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02-03-2015, 06:01 AM   #16
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Pentax as a rule, going by the past introduce a standard zoom with the new body, IE SFX1/N F 28-80 F3.5-F3.5 then MZ5/ZX5 FA 20-70 F4 then MZS FA 28-105 F3.2-4.5 and FA 24-90 F3.5-F4.5, so going by past experience the Telephoto will be first and the Standard will follow with the Body.

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QuoteOriginally posted by discharged Quote
So, lets talk cash.

That lens would be $2500-3000 and a streetprice of $2700 or so, based on Canon, nikon etc..
The coming house would probably be another $2000-3000 - atleast my guess, I don't think we will se a budget model that would cut too deep into the APS-C market nor a pro model that might cut into the 645z market, So something in between, maybe with a 36MP sensor. But in the end I can just guess since I do not have any specs.
Finally, a full frame with just a 70-200 would be useless, so we could expect a 24-70 or similar aswell at ~$2000 again based on Canon, Nikon etc.


There are just a few of the old FA* zoom lenses for sale at the moment.

As I see it there are a few possible outcomes,

1. the new lenses kick the old lenses back to the stoneage, and we will see more of the old being sold, this would then cause a price drop on the old lenses.
2. The new lenses are not optically supreme, and people with the old lenses keep them. The ones for sale will be more expensive in the future.
3. the new lenses are a little better, some people will change, some people will keep. Prices will remain about the same.
4. the new full frame camera will not have built in SR (look at the old mockup pictures of the lens, there are three switches, it might indicate that the shake reduction is in the lens instead) This will ofc cause a price drop on the old lenses since people normally want SR.
It is possible that SR will be in the lens not the body and if so I will weep ..... but if this is the case then there would be many who will be aggravated. I am not sure Pentax need/want to alienate legacy lenses in such a drastic way.

I favour possibility (2). My recent photographs using the FA* 80-200/2.8 on the K3 are fantastically sharp and colourful in low light conditions. Kicking that lens back into the stoneage would be the same as saying kicking Pentax into extreme pro-land without peer. If you have experienced the FA* 80-200/2.8 then you would know what I mean.
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The 70-200 has more appeal for APS-C users than a 24-70 would. Plenty of APS-C users buy 70-200 lenses from Sigma and Tamron. So I think it makes sense that if any lens precedes the FF camera, it's this one.
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I'd replace my Tamron 70-200 with a DA*70-200 if I can afford it. Would be a nice lens to go with my 20-40 in bad weather conditions.

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I'm waiting to see where the price falls to after the initial launch, so I'm not even going to get excited until 6 months after it's released.

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For the 24-70 range if this FF comes to fruition, doesn't Tamron and Sigma make something in this range that is FF compatible and in Pentax mount?
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QuoteOriginally posted by Wild Mark Quote
It is possible that SR will be in the lens not the body and if so I will weep ..... but if this is the case then there would be many who will be aggravated. I am not sure Pentax need/want to alienate legacy lenses in such a drastic way.
Of course they want to: not taking anything back (like compatibility) but giving enough reasons for most of us to upgrade to new ones.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Gimbal Quote
If it turns out to be affordable I will be slightly irritated, as I just ordered the Tamron 70-200. But I don't think I have to worry.
A new star lens will not even come close to the $769 that the Tamron can be had for on sale (nor the $869 that is more common). It is probably going to have better IQ but typically a brand new lens like this will be $2k+- for MSRP.

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The new premium Pentax lenses will be EXPENSIVE. No matter what you think you're willing to pay.
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QuoteOriginally posted by thibs Quote
Of course they want to: not taking anything back (like compatibility) but giving enough reasons for most of us to upgrade to new ones.

Yeah I am on the same page as you here, it is plausible that we will have SR in the optics instead of the body.

No SR:

We know from earlier leaks that SR has been a concern for the full-frame. might be that Ricoh decided to not try to solve it but do as all the other manufacturers.

There has been rumors that K, M, A, F, FA lenses would not support SR since they wont be able to fill the sensor when it moves. Probably causing weird vingetting or something similar.

There is that third switch that I mentioned earlier.

SR:

Sony has obviously solved it with a full frame.

Pentax has "always" had it.
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Weather Sealing and better coatings!

---------- Post added 02-03-15 at 08:53 AM ----------

And if there is a FF body, highly likely now, I think TAv mode will be even more useful... the lower noise floor at higher ISO should make that ideal.
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For the 24-70 range if this FF comes to fruition, doesn't Tamron and Sigma make something in this range that is FF compatible and in Pentax mount?
We already have old screw-drive Tamron 28-75, HSM Sigma 24-70 but both without build-in SR. I hope that the FF body will have that mechanism.
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QuoteOriginally posted by discharged Quote
Yeah I am on the same page as you here, it is plausible that we will have SR in the optics instead of the body.
My take:

SR will be effective for FL under 135mm (or some number) but at longer FL has some noticeable negative effect (vignetting or whatever).

Possible Solutions:
  1. VERY SLIGHTLY crop the FF sensor and retain standard Pentax IBIS for all lenses
  2. Use ILIS with lens-sensing FW that automatically turns off IBIS when an ILIS lens is mounted.

[EDIT for clarity:] The above is a sarcastic response.

Outlier - Ricoh used the extra time to completely re-work IBIS, which is the "surprise' briefly mentioned in a recent interview.

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Any chance they introduce a leaf shutter and increased sync speeds?
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Didn't Sigma just quit making the 70-200 OS for Pentax? (It may become as coveted as the rare Sig 100-300 f4 is now. )

I have one and it would be an appropriate stop gap on FF with no SR until I can afford the DA*.

I'm still not convinced I need FF though.
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