HD PENTAX-D FA ★ 70-200mm F2.8 at 5th February?

zeitlos · 03-28-2015, 11:10 PM - **1 Like**

Hoping for more pictures and less frontfocus discussion...

thibs · 03-28-2015, 11:21 PM

Originally posted by stevebrot

Sigma 70-200/2.8 EX DG APO Macro HSM II: 1.37 Kg (chose older version since it lacks OS)

Pentax-D FA * 70-200/2.8: 1.76 Kg

1.76/1.37 = 1.28x (28% heavier...not 200-300%)

Steve

Well, with hood and tripod mount it goes up to 2030g which is the real use case. Dunno about the Sigma though.
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filoxophy · 03-28-2015, 11:31 PM

Thank you kenspo for sharing your experiences with these preproduction and unfamiliar lenses. I appreciate what you add to the forums, and I would not have the same patience you do with forum drama! Kudos.

kenspo · 03-29-2015, 02:06 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by stevebrot

Sigma 70-200/2.8 EX DG APO Macro HSM II: 1.37 Kg (chose older version since it lacks OS)

Pentax-D FA * 70-200/2.8: 1.76 Kg

1.76/1.37 = 1.28x (28% heavier...not 200-300%)

Steve

Hehe..i was trying to say it with a smile..not easy with writing. I know its not that much more heavy..But it feels extremely heavy. And big!

---------- Post added 03-29-15 at 11:07 AM ----------

Originally posted by zeitlos

Hoping for more pictures and less frontfocus discussion...

More pictures will come..even concerts photos

---------- Post added 03-29-15 at 11:08 AM ----------

Originally posted by filoxophy

Thank you kenspo for sharing your experiences with these preproduction and unfamiliar lenses. I appreciate what you add to the forums, and I would not have the same patience you do with forum drama! Kudos.

You can't please everyone..hehe..And as an ambassador, i feel i need to be active in forums, social medias etc..So im here to stay

---------- Post added 03-29-15 at 11:11 AM ----------

Originally posted by jaad75

So now we need to wait for Kenneth to say something about his AF configuration and focusing technique he was using here...

As said earlier. I forgot the SR

i was shaking in the cold..But beside that, i used AF-C, one point focus..and i used the back button to continuous focusing while following the moving subject. I felt testing the AF-speed told me the most yesterday. I can and will do the changes i need to make it sharper. So this was just a first test of many

Last edited by kenspo; 03-29-2015 at 02:12 AM.

goubejp · 03-29-2015, 02:16 AM

More corrections, more glass, more weight...

davidsladek · 03-29-2015, 02:51 AM

just a side note on these pictures and my own experience: wouldn't it be great, if you could tell your camera to ignore or supress certain colours/wavelenght ranges in autofocusing calculation? This would be great in any situation where the subject to be in focus has distinct colours from the back/fore/over/under ground... Footbal and other games would be much safer to shoot. This could be a custom function and could be added to custom mode. Just imagine switching to Footbal mode and being safe that your focus won't end up on the grass behind (this is happening to me more often than I'd like)

kenspo · 03-29-2015, 03:05 AM

Hehe, yes. That would be a nice feature. Football or any action, is really hard to do

davidsladek · 03-29-2015, 03:18 AM

An even better option would be, if you could use the camera as some kind of colour picker, you point to the colour you a) prefer to follow or b) prefer to ignore, snap it (just like you do with colour balance) and the camera will look for it and use in AF calculation as per preference. Is this doable? Any experts to comment?

Nicolas06 · 03-29-2015, 03:20 AM

Originally posted by davidsladek

just a side note on these pictures and my own experience: wouldn't it be great, if you could tell your camera to ignore or supress certain colours/wavelenght ranges in autofocusing calculation? This would be great in any situation where the subject to be in focus has distinct colours from the back/fore/over/under ground... Footbal and other games would be much safer to shoot. This could be a custom function and could be added to custom mode. Just imagine switching to Footbal mode and being safe that your focus won't end up on the grass behind (this is happening to me more often than I'd like)

If you manage to lock on an object with a given color, K3 would track the subject. I tryed it, it works. This was not fast paced, but the camera indeed use color tracking, maybe even shapes. I don't know exactly.

davidsladek · 03-29-2015, 03:27 AM

Originally posted by Nicolas06

If you manage to lock on an object with a given color, K3 would track the subject. I tryed it, it works. This was not fast paced, but the camera indeed use color tracking, maybe even shapes. I don't know exactly.

this is obviously great to know, but is always a solution for one particular movement/tracking. If you had the option to pre-set the colour preference, it would be easier to a) lock on subject and b) jump from subject to subject without the risk that the AF locks on background inbetween, which I think is a very frequent issue

rawr · 03-29-2015, 04:00 AM

Originally posted by davidsladek

This would be great in any situation where the subject to be in focus has distinct colours from the back/fore/over/under ground...

In Nikon terms, that would be similar to their '3D tracking' AF-C mode, which [theoretically] engages the AE metering sensor to record the colours under the active AF point at the time of half-button press. This information is then used to help the AF system track targets better (eg red rugby jersey against green grass).

It seems likely that in the K-3's AF system similar tech is already at work, since the K-3's sophisticated 86K pixel metering sensor seems more than capable of supporting '3D-tracking' or anything equivalent.

Nicolas06 · 03-29-2015, 04:23 AM

To me the K3 AF hardware and metering is on the top of what exist. There very few things to improve like a few more points to have a wider area covered and maybe an f/8 AF sensor for TC support.

Software wise I think they still need some time to improve the algorithms and make work great. I don't know if they would improve the K3 support on it or it will start with the new FF (together maybe with more AF points).

asahi man · 03-29-2015, 07:43 AM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by Nicolas06

From the roadmap, 4 lenses are announced:

An APSC UWA like 12-28mm.
A DFA wide diameter 24-70 f/2.8 or something near to that.
A DFA 28-105 or something like that (to me this is the kit lense)
A DFA UWA

To me the urgency is to the 24-70 AND 28-105 available at the same time as the FF as they will be the zooms one will immediately buy with the camera (one or the other). The 2UWA can wait, in particular on APSC where there already an UWA zoom.

They have then the basics but need to release DFA primes and a few more zooms like a 70-300 f/3.5-5.6 to be equivalent of 55-300 but with FF support and if possible higher quality and a few primes (DFA24, DFA35, DFA50, DFA85, DFA135, DFA200, DFA300)...

The Roadmap is nice,but it´s not complete and the public version.
We can wait for 3 - 5 primes till end of 2016.
Best regards

lytrytyr · 03-29-2015, 08:47 AM

Originally posted by asahi man

The Roadmap is nice,but it´s not complete and the public version.
We can wait for 3 - 5 primes till end of 2016.

That got our attention!

**reytor** · 03-29-2015, 09:06 AM

Hej Kenneth,

When you say super sharp, how it compares to - lets say the DA*55 or the FDA100mm macro?

03-29-2015, 03:27 AM	#460
davidsladek Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Surrey Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 342	AF and colours Originally posted by Nicolas06 If you manage to lock on an object with a given color, K3 would track the subject. I tryed it, it works. This was not fast paced, but the camera indeed use color tracking, maybe even shapes. I don't know exactly. this is obviously great to know, but is always a solution for one particular movement/tracking. If you had the option to pre-set the colour preference, it would be easier to a) lock on subject and b) jump from subject to subject without the risk that the AF locks on background inbetween, which I think is a very frequent issue Last edited by davidsladek; 03-29-2015 at 03:40 AM.

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thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 6,947	Originally posted by stevebrot Sigma 70-200/2.8 EX DG APO Macro HSM II: 1.37 Kg (chose older version since it lacks OS) Pentax-D FA * 70-200/2.8: 1.76 Kg 1.76/1.37 = 1.28x (28% heavier...not 200-300%) Steve Well, with hood and tripod mount it goes up to 2030g which is the real use case. Dunno about the Sigma though. HD PENTAX-D FA?70-200mmF2.8ED DC AW / Telephoto Lenses / K-mount Lenses / Lenses / Products \| RICOH IMAGING

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filoxophy Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Albuquerque Posts: 1,126	Thank you kenspo for sharing your experiences with these preproduction and unfamiliar lenses. I appreciate what you add to the forums, and I would not have the same patience you do with forum drama! Kudos.

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kenspo Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Oslo Posts: 2,207	Originally posted by stevebrot Sigma 70-200/2.8 EX DG APO Macro HSM II: 1.37 Kg (chose older version since it lacks OS) Pentax-D FA * 70-200/2.8: 1.76 Kg 1.76/1.37 = 1.28x (28% heavier...not 200-300%) Steve Hehe..i was trying to say it with a smile..not easy with writing. I know its not that much more heavy..But it feels extremely heavy. And big! ---------- Post added 03-29-15 at 11:07 AM ---------- Originally posted by zeitlos Hoping for more pictures and less frontfocus discussion... More pictures will come..even concerts photos ---------- Post added 03-29-15 at 11:08 AM ---------- Originally posted by filoxophy Thank you kenspo for sharing your experiences with these preproduction and unfamiliar lenses. I appreciate what you add to the forums, and I would not have the same patience you do with forum drama! Kudos. You can't please everyone..hehe..And as an ambassador, i feel i need to be active in forums, social medias etc..So im here to stay ---------- Post added 03-29-15 at 11:11 AM ---------- Originally posted by jaad75 So now we need to wait for Kenneth to say something about his AF configuration and focusing technique he was using here... As said earlier. I forgot the SR i was shaking in the cold..But beside that, i used AF-C, one point focus..and i used the back button to continuous focusing while following the moving subject. I felt testing the AF-speed told me the most yesterday. I can and will do the changes i need to make it sharper. So this was just a first test of many Last edited by kenspo; 03-29-2015 at 02:12 AM.

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goubejp Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: France Photos: Albums Posts: 804	More corrections, more glass, more weight...

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davidsladek Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Surrey Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 342	just a side note on these pictures and my own experience: wouldn't it be great, if you could tell your camera to ignore or supress certain colours/wavelenght ranges in autofocusing calculation? This would be great in any situation where the subject to be in focus has distinct colours from the back/fore/over/under ground... Footbal and other games would be much safer to shoot. This could be a custom function and could be added to custom mode. Just imagine switching to Footbal mode and being safe that your focus won't end up on the grass behind (this is happening to me more often than I'd like)

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kenspo Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Oslo Posts: 2,207	Hehe, yes. That would be a nice feature. Football or any action, is really hard to do

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davidsladek Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Surrey Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 342	An even better option would be, if you could use the camera as some kind of colour picker, you point to the colour you a) prefer to follow or b) prefer to ignore, snap it (just like you do with colour balance) and the camera will look for it and use in AF calculation as per preference. Is this doable? Any experts to comment?

03-29-2015, 03:20 AM	#459
Nicolas06 Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 4,854	Originally posted by davidsladek just a side note on these pictures and my own experience: wouldn't it be great, if you could tell your camera to ignore or supress certain colours/wavelenght ranges in autofocusing calculation? This would be great in any situation where the subject to be in focus has distinct colours from the back/fore/over/under ground... Footbal and other games would be much safer to shoot. This could be a custom function and could be added to custom mode. Just imagine switching to Footbal mode and being safe that your focus won't end up on the grass behind (this is happening to me more often than I'd like) If you manage to lock on an object with a given color, K3 would track the subject. I tryed it, it works. This was not fast paced, but the camera indeed use color tracking, maybe even shapes. I don't know exactly.

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rawr Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,913	Originally posted by davidsladek This would be great in any situation where the subject to be in focus has distinct colours from the back/fore/over/under ground... In Nikon terms, that would be similar to their '3D tracking' AF-C mode, which [theoretically] engages the AE metering sensor to record the colours under the active AF point at the time of half-button press. This information is then used to help the AF system track targets better (eg red rugby jersey against green grass). It seems likely that in the K-3's AF system similar tech is already at work, since the K-3's sophisticated 86K pixel metering sensor seems more than capable of supporting '3D-tracking' or anything equivalent.

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Nicolas06 Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 4,854	To me the K3 AF hardware and metering is on the top of what exist. There very few things to improve like a few more points to have a wider area covered and maybe an f/8 AF sensor for TC support. Software wise I think they still need some time to improve the algorithms and make work great. I don't know if they would improve the K3 support on it or it will start with the new FF (together maybe with more AF points).

03-29-2015, 07:43 AM - 2 Likes	#463
asahi man Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Photos: Albums Posts: 316	Originally posted by Nicolas06 From the roadmap, 4 lenses are announced: An APSC UWA like 12-28mm. A DFA wide diameter 24-70 f/2.8 or something near to that. A DFA 28-105 or something like that (to me this is the kit lense) A DFA UWA To me the urgency is to the 24-70 AND 28-105 available at the same time as the FF as they will be the zooms one will immediately buy with the camera (one or the other). The 2UWA can wait, in particular on APSC where there already an UWA zoom. They have then the basics but need to release DFA primes and a few more zooms like a 70-300 f/3.5-5.6 to be equivalent of 55-300 but with FF support and if possible higher quality and a few primes (DFA24, DFA35, DFA50, DFA85, DFA135, DFA200, DFA300)... The Roadmap is nice,but it´s not complete and the public version. We can wait for 3 - 5 primes till end of 2016. Best regards

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lytrytyr Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2011 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 4,265	Originally posted by asahi man The Roadmap is nice,but it´s not complete and the public version. We can wait for 3 - 5 primes till end of 2016. That got our attention!

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reytor Site Supporter Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Santiago Photos: Gallery Posts: 194	Hej Kenneth, When you say super sharp, how it compares to - lets say the DA*55 or the FDA100mm macro?