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**Stavri** · 03-11-2015, 06:52 AM

Originally posted by Kunzite

Pentax told us the FF is coming since December 2012.

If they had released the FF in 2012 It would have cost upwards of $4000

Kunzite · 03-11-2015, 08:54 AM

Who said anything about releasing the FF in 2012?
Pentax/Ricoh started working on the FF since 2012, and in December 2012 they told us they're working on it. In interviews - nothing like the CP+ announcement.

rburgoss · 03-11-2015, 09:38 AM

Originally posted by normhead

Everyone has their own personal timeline and priorities, nothing wrong with that. The thing is, with the 70-200 patent coming out in 2012, Pentax could have let us know a lot earlier the were designing better , faster focusing lenses. The people watching the patents told us the FF was coming more than a year before Pentax did. But even if they had, if there's something you have to do now, , knowing a company is going to release something next year doesn't help.

That doesn't work that way, and in fact, in some countries can be considered breaking laws and regulations related to trade and commerce. Let me explain:

If a company issues some news about new products being developed, this information can (and will) affect the perceived (speculative) market value of this company's shares. Shareholders take decisions considering this information. OTOH, if the company issues news about discontinuing such and such product, then the perceived value drops...

Filing for a patent DOES NOT MEAN the company is going to release a new product. It just means they want to protect an invention (device) from being used by others (competition), even if they never use it. Sometimes the idea behind a patent is just to be able to "charge" another company for the right to use such device. In this case, the term is "royalties".

normhead · 03-11-2015, 09:50 AM

That's why you never use a single source of information, we also had endless hints from Pentax execs without them coming right out and saying so. And that information about Patents was discussed when the patents were discovered. However some of us were able to take all the available information and come to the conclusion a Full Frame was coming, to the endless ridicule of posters like yourself, who claimed as you claim now , it didn't mean what we thought it did. Turns out we were right, and the negative warnings were just that. Cautious people being nervous nellies.

Quote:

Pentax/Ricoh started working on the FF since 2012, and in December 2012 they told us they're working on it.

You know as well as I do that 1/2 of the posters that commented in those threads on this site ridiculed us for believing them.

**monochrome** · 03-11-2015, 10:21 AM

Originally posted by normhead

You know as well as I do that 1/2 of the posters that commented in those threads on this site ridiculed us for believing them.

Some of us have been openly optimistic for years - and openly dismissed for it.

rangercarp · 03-11-2015, 10:50 AM

Originally posted by monochrome

Some of us have been openly optimistic for years - and openly dismissed for it.

Yet appreciated for it by many as well!

**jpzk** · 03-11-2015, 11:36 AM

Originally posted by Stavri

First time I see it myself, good stuff Angus. The 150-450 @ 150 is definitely prime quality superb. I was impressed with the TC combo of 630mm f8 at the long end, very nice IQ considering it was an overcast day. It looks like an exciting lens for sure

I am trying to locate this (those) specific picture(s), in that photostream, you are talking about ... care to point it (them) to me?

Thanks!!

Last edited by jpzk; 03-11-2015 at 11:42 AM.

Zygonyx · 03-11-2015, 01:28 PM

HD PENTAX-D FA 150-450mm FEB 2015 / JP: HD PENTAX-D FA 150-450mmF4.5-5.6ED DC AW

timautin · 03-11-2015, 01:42 PM - **1 Like**

I'm trying to compile the pictures of the new lenses on their dedicated posts :
150-450
70-200

rawr · 03-11-2015, 02:00 PM

Originally posted by timautin

I'm trying to compile the pictures of the new lenses on their dedicated posts :

Thanks. The information about those lenses is all over the place at the moment.

Enrique S Toso · 03-11-2015, 02:07 PM

I bet they already make this question....but....would Pentax full frame have ibis for FA or 3rd party lenses??? I ask this because the 88mm size of this lenses. Maybe this monster diameter is because the sensor needs to move.

Kunzite · 03-11-2015, 03:05 PM

Originally posted by normhead

You know as well as I do that 1/2 of the posters that commented in those threads on this site ridiculed us for believing them.

"Ridiculed"? Did they stop? After all, Ricoh can't even show a real product

thibs · 03-11-2015, 11:08 PM

Originally posted by Enrique S Toso

I bet they already make this question....but....would Pentax full frame have ibis for FA or 3rd party lenses??? I ask this because the 88mm size of this lenses. Maybe this monster diameter is because the sensor needs to move.

I'm sure it will but some lenses may be problematic, case by case basis.

**jpzk** · 03-12-2015, 06:27 AM

Originally posted by timautin

I'm trying to compile the pictures of the new lenses on their dedicated posts :
150-450
70-200

Excellent !!

Great thanks to you for posting the images in one single thread. That makes it so much easier to navigate and find samples.

It also means .... LBA !!!

JP

gazonk · 03-12-2015, 07:01 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by jpzk

It also means .... LBA !!!

I'm not really looking for long and heavy teles (I prefer a light camera bag with limiteds in them), and my gear buying budget is zero for the next few months, but still I get this Gollum-ish feeling when I see those sample photos

Anyway, even though I will probably never buy it, I'm really happy that Pentax has released such a serious lens ahead of the FF camera release.
Good times are coming!

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03-11-2015, 06:52 AM	#511
Stavri Site Supporter Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: at a Bean & Leaf Photos: Albums Posts: 1,832	Originally posted by Kunzite Pentax told us the FF is coming since December 2012. If they had released the FF in 2012 It would have cost upwards of $4000

03-11-2015, 08:54 AM	#512
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,131	Who said anything about releasing the FF in 2012? *Pentax/Ricoh started working on the FF since 2012, and in December 2012 they told us they're working on it.* In interviews - nothing like the CP+ announcement.

03-11-2015, 09:38 AM	#513
rburgoss Veteran Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: San Jose, Costa Rica Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 972	Originally posted by normhead Everyone has their own personal timeline and priorities, nothing wrong with that. The thing is, with the 70-200 patent coming out in 2012, Pentax could have let us know a lot earlier the were designing better , faster focusing lenses. The people watching the patents told us the FF was coming more than a year before Pentax did. But even if they had, if there's something you have to do now, , knowing a company is going to release something next year doesn't help. That doesn't work that way, and in fact, in some countries can be considered breaking laws and regulations related to trade and commerce. Let me explain: If a company issues some news about new products being developed, this information can (and will) affect the perceived (speculative) market value of this company's shares. Shareholders take decisions considering this information. OTOH, if the company issues news about discontinuing such and such product, then the perceived value drops... Filing for a patent DOES NOT MEAN the company is going to release a new product. It just means they want to protect an invention (device) from being used by others (competition), even if they never use it. Sometimes the idea behind a patent is just to be able to "charge" another company for the right to use such device. In this case, the term is "royalties".

03-11-2015, 09:50 AM	#514
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,434	That's why you never use a single source of information, we also had endless hints from Pentax execs without them coming right out and saying so. And that information about Patents was discussed when the patents were discovered. However some of us were able to take all the available information and come to the conclusion a Full Frame was coming, to the endless ridicule of posters like yourself, who claimed as you claim now , it didn't mean what we thought it did. Turns out we were right, and the negative warnings were just that. Cautious people being nervous nellies. Quote: Pentax/Ricoh started working on the FF since 2012, and in December 2012 they told us they're working on it. You know as well as I do that 1/2 of the posters that commented in those threads on this site ridiculed us for believing them.

03-11-2015, 10:21 AM	#515
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by normhead You know as well as I do that 1/2 of the posters that commented in those threads on this site ridiculed us for believing them. Some of us have been openly optimistic for years - and openly dismissed for it.

03-11-2015, 10:50 AM	#516
rangercarp Pentaxian Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Southern Michigan Posts: 437	Originally posted by monochrome Some of us have been openly optimistic for years - and openly dismissed for it. Yet appreciated for it by many as well!

03-11-2015, 11:36 AM	#517
jpzk Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Québec Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,251	Originally posted by Stavri First time I see it myself, good stuff Angus. The 150-450 @ 150 is definitely prime quality superb. I was impressed with the TC combo of 630mm f8 at the long end, very nice IQ considering it was an overcast day. It looks like an exciting lens for sure I am trying to locate this (those) specific picture(s), in that photostream, you are talking about ... care to point it (them) to me? Thanks!! Last edited by jpzk; 03-11-2015 at 11:42 AM.

03-11-2015, 01:28 PM	#518
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03-11-2015, 02:07 PM	#521
Enrique S Toso Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Mendoza - Argentina Posts: 141	I bet they already make this question....but....would Pentax full frame have ibis for FA or 3rd party lenses??? I ask this because the 88mm size of this lenses. Maybe this monster diameter is because the sensor needs to move.

03-11-2015, 03:05 PM	#522
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,131	Originally posted by normhead You know as well as I do that 1/2 of the posters that commented in those threads on this site ridiculed us for believing them. "Ridiculed"? Did they stop? After all, Ricoh can't even show a real product

03-11-2015, 11:08 PM	#523
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,000	Originally posted by Enrique S Toso I bet they already make this question....but....would Pentax full frame have ibis for FA or 3rd party lenses??? I ask this because the 88mm size of this lenses. Maybe this monster diameter is because the sensor needs to move. I'm sure it will but some lenses may be problematic, case by case basis.

03-12-2015, 06:27 AM	#524
jpzk Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Québec Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,251	Originally posted by timautin I'm trying to compile the pictures of the new lenses on their dedicated posts : 150-450 70-200 Excellent !! Great thanks to you for posting the images in one single thread. That makes it so much easier to navigate and find samples. It also means .... LBA !!! JP

03-12-2015, 07:01 AM - 1 Like	#525
gazonk Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Oslo area, Norway Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,746	Originally posted by jpzk It also means .... LBA !!! I'm not really looking for long and heavy teles (I prefer a light camera bag with limiteds in them), and my gear buying budget is zero for the next few months, but still I get this Gollum-ish feeling when I see those sample photos Anyway, even though I will probably never buy it, I'm really happy that Pentax has released such a serious lens ahead of the FF camera release. Good times are coming!

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