
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QuoteOriginally posted by NickC Quote
Talking to my local camera shop manager today they said there's definitely a need for a lower end model than the K200D, retailing at about 299. They'd also like to see a limited body but hadn't heard anything.

They're now a Pentax Pro Centre so are required to carry a wide range of lenses - great news!

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Judging by GBP sign, you're in UK. right?
whereabout is that store you are talking about, and do they have web page?
Many thanx...
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Judging by GBP sign, you're in UK. right?
whereabout is that store you are talking about, and do they have web page?
Many thanx...
It's called Bywaters and is in Waltham Cross, Hertfordshire just north of London (actually virtually a part of Greater London). Their website is Digital Camera Exchange - Your part exchange specialists!

I've shopped there for years, and they support our club (Edmonton Camera Club) too. It's a family run business and they will price match most prices where they can.

Cheers

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