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**monochrome** · 04-11-2015, 04:26 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by RonHendriks1966

I'm sorry, but did you missed that Pentax's marketshare outside Japan is like 1 % and currently sales are very marginal? There is not a sole in the cameraworld that has any worry's about what Pentax is Bringing.

A good company doesn't worry so much about today. That die was cast three years ago.

A good company worries about three years from now.

Kunzite · 04-11-2015, 04:29 AM

kenspo:
I believe you

(can't wait to see it happening, though). Hoya selling Pentax to Ricoh was probably the best thing that could happen.
I'm just thinking about the years lost.

kenspo · 04-11-2015, 04:39 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by RonHendriks1966

I'm sorry, but did you missed that Pentax's marketshare outside Japan is like 1 % and currently sales are very marginal? There is not a sole in the cameraworld that has any worry's about what Pentax is Bringing.

This is about to change

They are now targeting world wide.

Cynog Ap Brychan · 04-11-2015, 05:09 AM - **3 Likes**

Pentax's best customers are not the ones that bought their cameras in the past, but those who will buy them in the future (Confusius - well if he didn't say it, he should have).

**Rorschach** · 04-11-2015, 05:31 AM

Originally posted by Cynog Ap Brychan

Pentax's best customers are not the ones that bought their cameras in the past, but those who will buy them in the future (Confusius - well if he didn't say it, he should have).

I get that but it is not entirely true - you're forgetting sales of lenses and other equipment.

jaad75 · 04-11-2015, 05:54 AM

Originally posted by monochrome

The two cameras are targeted at completely different price points and user needs - they really don't overlap very much. As time goes by APSc will be differentiated from FF as much on usage as on price.

I don't think it's going to be much different than it was with the D3 and D300 a couple of years ago. And I don't think that the 7DII and 5DIII markets don't overlap each other at some areas.

totsmuyco · 04-11-2015, 06:34 AM

All these good news makes everybody excited and the waiting to happen more difficult. Most of us would like to move the time forward to see what Pentax would give us. I'm very much interested in what Pentax will introduce on the APS-C line. The K-3 replacement and if possible, the integration of the motor of these new FF lenses into APS-C lenses. Indeed these are exciting times.

Last edited by totsmuyco; 04-11-2015 at 06:40 AM.

Cynog Ap Brychan · 04-11-2015, 07:25 AM

Originally posted by Rorschach

I get that but it is not entirely true - you're forgetting sales of lenses and other equipment.

Sorry, I meant to say "gear" .

Shanti · 04-11-2015, 10:22 AM

Originally posted by normhead

I think the AF system in the K-3 was the first step, in that it out performed every production lens ever made by Pentax. These lenses are made to take advantage of it's capabilities.

from what Pentax service told me yesterday..the lenses motor's SDM, DC never run at full capacity,as they must be backwards compatible with all bodies..so the K3 does not outperform all other lenses,just lets them go a bit faster..
let's hope the FF will give max effect then!!

normhead · 04-11-2015, 10:30 AM

Quote:

so the K3 does not outperform all other lenses,just lets them go a bit faster..

and going a bit faster isn't a performance increase? ... I'm shaking my head here.

The Pentax execs said the new lenses will take advantage of the K-3s new autofocus capabilities abilities none of the other cameras posses, the older lenses by inference, do not. That's the reality.

If you want to see what the new lenses are capable of, you need to try them on a K-3. They may work well on older cameras, but the K-3 has stuff the older cameras don't have. It's a completely new AF system designed to get Pentax close to Nikon and Canon.

Shanti · 04-11-2015, 10:34 AM

Originally posted by kenspo

Of course, a new GR is due to come too..I have no info on when yet, but this year is the plan. The FF will make more then Pentaxians to drop the jaw to the floor

just whisper what it is to me I Norsk...igen vil ved men mig

....................

. Same with the next camera that comes before the FF too (I won't share details yet). But one thing is certain, Ricoh/Pentax is now tapping Nikon and Canon on the shoulder and saying "Heeeeello, here i am..be aware!"

The whole company (Pentax) is loading their guns now..from the floor up to the management at the top. They are ready to rise again and kick som serious ass! So no fear of products at all!

Only real big job left, is rebuild everything around marketing

They do work on that area too...

People need to understand, that Ricoh/Pentax are not playing, they are dead serious! But things are not fixed over the night. It takes time to correct and fix all the errors that have been done over the years. And the damage after Hoya is bigger then people are aware of. If you only knew the details of how close they was to throw in the towel, you would go

But the tide has turned. The other brands will have to look out for and take us VERY serious in the future

The FF will make more then Pentaxians to drop the jaw to the floor

just whisper what it is to me I Norsk...igen vil ved men mig

....................

Stavri · 04-11-2015, 10:38 AM

Originally posted by Shanti

from what Pentax service told me yesterday..the lenses motor's SDM, DC never run at full capacity,as they must be backwards compatible with all bodies..so the K3 does not outperform all other lenses,just lets them go a bit faster..
let's hope the FF will give max effect then!!

It's all about that "AF tracking" you see....we need that feature to perform on the K3, the new D-Fa enable just that. People really buy into that bull, how Nikon's 3D tracking is superior. Have they tried it on a kit lens, or older legacy glass with screw-drive AF, its GARBAGE. They should have put an asterisks on that feature: Nikon 3D Tracking*

*Feature sold separately, an f2.8 premium telephoto lens produced after 2010 is required. It's advised that a budget of $2000 or greater is allocated for the feature to be enabled.

**Rorschach** · 04-11-2015, 10:40 AM

Originally posted by Shanti

The FF will make more then Pentaxians to drop the jaw to the floor

just whisper what it is to me I Norsk...igen vil ved men mig

....................

Watch it! Many Finns understand Swedish quite well so other Nordic languages are not impossible ;-)

(with the exception of icelandish, of course, which is basicly Old Norse)

waterfall · 04-11-2015, 11:43 AM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by RonHendriks1966

I'm sorry, but did you missed that Pentax's marketshare outside Japan is like 1 % and currently sales are very marginal? There is not a sole in the cameraworld that has any worry's about what Pentax is Bringing.

Apple Computer market share was below 5% and the company was losing money when Steve Jobs returned and re-energized Apple. Corporate turn-arounds often hinge on new products as well as on marketing. Apple caught all of the Windows OS manufacturers by surprise with an unending series of evolutionary products, capping all of them with the iPhone. In 2000, any investment broker would have counseled against buying Apple stocks. Now Apple is the most valuable corporation in the world measured by stock value. Ricoh so far has done everything right, in my opinion.

kenspo · 04-11-2015, 11:47 AM

Originally posted by Shanti

The FF will make more then Pentaxians to drop the jaw to the floor

just whisper what it is to me I Norsk...igen vil ved men mig

....................

Originally posted by Rorschach

Watch it! Many Finns understand Swedish quite well so other Nordic languages are not impossible ;-)

(with the exception of icelandish, of course, which is basicly Old Norse)

Hehe..wish i could give more details..not yet, but soon!

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04-11-2015, 04:26 AM - 1 Like	#676
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by RonHendriks1966 I'm sorry, but did you missed that Pentax's marketshare outside Japan is like 1 % and currently sales are very marginal? There is not a sole in the cameraworld that has any worry's about what Pentax is Bringing. A good company doesn't worry so much about today. That die was cast three years ago. A good company worries about three years from now.

04-11-2015, 04:29 AM	#677
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	kenspo: I believe you (can't wait to see it happening, though). Hoya selling Pentax to Ricoh was probably the best thing that could happen. I'm just thinking about the years lost.

04-11-2015, 04:39 AM - 1 Like	#678
kenspo Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Oslo Posts: 2,207	Originally posted by RonHendriks1966 I'm sorry, but did you missed that Pentax's marketshare outside Japan is like 1 % and currently sales are very marginal? There is not a sole in the cameraworld that has any worry's about what Pentax is Bringing. This is about to change They are now targeting world wide.

04-11-2015, 05:09 AM - 3 Likes	#679
Cynog Ap Brychan Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Gloucester Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,199	Pentax's best customers are not the ones that bought their cameras in the past, but those who will buy them in the future (Confusius - well if he didn't say it, he should have).

04-11-2015, 05:31 AM	#680
Rorschach Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Kuusamo, Finland Photos: Gallery Posts: 652	Originally posted by Cynog Ap Brychan Pentax's best customers are not the ones that bought their cameras in the past, but those who will buy them in the future (Confusius - well if he didn't say it, he should have). I get that but it is not entirely true - you're forgetting sales of lenses and other equipment.

04-11-2015, 05:54 AM	#681
jaad75 Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Cracow Posts: 457	Originally posted by monochrome The two cameras are targeted at completely different price points and user needs - they really don't overlap very much. As time goes by APSc will be differentiated from FF as much on usage as on price. I don't think it's going to be much different than it was with the D3 and D300 a couple of years ago. And I don't think that the 7DII and 5DIII markets don't overlap each other at some areas.

04-11-2015, 06:34 AM	#682
totsmuyco Pentaxian Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Iloilo City Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,276	All these good news makes everybody excited and the waiting to happen more difficult. Most of us would like to move the time forward to see what Pentax would give us. I'm very much interested in what Pentax will introduce on the APS-C line. The K-3 replacement and if possible, the integration of the motor of these new FF lenses into APS-C lenses. Indeed these are exciting times. Last edited by totsmuyco; 04-11-2015 at 06:40 AM.

04-11-2015, 07:25 AM	#683
Cynog Ap Brychan Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Gloucester Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,199	Originally posted by Rorschach I get that but it is not entirely true - you're forgetting sales of lenses and other equipment. Sorry, I meant to say "gear" .

04-11-2015, 10:22 AM	#684
Shanti Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Western Denmark Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 927	Originally posted by normhead I think the AF system in the K-3 was the first step, in that it out performed every production lens ever made by Pentax. These lenses are made to take advantage of it's capabilities. from what Pentax service told me yesterday..the lenses motor's SDM, DC never run at full capacity,as they must be backwards compatible with all bodies..so the K3 does not outperform all other lenses,just lets them go a bit faster.. let's hope the FF will give max effect then!!

04-11-2015, 10:30 AM	#685
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,451	Quote: so the K3 does not outperform all other lenses,just lets them go a bit faster.. and going a bit faster isn't a performance increase? ... I'm shaking my head here. The Pentax execs said the new lenses will take advantage of the K-3s new autofocus capabilities abilities none of the other cameras posses, the older lenses by inference, do not. That's the reality. If you want to see what the new lenses are capable of, you need to try them on a K-3. They may work well on older cameras, but the K-3 has stuff the older cameras don't have. It's a completely new AF system designed to get Pentax close to Nikon and Canon.

04-11-2015, 10:34 AM	#686
Shanti Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Western Denmark Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 927	Originally posted by kenspo Of course, a new GR is due to come too..I have no info on when yet, but this year is the plan. The FF will make more then Pentaxians to drop the jaw to the floor just whisper what it is to me I Norsk...igen vil ved men mig .................... . Same with the next camera that comes before the FF too (I won't share details yet). But one thing is certain, Ricoh/Pentax is now tapping Nikon and Canon on the shoulder and saying "Heeeeello, here i am..be aware!" The whole company (Pentax) is loading their guns now..from the floor up to the management at the top. They are ready to rise again and kick som serious ass! So no fear of products at all! Only real big job left, is rebuild everything around marketing They do work on that area too... People need to understand, that Ricoh/Pentax are not playing, they are dead serious! But things are not fixed over the night. It takes time to correct and fix all the errors that have been done over the years. And the damage after Hoya is bigger then people are aware of. If you only knew the details of how close they was to throw in the towel, you would go But the tide has turned. The other brands will have to look out for and take us VERY serious in the future The FF will make more then Pentaxians to drop the jaw to the floor just whisper what it is to me I Norsk...igen vil ved men mig ....................

04-11-2015, 10:38 AM	#687
Stavri Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: at a Bean & Leaf Photos: Albums Posts: 1,832	Originally posted by Shanti from what Pentax service told me yesterday..the lenses motor's SDM, DC never run at full capacity,as they must be backwards compatible with all bodies..so the K3 does not outperform all other lenses,just lets them go a bit faster.. let's hope the FF will give max effect then!! It's all about that "AF tracking" you see....we need that feature to perform on the K3, the new D-Fa enable just that. People really buy into that bull, how Nikon's 3D tracking is superior. Have they tried it on a kit lens, or older legacy glass with screw-drive AF, its GARBAGE. They should have put an asterisks on that feature: Nikon 3D Tracking* *Feature sold separately, an f2.8 premium telephoto lens produced after 2010 is required. It's advised that a budget of $2000 or greater is allocated for the feature to be enabled.

04-11-2015, 10:40 AM	#688
Rorschach Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Kuusamo, Finland Photos: Gallery Posts: 652	Originally posted by Shanti The FF will make more then Pentaxians to drop the jaw to the floor just whisper what it is to me I Norsk...igen vil ved men mig .................... Watch it! Many Finns understand Swedish quite well so other Nordic languages are not impossible ;-) (with the exception of icelandish, of course, which is basicly Old Norse)

04-11-2015, 11:43 AM - 2 Likes	#689
waterfall Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Northern Minnesota Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,812	Originally posted by RonHendriks1966 I'm sorry, but did you missed that Pentax's marketshare outside Japan is like 1 % and currently sales are very marginal? There is not a sole in the cameraworld that has any worry's about what Pentax is Bringing. Apple Computer market share was below 5% and the company was losing money when Steve Jobs returned and re-energized Apple. Corporate turn-arounds often hinge on new products as well as on marketing. Apple caught all of the Windows OS manufacturers by surprise with an unending series of evolutionary products, capping all of them with the iPhone. In 2000, any investment broker would have counseled against buying Apple stocks. Now Apple is the most valuable corporation in the world measured by stock value. Ricoh so far has done everything right, in my opinion.

04-11-2015, 11:47 AM	#690
kenspo Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Oslo Posts: 2,207	Originally posted by Shanti The FF will make more then Pentaxians to drop the jaw to the floor just whisper what it is to me I Norsk...igen vil ved men mig .................... Originally posted by Rorschach Watch it! Many Finns understand Swedish quite well so other Nordic languages are not impossible ;-) (with the exception of icelandish, of course, which is basicly Old Norse) Hehe..wish i could give more details..not yet, but soon!